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The Federal Reserve announcement said that growth had accelerated after slowing in the
second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation,
even though there are few
signs of higher energy prices driving up the cost of other goods so


The answer choice is A, But im not clear with 2 things.

1) Usage of Had..
as per my understanding the growth accelerated after the after slowing. (meaning that growth is not the first action)

2) Parallelism: Are had accelerated & remain concerned parallel.
i mean shouldn't they be had accelerated & remained concerned
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The Federal Reserve announcement said that growth had accelerated after slowing in the
second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation,
even though there are few
signs of higher energy prices driving up the cost of other goods so


The answer choice is A, But im not clear with 2 things.

1) Usage of Had..
as per my understanding the growth accelerated after the after slowing. (meaning that growth is not the first action)

2) Parallelism: Are had accelerated & remain concerned parallel.
i mean shouldn't they be had accelerated & remained concerned


Here's my reasoning:
1) The accelerated already occurred before the Federal Reserve announcement, so that's why you use "had accelerated." I'm not sure you compare the time frame to the slowing.

2) Policy makers continue to be concerned (it's present tense because they are still concerned) so you can't have "had remained"
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"That" is required ==> only A, C, E remain.
Because the Fed said that <== past tense. Thus, the past perfect tense - "had accelerated" - is correct

The Federal Reserve announcement said that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few signs of higher energy prices driving up the cost of other goods so far.


that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few
Correct.

• growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few
Wrong. Parallelism problem.

• that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are little
Wrong. Parallelism problem.

• growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are little
Wrong. Need "that".

• that growth accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few
Wrong. Tense problem.

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A. that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few

B. growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few
->Missing that in the beginning which is required to maintain parallalism with second that(highlighted)

C. that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are little
->I would not consider "signs" as uncountable noun and hence would reject "little"

D. growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are little
->I would not consider "signs" as uncountable noun and hence would reject "little"

E. that growth accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few
->"had" is required as "said" indicates one instance in past and any situation before that should be referred with a "had"
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The Federal Reserve announcement said that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few signs of higher energy prices driving up the cost of other goods so far.

A. that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few

B. growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few

C. that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are little

D. growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are little

E. that growth accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few


ans A..
that is required with announcement so b and d out..
signs shuold have few and not little, so c also out..
the growth is being talked over two periods so 'had' is required.. e is also out..
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My question is:If we change the "little" to "few" in answer choice C,will it be considered correct?
I think that option C will stand as correct then cause either the author or the fed reserve can say that the policy makers remain silent.So we don't need to follow the parallelism X said that...and that ....
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My question is:If we change the "little" to "few" in answer choice C,will it be considered correct?
I think that option C will stand as correct then cause either the author or the fed reserve can say that the policy makers remain silent.So we don't need to follow the parallelism X said that...and that ....


In that case you would have a comma before "and" - for joining two independent clauses, comma + conjunction is required.
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The Federal Reserve announcement said that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few signs of higher energy prices driving up the cost of other goods so far.


A. that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few

B. growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few

C. that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are little

D. growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are little

E. that growth accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few


My concern is option E. Is "accelerated" working as a Verb-ED modifier or it is a VERB here. Most of the times such verbs must be preceded by helping verbs. I am not clear about this rule. If "accelerated" is a modifier then can we consider the sentence as a phrase, and if "accelerated" is a verb then then sentence is a clause. Please see the highlighted portion.

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My concern is option E. Is "accelerated" working as a Verb-ED modifier or it is a VERB here. Most of the times such verbs must be preceded by helping verbs. I am not clear about this rule. If "accelerated" is a modifier then can we consider the sentence as a phrase, and if "accelerated" is a verb then then sentence is a clause. Please see the highlighted portion.

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Accelerated is a verb in the following construction:

The Federal Reserve announcement said that growth accelerated...

You can actually see two subject-verb pairs here: (a) announcement and said and (b) growth and accelerated. Accelerated is in the simple past tense (active), which is why you don't see any helping verbs.

1. Growth had accelerated...
Past perfect, and therefore there is a helping had here.

2. The process of climate change is accelerated by...
Passive voice, and therefore there is a helping is here.

3. A process accelerated by human activity is known as...
Here accelerated is a modifier.

The sentence you are looking at has multiple subject-verb pairs. If we focus on the portion before the even though, we see this "sentence":

The Federal Reserve announcement said that that growth accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation.
The main clause is formed by announcement and said, and then we see two dependent clauses introduced by that, with the following subject-verb pairs: (a) growth + accelerated and (b) makers + remain.

The dependent clauses introduced by that can be replaced by X and Y, so we get
The Federal Reserve announcement said X and Y.
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E. that growth accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few

My concern is option E. Is "accelerated" working as a Verb-ED modifier or it is a VERB here. Most of the times such verbs must be preceded by helping verbs. I am not clear about this rule. If "accelerated" is a modifier then can we consider the sentence as a phrase, and if "accelerated" is a verb then then sentence is a clause. Please see the highlighted portion.

Please help. Hope the query is clear.

In (E) "accelerated" is the main verb of the noun clause "that growth accelerated ..."

If "accelerated" were a modifier, then what follows "accelerated" would be a phrase, and the sentence would be quite flawed. That "accelerated" is not a modifier is made clear by the context in which it appears.

In some cases, "accelerated" has to be preceded by a helping verb, such as "had" in order for a sentence to make sense. In other cases, using a construction such as "growth accelerated," which does not include a helping verb, would be better. Which to use depends on the context and the meaning to be conveyed.

In this case, the use of the helping verb "had" is necessary, as, in order for the sentence to clearly indicate the sequence of events, we need the past perfect form of "to accelerate," which is "had accelerated."

To more clearly understand when "had" must be used, you could learn about the past perfect tense.
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Still a bit confused about the use of past perfect here. usually when two actions occur in the past we use past perfect to describe the first event. In this case 'growth accelerated after slowing' implying that the first action is the slowing and the second action is the acceleration.

Not sure where I'm wrong
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when two actions occur in the past we use past perfect to describe the first event.

Correct. These two actions are:
(i) The Federal Reserve announcement
(ii) Growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter

Since (ii) obviously happened first, it is expressed as past perfect (had accelerated)

Originally posted by EducationAisle on 29 Aug 2019, 07:36.
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I am new to GMAT and studying SC from Manhattan Prep SC guide. On the page 217 in Chapter 11 (GM/S-V/Parallelism: Extra) the book reads
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The main exception to this pattern seems to be the verb say. Somewhat oddly, the GMAT does not
require you to put that after the verb say.
Right: The water was so cold that people SAID polar bears would shiver.
The GMAT does not explain why this omission is acceptable, but the reason is probably that there is
very little chance of confusion:

Unquote

Please help me understand this paradox, Any help will be much appreciated.

Thanks
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Dear Expert,

I'd like to get some clarifications with this question. Yes, it's about the past perfect tense again.

1. How can we be certain that the action of acceleration happens before the announcement? Couldn't it happen at the same time?

2. If the answer to the above question is that something has to happen before you say it happens, then what about examples of sentences we say all the time, "He knew he was right" "He said he saw the car coming in" etc. Shouldn't they be "He knew he had been right" and "He said he had seen the car coming in" etc.?

3. From a few creditable resources (Manhattan and Magoosh), we've acknowledged that we wouldn't have to use past perfect if that tense is understood from the context. If by using "said" to describe an action, we should immediately know that that action must have happened before saying. That means the past perfect tense is understood. Then wouldn't "had accelerated" be redundant?

4. If reported speech in the past requires past perfect tense for the thing described, then is it the general rule that there's not EVER any question that uses perfect tense in both, and something like "The authority said that the economy slowed down" or "The officials reported that people liked the recent data" would always be wrong?

Thank you!
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Hello

I am new to GMAT and studying SC from Manhattan Prep SC guide. On the page 217 in Chapter 11 (GM/S-V/Parallelism: Extra) the book reads
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The main exception to this pattern seems to be the verb say. Somewhat oddly, the GMAT does not
require you to put that after the verb say.
Right: The water was so cold that people SAID polar bears would shiver.
The GMAT does not explain why this omission is acceptable, but the reason is probably that there is
very little chance of confusion:

Unquote

Please help me understand this paradox, Any help will be much appreciated.

Thanks

As the Manhattan guide notes, the question of whether it's preferable to use "that" really comes down to whether the meaning is clear without it. There's no hard rule here. Consider the following example:

    "Tim recommends that you try his two-month-old sushi, unless you're worried about intestinal parasites and vomiting."

Here, you'd probably want to use "that." Not because it's required, but because without "that," the sentence becomes slightly more confusing.

    "Tim recommends you try his two-month old sushi, unless you're worried about intestinal parasites and vomiting."

Is this a definitive grammatical error? No. But because Tim could also recommend "you" for something, you might have to read this sentence more than once to figure out that Tim isn't recommending a person, the way you might recommend someone for a job; he's recommending that the person do something. The word "that" clarifies the meaning in the first example, so it's better, even if the second example isn't technically wrong.

When it comes to "said" there's less ambiguity. For example:

    "Tim said you should avoid eating rotten food in general, and if you don't, it's not really his problem."

Here, even without "that" no reasonable reader would interpret this sentence to mean that Tim said the word "you." The reason, of course, is that when we're trying to capture an exact quote, we use, well, quotes. So again, this is not officially a rule, but because this scenario lacks the same kind of confusion that we see in the examples with "recommend," the GMAT accepts it.

I hope that helps!
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I'd like to get some clarifications with this question. Yes, it's about the past perfect tense again.

1. How can we be certain that the action of acceleration happens before the announcement? Couldn't it happen at the same time?

2. If the answer to the above question is that something has to happen before you say it happens, then what about examples of sentences we say all the time, "He knew he was right" "He said he saw the car coming in" etc. Shouldn't they be "He knew he had been right" and "He said he had seen the car coming in" etc.?

3. From a few creditable resources (Manhattan and Magoosh), we've acknowledged that we wouldn't have to use past perfect if that tense is understood from the context. If by using "said" to describe an action, we should immediately know that that action must have happened before saying. That means the past perfect tense is understood. Then wouldn't "had accelerated" be redundant?

4. If reported speech in the past requires past perfect tense for the thing described, then is it the general rule that there's not EVER any question that uses perfect tense in both, and something like "The authority said that the economy slowed down" or "The officials reported that people liked the recent data" would always be wrong?

Thank you!

Sorry for the delay!

It wouldn't really make sense for the action of acceleration to start at EXACTLY the same time as the announcement. How can you announce something that hasn't happened yet?

Now we can certainly announce an ongoing process, but in that case we would want something like, "The Federal Reserve announcement said that growth was accelerating..." - that would imply that the acceleration was still happening at the time of the announcement, but we don't have that option here.

As for your examples, "He knew he was right," actually conveys a slightly different meaning than "He knew he had been right":

  • "He knew he was right." - The action of being "right" doesn't stop before the action of "knowing". Being "right", in this case, is a continuous action.
  • "He KNEW he had been right when he answered the question on the exam, so he was surprised when he saw an "F" on the graded exam." When did the action of "knowing" happen? At some point in the past (the moment he saw that "F" on his exam). When did the action of "being right" happen? At a DISTINCT time in the past (well before the exam was graded). This construction stresses the difference in the timing of the two actions.

We don't need to make that distinction in conversation, but there's a difference between what passes in day-to-day speech and what's correct on the GMAT! And remember, that the GMAT isn't about coming up with hard and fast rules to blindly apply to future problems. We have to compare the five choices and "select the answer that produces the most effective sentence."

Here we have to choose between "had accelerated" and "accelerated". The use of the past perfect ("had accelerated") makes the chronology crystal clear: the acceleration happened in the past (after the slowing), and the announcement happened at a later point in the past. That makes perfect (no pun intended) sense!

The use of the simple past ("accelerated') is less clear and allows for an interpretation that doesn't make any sense (that the acceleration started at the same time as the announcement).

Does this mean we can carve some rules in stone when it comes to the past perfect and apply those rules to every other sentence we see? Absolutely not. But among the five choices on THIS question, (A) is the best.
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As far as I understood past perfect tense, it is used to denote the earlier action and the two events must be related. How is that we are relating the two events announcement was made and the growth had accelerated. How are these two events related?
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