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My question is:If we change the "little" to "few" in answer choice C,will it be considered correct?
I think that option C will stand as correct then cause either the author or the fed reserve can say that the policy makers remain silent.So we don't need to follow the parallelism X said that...and that ....


In that case you would have a comma before "and" - for joining two independent clauses, comma + conjunction is required.
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The Federal Reserve announcement said that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few signs of higher energy prices driving up the cost of other goods so far.

A. that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few
Correct sentence.

B. growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few

Goes out because and is the parallel marker, and Y = that the policy makers… and X = “growth had accelerated…” has no parallel with Y
X = Independent clause (IC) and Y = Dependent Clause (DC)

C. that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few

Goes out because and is the parallel marker, and Y = the policy makers… and X = “that growth had accelerated…” has no parallel with X
X = Dependent Clause (DC) and Y = Independent clause (IC)

D. growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few
The sentence uses a reporting verb “said” the reporting verb are always followed by “that”.
Hence D goes out.

E. that growth accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few
Wrong form of “accelerate” used i.e. “accelerated” the past participle for is to be used with past perfect i.e. [had+ED/EN]. Here this use is awkward.
So there is no working verb in the first half of the sentence. Hence it is a phrase.
Phrase and [parallel marker] Clause.
Hence E goes out.
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The Federal Reserve announcement said that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few signs of higher energy prices driving up the cost of other goods so far.


A. that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few

B. growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few

C. that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are little

D. growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are little

E. that growth accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few


My concern is option E. Is "accelerated" working as a Verb-ED modifier or it is a VERB here. Most of the times such verbs must be preceded by helping verbs. I am not clear about this rule. If "accelerated" is a modifier then can we consider the sentence as a phrase, and if "accelerated" is a verb then then sentence is a clause. Please see the highlighted portion.

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My concern is option E. Is "accelerated" working as a Verb-ED modifier or it is a VERB here. Most of the times such verbs must be preceded by helping verbs. I am not clear about this rule. If "accelerated" is a modifier then can we consider the sentence as a phrase, and if "accelerated" is a verb then then sentence is a clause. Please see the highlighted portion.

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Accelerated is a verb in the following construction:

The Federal Reserve announcement said that growth accelerated...

You can actually see two subject-verb pairs here: (a) announcement and said and (b) growth and accelerated. Accelerated is in the simple past tense (active), which is why you don't see any helping verbs.

1. Growth had accelerated...
Past perfect, and therefore there is a helping had here.

2. The process of climate change is accelerated by...
Passive voice, and therefore there is a helping is here.

3. A process accelerated by human activity is known as...
Here accelerated is a modifier.

The sentence you are looking at has multiple subject-verb pairs. If we focus on the portion before the even though, we see this "sentence":

The Federal Reserve announcement said that that growth accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation.
The main clause is formed by announcement and said, and then we see two dependent clauses introduced by that, with the following subject-verb pairs: (a) growth + accelerated and (b) makers + remain.

The dependent clauses introduced by that can be replaced by X and Y, so we get
The Federal Reserve announcement said X and Y.
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My concern is option E. Is "accelerated" working as a Verb-ED modifier or it is a VERB here. Most of the times such verbs must be preceded by helping verbs. I am not clear about this rule. If "accelerated" is a modifier then can we consider the sentence as a phrase, and if "accelerated" is a verb then then sentence is a clause. Please see the highlighted portion.

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Accelerated is a verb in the following construction:

The Federal Reserve announcement said that growth accelerated...

You can actually see two subject-verb pairs here: (a) announcement and said and (b) growth and accelerated. Accelerated is in the simple past tense (active), which is why you don't see any helping verbs.

1. Growth had accelerated...
Past perfect, and therefore there is a helping had here.

2. The process of climate change is accelerated by...
Passive voice, and therefore there is a helping is here.

3. A process accelerated by human activity is known as...
Here accelerated is a modifier.

The sentence you are looking at has multiple subject-verb pairs. If we focus on the portion before the even though, we see this "sentence":

The Federal Reserve announcement said that that growth accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation.
The main clause is formed by announcement and said, and then we see two dependent clauses introduced by that, with the following subject-verb pairs: (a) growth + accelerated and (b) makers + remain.

The dependent clauses introduced by that can be replaced by X and Y, so we get
The Federal Reserve announcement said X and Y.


Thanks a lot AjiteshArun. Now it is clear. :)
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E. that growth accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few

My concern is option E. Is "accelerated" working as a Verb-ED modifier or it is a VERB here. Most of the times such verbs must be preceded by helping verbs. I am not clear about this rule. If "accelerated" is a modifier then can we consider the sentence as a phrase, and if "accelerated" is a verb then then sentence is a clause. Please see the highlighted portion.

Please help. Hope the query is clear.

In (E) "accelerated" is the main verb of the noun clause "that growth accelerated ..."

If "accelerated" were a modifier, then what follows "accelerated" would be a phrase, and the sentence would be quite flawed. That "accelerated" is not a modifier is made clear by the context in which it appears.

In some cases, "accelerated" has to be preceded by a helping verb, such as "had" in order for a sentence to make sense. In other cases, using a construction such as "growth accelerated," which does not include a helping verb, would be better. Which to use depends on the context and the meaning to be conveyed.

In this case, the use of the helping verb "had" is necessary, as, in order for the sentence to clearly indicate the sequence of events, we need the past perfect form of "to accelerate," which is "had accelerated."

To more clearly understand when "had" must be used, you could learn about the past perfect tense.
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E. that growth accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few

My concern is option E. Is "accelerated" working as a Verb-ED modifier or it is a VERB here. Most of the times such verbs must be preceded by helping verbs. I am not clear about this rule. If "accelerated" is a modifier then can we consider the sentence as a phrase, and if "accelerated" is a verb then then sentence is a clause. Please see the highlighted portion.

Please help. Hope the query is clear.

In (E) "accelerated" is the main verb of the noun clause "that growth accelerated ..."

If "accelerated" were a modifier, then what follows "accelerated" would be a phrase, and the sentence would be quite flawed. That "accelerated" is not a modifier is made clear by the context in which it appears.

In some cases, "accelerated" has to be preceded by a helping verb, such as "had" in order for a sentence to make sense. In other cases, using a construction such as "growth accelerated," which does not include a helping verb, would be better. Which to use depends on the context and the meaning to be conveyed.

In this case, the use of the helping verb "had" is necessary, as, in order for the sentence to clearly indicate the sequence of events, we need the past perfect form of "to accelerate," which is "had accelerated."

To more clearly understand when "had" must be used, you could learn about the past perfect tense.


Thanks Marty. This post helps a lot.
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we have no reason to defy simple past. why do we need present perfect?
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There’s no way you reproduced the sentence correctly. “That the policy makers” and “prospects of inflation” are wrong. Should be “that policy makers” and “prospects for” or “prospect of.”

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The Federal Reserve announcement said that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few signs of higher energy prices driving up the cost of other goods so far.


A. that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few

B. growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few

C. that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are little

D. growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are little

E. that growth accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few



A. that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few - Correct

B. growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few - Wrong: Missing "that"

C. that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are little - Wrong: Need "few" instead of "little"

D. growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are little - Wrong: 1) Missing "that" 2) Need "few" instead of "little"

E. that growth accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few - Wrong: Need "had" to show the order of events
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I decided to attempt this question as per egmat 's verb sequencing module, but got the answer incorrect.

According to the module, events in the past should be related.
The 2 events here are :
1) that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and
2) that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation

How are these events related to each other?

I thought the 2 related events were :
1) growth had accelerated
2) after slowing in second quarter.

Therefore, had did not make sense... because 1st growth slowed in 2nd quarter and then growth accelerated. Therefore, usage of had is incorrect.

It would be great if somebody could clear this confusion!
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The Federal Reserve announcement said that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few signs of higher energy prices driving up the cost of other goods so far.

Meaning Analysis:
1. As growth accelerated b4 FR announced, hence we need past perfect 'had accelerated'
2. FR announcement said two things - about growth & about policy makers. So, they need to be parallel. Hence we need 'that' b4 both for parallelism
3. 'there are few signs' - as signs are countable, so 'few' and not little
4.

A. that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few - Correct

B. growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few - 2. So Incorrect

C. that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are little - 2,3. So Incorrect

D. growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are little - 2,3. So Incorrect

E. that growth accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few - 1. So incorrect.

Hence A
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The Federal Reserve announcement said that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few signs of higher energy prices driving up the cost of other goods so far.

Meaning Analysis:
1. As growth accelerated b4 FR announced, hence we need past perfect 'had accelerated'
2. FR announcement said two things - about growth & about policy makers. So, they need to be parallel. Hence we need 'that' b4 both for parallelism
3. 'there are few signs' - as signs are countable, so 'few' and not little
4.

A. that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few - Correct

B. growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few - 2. So Incorrect

C. that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are little - 2,3. So Incorrect

D. growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are little - 2,3. So Incorrect

E. that growth accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few - 1. So incorrect.

Hence A


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I decided to attempt this question as per egmat 's verb sequencing module, but got the answer incorrect.

According to the module, events in the past should be related.
The 2 events here are :
1) that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and
2) that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation

How are these events related to each other?

I thought the 2 related events were :
1) growth had accelerated
2) after slowing in second quarter.

Therefore, had did not make sense... because 1st growth slowed in 2nd quarter and then growth accelerated. Therefore, usage of had is incorrect.

It would be great if somebody could clear this confusion!
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Hi Vishnu,

I am happy to resolve your query.

Please understand that the two related events in this case are
1. Announcement abt the growth
&
2. The growth

Since the announcement happened after the growth had accelerated, That's why past perfect.

Hope this resolves your query.

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The Federal Reserve announcement said that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few signs of higher energy prices driving up the cost of other goods so far.


A. that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few

B. growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few

B reads that the federal reserve said X and THAT . Grammatically we must have "that" in the X element to logically communicate that 2 things were stated by the reserve. Thus, B breaks parallelism - we use "that" to indicate the relative clause in the first parallel element

We can get rid of C and D for fairly easy reasons: little (describes size) versus few (describes number) - because we are referring to signs i.e. the number of signs, we need few
C. that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are little
D. growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are little


E. that growth accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few

The Fed reserve is quoted indirectly, so we need to use "had" to establish the logical sequence of tenses. People get caught out by the "after slowing".
Events: The growth accelerated...then the announcement was made--> The growth had accelerated then an announcement was made.
For this reason, E is incorrect. It also helps immensely to realise that the correct sequence of tenses always needs to be established in Indirect speech.
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Still a bit confused about the use of past perfect here. usually when two actions occur in the past we use past perfect to describe the first event. In this case 'growth accelerated after slowing' implying that the first action is the slowing and the second action is the acceleration.

Not sure where I'm wrong
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when two actions occur in the past we use past perfect to describe the first event.

Correct. These two actions are:
(i) The Federal Reserve announcement
(ii) Growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter

Since (ii) obviously happened first, it is expressed as past perfect (had accelerated)
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Hello

I am new to GMAT and studying SC from Manhattan Prep SC guide. On the page 217 in Chapter 11 (GM/S-V/Parallelism: Extra) the book reads
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The main exception to this pattern seems to be the verb say. Somewhat oddly, the GMAT does not
require you to put that after the verb say.
Right: The water was so cold that people SAID polar bears would shiver.
The GMAT does not explain why this omission is acceptable, but the reason is probably that there is
very little chance of confusion:

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Please help me understand this paradox, Any help will be much appreciated.

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Dear Expert,

I'd like to get some clarifications with this question. Yes, it's about the past perfect tense again.

1. How can we be certain that the action of acceleration happens before the announcement? Couldn't it happen at the same time?

2. If the answer to the above question is that something has to happen before you say it happens, then what about examples of sentences we say all the time, "He knew he was right" "He said he saw the car coming in" etc. Shouldn't they be "He knew he had been right" and "He said he had seen the car coming in" etc.?

3. From a few creditable resources (Manhattan and Magoosh), we've acknowledged that we wouldn't have to use past perfect if that tense is understood from the context. If by using "said" to describe an action, we should immediately know that that action must have happened before saying. That means the past perfect tense is understood. Then wouldn't "had accelerated" be redundant?

4. If reported speech in the past requires past perfect tense for the thing described, then is it the general rule that there's not EVER any question that uses perfect tense in both, and something like "The authority said that the economy slowed down" or "The officials reported that people liked the recent data" would always be wrong?

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I am new to GMAT and studying SC from Manhattan Prep SC guide. On the page 217 in Chapter 11 (GM/S-V/Parallelism: Extra) the book reads
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The main exception to this pattern seems to be the verb say. Somewhat oddly, the GMAT does not
require you to put that after the verb say.
Right: The water was so cold that people SAID polar bears would shiver.
The GMAT does not explain why this omission is acceptable, but the reason is probably that there is
very little chance of confusion:

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Please help me understand this paradox, Any help will be much appreciated.

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As the Manhattan guide notes, the question of whether it's preferable to use "that" really comes down to whether the meaning is clear without it. There's no hard rule here. Consider the following example:

    "Tim recommends that you try his two-month-old sushi, unless you're worried about intestinal parasites and vomiting."

Here, you'd probably want to use "that." Not because it's required, but because without "that," the sentence becomes slightly more confusing.

    "Tim recommends you try his two-month old sushi, unless you're worried about intestinal parasites and vomiting."

Is this a definitive grammatical error? No. But because Tim could also recommend "you" for something, you might have to read this sentence more than once to figure out that Tim isn't recommending a person, the way you might recommend someone for a job; he's recommending that the person do something. The word "that" clarifies the meaning in the first example, so it's better, even if the second example isn't technically wrong.

When it comes to "said" there's less ambiguity. For example:

    "Tim said you should avoid eating rotten food in general, and if you don't, it's not really his problem."

Here, even without "that" no reasonable reader would interpret this sentence to mean that Tim said the word "you." The reason, of course, is that when we're trying to capture an exact quote, we use, well, quotes. So again, this is not officially a rule, but because this scenario lacks the same kind of confusion that we see in the examples with "recommend," the GMAT accepts it.

I hope that helps!
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