TIAS Business School V/s Grenoble Ecole De Management

Question

Hello,

I have received admissions offers from four business schools, and I am confused between TIAS Business School in the Netherlands (FT 2024 rank 98) and Grenoble Ecole De Management in France (FT 2024 rank 96).

Fees: Grenoble Ecole De Management is almost 8 lakhs cheaper in fees than TIAS. 
 Job market: The job market at TIAS is 80% English-speaking, but for France, I need to learn French to at least B2 level. 
 Visa: France offers a two-year visa after graduation, while the Netherlands offers a one-year visa. 
 Competitiveness: TIAS might have a slightly lower ranking, but it is very competitive and doesn't accept students below a GMAT score of 620, while Grenoble offers a GMAT waiver. 
 What I heard: As a sales and marketing professional after an MBA, the job roles I will get are mostly dependent on my previous role. Thus, in the French job market, it will be harder for me to get a job than in the Dutch job market.

Help me to choose the best

Art200 · Answer

Without native French good luck. It is clear and obvious must be TIAS. Good luck

YB114 · Answer

Art200 · Answer

Hey, would go to Maastricht, with your diploma you could easily apply to jobs in Amsterdam that don't need Dutch which is harder in Paris to do. Good luck

YB114 · Answer

ExpertsGlobal · Answer

Hello  YB114 ,

Congratulations!

TIAS appears to be a winner here owing to the lack of a language barrier in The Netherlands. Marketing, as a domain, draws heavily from the cultural context of a region and language is a huge part of that context; hence, it would just make more sense for you to opt for The Netherlands as a geography.

Thanks.

All the best!

YB114 · Answer

@ ExpertsGlobal  Thank you .Can you help me with one more question?

I'm 31 now and I'm very much worried about job safety.

For Grenoble: It's a 10-month program which will be completed in June 2025. After that, I will have a straight one-year gap for internship or job until June 2026. Then, in June 2026, I will get my degree, and after obtaining the degree, I will have two more years of visa for job search, which means a total of 3 years of visa. Thus, I feel very much secured here in terms of job perspective.

In TIAS: It's a 12-month program which will be completed in September 2025. After that, I will only get a one-year visa for job search. Additionally, I've heard that within this one year, if I get a job on a contract basis, those employers won't sponsor the visa.

Thus, for safety purposes, don't you think I should go with Grenoble, or am I unnecessarily worrying?

plasticinsurance · Answer

TIAS always.

My time at GEM was an utter complete waste of time and money.

My two cents:

I do not recommend if you are American or are interested in creating wealth. The professors are all zero-sum greenoids, pinkoids, red fascists, masquerading as interested in business/capitalism. Very anti-American or anti any country identified as "far-"right wing, like BJP-governed India, for example.

Think of Ulrike Herrmann. The type that the "end-justify-the-means" kind of instructors, all neo-Gramscian/Trotskyist like, which is so boring and predictable after almost a century now of all that recycled and regurgitated nonsense in the West.
They are interested in degrowth and rationing including demographics. The university is more of a humanities degree mill aiming for the few bureaucratic/ESG jobs left in France for foreigners than invested in producing professionals in applied business/finance that will grow economies and increase the purchasing power of stakeholders/employees/shareholders/etc.

And if you are Lebanese, Indian, or any non-francophone country that for a variety of circumstances end up in France, save for a couple of more years and target either a university in an Anglophone country or if you insist in this old continent at least go for the Netherlands or Ireland. The CAF and Paris, the only real place with jobs in France, are hardly worth the pain of dealing with a system in complete decline. Based on my cohort, at least 2/3 of you will not find work in France, which makes the ROI on a degree from GEM depressing and a complete waste of savings/time.
 
  YB114

TIAS Business School V/s Grenoble Ecole De Management

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