Hello! This is the thread where I tracked my GMAT studying progress. I'll post my eventual debrief below, but please note that the first post (under all of the dashed lines) and all posts after that are from the beginning of my GMAT journey. Here's the debrief: My exam was on August 19, and as evidenced in this thread, I was expecting a pretty solid score (>750). I'm definitely happy with my 760, but I wish I had done a few things differently. Here's a breakdown of my exam experience: Note: I'm the type of person who loves pressure situations and doesn't get nervous about most things, so if you're looking for a thread on how to calm your nerves, then look elsewhere! TESTING CENTER SELECTION I have problems with noises, so I wanted to choose a testing center that was as quiet as possible. There three testing centers that are relatively close to me (< 1 hour drive), so I had some choices. One was in a small but hip city, the second was in a major US city, and the third was in a super-rural, poorly educated town. I chose the poorly-educated city because I figured that there would be fewer people there during my test. I was right -- I was literally the only person in the room for the entire exam, so I didn't have to worry about noise. This was also great because the proctor (a rather large fellow who moved EXTREMELY slowly and made multiple errors trying to type in his administrator password during my breaks) was able to focus all of his time and energy on me. I would have been pretty annoyed to see him lumbering around trying to log other people in / out. One problem that I did encounter was the long drive over there. My exam was at 6:30 PM, so I started my drive around 5:00 PM and ended up there around 6:00PM. On the way there, I stopped at a small shop for a few Gatorades and power bars. When I got back into my car and started to drive up the hill to the testing center, I noticed that a huge bee was trapped in my car. I have a deadly allergy to bees and I didn't think to bring my EpiPen, so I literally pulled over, hopped out of my car, and just started running. It was definitely an interesting experience to have right before my exam. TIME OF DAY This was one of my biggest errors. I was a pretty big night owl during the summer, so I figured that the 6:30 PM time slot would be great for me. Sadly, I didn't realize that a 6:30 PM time equivocates to the post-lunch drowsy period when you're waking up around noon. I should have picked a time much closer to when I actually got up at that time (man, I wish I could still wake up at noon! Gotta love the summer as a college student). While I was pumped to be taking the actual GMAT, I was feeling pretty sleepy on the drive home just from the time of day. AWA (NOTE -- MY AWA COMMENTS APPLY TO NATIVE SPEAKERS ONLY!) Nobody cares about the AWA. I'm serious. I don't know if there's much value in doing the AWA during practice exams because nobody cares about your score. Some people may argue that it's important to build stamina for test day, but I think that's worthless for two reasons: first, on a normal practice exam day, you aren't focusing all of your thoughts on your practice exam. I did a few practice exams after work / after going to the gym / after fun nights out, but on test day, I focused all of my energy and thoughts on the actual exam. Second, adrenaline kicks in on test day and you'll have more energy to crank out the essays -- they're more like a mental warm-up. I didn't read any guides or any sections on the AWA because it just doesn't matter. When I was writing the essays, I thought they were absolutely terrible, but I ended up getting a 6. Who knows! QUANT Yep, the quant section is getting harder. I ran into a few types of problems that I had never even seen before -- including one in particular that reminded me of a question I had gotten as a brainteaser during my derivatives trading interviews. By the time I realized what the problem was really asking, I had wasted too much time. Manhattan GMAT is a pretty awesome resource for this type of thinking, but it's not a comprehensive guide anymore for the quant section. You're going to have to improvise. It's also hard to prepare for the GMAT's experimental questions. It was nice to see a few ridiculously easy problems randomly thrown in there (i.e. reducing fractions), but it definitely threw me off of my game. The easy questions kind of lulled my mind to sleep. PowerPrep is the best way to prepare for this wildcard factor (PowerPrep has the experimental questions in there) but the general level of difficulty is way too easy. This brings me to another big mistake that I made on test day: strategy. Before going into your exam, decide on your strategy for handling tough quant questions. Are you going to skip over them and move on? Are you going to try to hammer out a solution? I made the mistake of doing both -- I tried to get an answer for a while (i.e. 2-3 minutes), but at the end, I ended up skipping. I wish I had made a decision beforehand so I could have more time at the end of my exam. VERBAL Not too much to say here. Verbal was pretty spot-on from the practice exams. The one thing I did notice is that there were some idioms that I knew as a native English speaker, but didn't remember from any verbal review books / idiom lists in particular. I think that the exam makers have realized the unbelievable amount of preparation materials out there for anyone who wants them and is now slightly changing the exam to compensate for all of this information. SCHOOL SELECTION Choose the schools you want to send your scores to before your exam. 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I'm interested in getting my GMAT out of the way because I want to apply to some sort of business school in the future. I'm using the following books: MGMAT complete series PR Cracking the GMAT 2010 PR 1012 OG 11 OG 12 OG Q 2 OG V 2 I took my first exam cold a few weeks ago: PR 1 - 710 - Q47 (33/37), V41 (35/41) I was pretty happy to break the 700 mark without studying, but I knew that I had a lot of work to do. I had never seen DS before, so I had a lot of trouble with those questions (only got 11/15 correct) on my first practice exam. I've gone through the entire MGMAT series, the OG V2 and OG Q2 guides, and I'm starting OG V11. I'm going to take my first MGMAT CAT in the coming days, so I'll update then. Best of luck to everyone here on GMATClub!

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wowsie......great thread

YourDreamTheater i for one would wait for your G-sore on the 19th....atb

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Good luck. I've been following your story and can't wait to read about ur inevitable success.

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Thanks intellijat and smuvern, I appreciate it!

Just took a PowerPrep exam (Exam 1). Saw a lot of repeats from OG 12 in verbal (maybe around 8?), but I didn't recognize any repeats from quant. I found it interesting how the PowerPrep software admits at the end of the exam that 1/4 of the questions were experimental and weren't counted -- and then it went on to only show you the questions that actually counted. I wasn't expecting this level of transparency!

Here's my result:

PowerPrep 1 = 780 - Q50 V47

I only got one wrong in quant (27/28 = 96%) and two wrong in verbal (28/30 = 93%) out of the questions that it actually graded, but I still got bumped down to a 50. This exam had a quant section that was a tad easier than GMATPrep, but it graded much more harshly.

I can't decide if I think the PowerPrep exam was a waste of time. I encountered a few types of questions (especially in quant and SC) that I had never seen before, so I guess it was a good thing, but there were so many verbal repeats from OG 12 that the verbal section felt a bit silly.

I think I'm going to take the other PowerPrep exam later day, but I'm going to take a break first. And I have to fill out paperwork for jury duty tomorrow morning (because everyone knows that the best time to fulfill one's civic duty is literally THE SAME WEEK as the GMAT).

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awesome score. keep going. good luck !!

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Great story! Wish you good luck!

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Thanks to both of you!

I got a request to list all the exams I've taken (in order) in one post, so here they are so far:

Princeton Review 1 = 710 - Q47 V41
Princeton Review 2 = 750 - Q51 V43
Princeton Review 3 = 690 - Q43 V43
Princeton Review 4 = 730 - Q48 V44
MGMAT 1 = 750 - Q48 V45
MGMAT 2 = 780 - Q51 V45
MGMAT 3 = xxx - Q51
MGMAT 4 = 730 - Q51 V39
GMAT Prep 1 = 780 - Q50 V48 (with AWA)
PowerPrep 1 = 780 - Q50 V47

I'm going to take GMAT Prep 1 again tomorrow (and possibly PowerPrep 2 if I have the stamina) to get some more official questions.

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Man,

As far as I know, GMAC releases new portions of questions every first day of every month and all the questions are the same during a given month.
Folks, who passed GMAT this month, tell stories about EXTREMALY difficult SC's, so it could be a good idea to devote some extra time to brutal SC questions. I'm already going through brutal SC, since I scheduled GMAT on August 31th

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Thanks for the heads up! You've inspired me to go through the document in this thread:
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On second thought --

I can't really recommend the SC post in the link that I posted above. Some of the questions are really suspect, and I don't see a strong correlation between official SC questions and the questions in that post.

A bit more digging revealed that many of these questions were taken off various foreign standardized testing sites -- some of which don't even cater to the GMAT. I don't really see the value in these questions when I could be getting more acclimated to the real types of questions that will come up on the GMAT.

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I suggest that you go through this set:
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In this thread guys have already discussed many-many irrelevant things and mistakes; so you do not need to "invent bicycles".

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Financier -- Thanks for the link, but I'm still going to focus on the official questions. Good to know that people have hammered out a lot of the problems in that document, though!
Out of curiosity -- what does the phrase "invent bicycles" mean? I know the phrase "reinvent the wheel," which seems similar contextually, but I've never come across "invent bicycles."

Back to the GMAT -- just took GMATPrep 1 again. Came across 8-10 repeats from the first GMATPrep, but I still got the exact same score:

GMATPrep 1 = 780 - Q50 V48 (retake)

Literally the exact same score as my first attempt at GMATPrep 1! I even had the same quant-verbal breakdown!

Again, I only missed one verbal question, but I got bumped down to a 48. I was surprised to see that it was a CR question that I got wrong -- just a silly mistake, but still kind of annoying. I got 6 wrong in quant and ended up with a 50 again. I'm wondering what it's going to take for me to get up into the 51 region. Possibly a miracle? I write the AWA essays, but I did use the official pen / erasable pad and an unfamiliar computer in my university's library

I'm going to take GMATPrep 2 tomorrow (with AWA), and I'm hoping to repeat my performance on these last two GMATPrep exams. If I can pull off a 780 on test day, then I will be extremely elated!!!!

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Originally posted by Financier on 16 Aug 2010, 22:28.
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Russians say "invent bicycles" rather than "reinvent the wheel". The meaning is exactly the same

About your score: It's more than likely that familiar questions that you encounter on GMATprep's test distort the accuracy of your final score. So, the final battle may be more bloody than you think, be prepared.

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Interesting! Despite my Russian heritage, I have never heard that saying. Thanks!

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Just finished up GMATPrep 2. I took it with all the real testing conditions, and I didn't recognize any of the questions, so I'm guessing it's pretty accurate. The one problem I had with it was that I completed it in an absurdly cold room, and I found the temperature a bit distracting. Lesson learned -- I'll bring a sweater to the real testing center.

Here was the result:

GMATPrep 2 = 770 - Q50 V45

I was a bit disappointed to see my verbal score drop down to a 45 (I missed 3 questions), but I was glad to see my quant score stay up at 50 (I missed 7 questions). I have a feeling that none of the verbal questions I have answered incorrectly during my three GMATPrep attempts (1, 1-retake, and 2) have been experimental, because all of the questions have docked me serious verbal points. I wonder how GMATPrep deals with experimental questions -- does the problem even have them? I'd be willing to bet that this could be a reason why most people score higher on the real GMAT than on GMATPrep, a trend that I have noticed after reading the last 5-10 pages of the "Share Your GMAT Experience" forum.

My test is Thursday evening, and at this point I think I'm ready to take it. I'm definitely getting used to taking one GMAT exam every evening, so I think that the real thing will just feel like another GMATPrep exam.

Here are all of my scores thus far (in chronological order):

Princeton Review 1 = 710 - Q47 V41
Princeton Review 2 = 750 - Q51 V43
Princeton Review 3 = 690 - Q43 V43
Princeton Review 4 = 730 - Q48 V44
MGMAT 1 = 750 - Q48 V45
MGMAT 2 = 780 - Q51 V45
MGMAT 3 = xxx - Q51
MGMAT 4 = 730 - Q51 V39
GMAT Prep 1 = 780 - Q50 V48 (with AWA)
PowerPrep 1 = 780 - Q50 V47
GMAT Prep 1 = 780 - Q50 V48 (retake)
GMAT Prep 2 = 770 - Q50 V45 (with AWA)

I seem to have plateaued around the 770-780 range, so I'm hoping for that type of result on the real thing.

I'm going to go through the GMATPrep SC document to make sure my verbal score is as high as possible.

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Very impressive scores. I'm curious about ur streak on quant, do u hve a solid math background? And to what extent can u attribute those quant scores to ur prep thus far.

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Thanks for the post, smuvern!

I don't really have a solid math background. I took math through differential equations in high school, but I haven't taken a math class since then (I'm a music major). Some of the music classes I've taken are quant-based (computer music, math-based composition, physics (acoustics), etc.), and many people say that music and math go hand-in-hand. I don't really process music as a series of patterns or numbers, so I can't really speak to the truth of that claim.

If you're like me and you make stupid algebra mistakes, then I'd honestly recommend taking the Princeton Review exams. The quant questions are really easy, but the exam will punish you HARSHLY for any wrong answers. The Princeton Review verbal questions are also the best representation of the official questions that I've seen (as compared to MGMAT and Kaplan), and the verbal grading is quite accurate. I found that I got kind of lazy when taking the MGMAT exams because MGMAT doesn't penalize you as greatly for wrong answers (you can miss 10 and still get a 51).

My best quant advice is to go through the quant forum and do a few problems every day. Some great practice can be found in the tough problems that Bunuel has compiled in the math forum (look in his signature under any of his posts in the quant forum). They're great for reviewing!

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Took my last-ever preparatory exam before the real thing (tomorrow!!!), and I'm pretty happy with the result.

GMATPrep 2 = 780 - Q51 V47 (retake)

I got yet another 780. I only got 3-5 repeats in both quant and verbal, so the score should be at least somewhat accurate. I was happy to see the Q51 (35/37 correct), and the V47 wasn't too bad either (39/41). It was great to have my last prep-test go EXACTLY as I want it to on test day tomorrow. The quant questions hit all of my strong points, and the verbal questions weren't too bad. I was a bit mad to miss a CR problem AND an RC problem, but I'll shake it off. I'm hoping that any questions I miss tomorrow in verbal will be experimental.

To be honest, I'll be somewhat disappointed if I don't score 770 or 780 tomorrow. I know that sounds ridiculous, and I know it wouldn't be the end of the world to get a 750 or 760, but my results in GMATPrep are pointing to that result

GMATPrep 1 = 780 - Q50 V48
GMATPrep 1 = 780 - Q50 V48
GMATPrep 2 = 770 - Q50 V45
GMATPrep 2 = 780 - Q51 V47

I can't believe that tomorrow is the big day! Honestly, I feel like I'm peaking at the perfect time. I'm really comfortable using the real GMAT interface, and I've gotten used to the tricks they throw at you. Some tips that I've found from GMATPrep:

1. DS questions -- if the first statement is very computationally intensive, and is NOT sufficient by itself, then be sure to check the second statement alone. The official GMAT loves to sneak in simple but tricky answers into statement 2 hoping that the test-taker will simply try to solve using both statements, rather than check if 2 is sufficient alone.

2. SC questions -- the single most important part of SC questions is comma placement. Nearly every "700+" question involves multiple commas, and the answer choices have the commas and statements in different orders. If you can understand common comma themes like ", which" then you'll be good to go.

After my exam, I may actually write a verbal document for people who want to destroy the verbal part of the GMAT.

I'm going to go watch some BSG and rest up. I'm honestly not nervous at all about tomorrow -- I'm just excited to see how high I can score! The GMAT is an opportunity to shine, not some sort of barrier to success.

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We wish you all the good, buddy! You do deserve 770+ !

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Thank you buddy i was a bit iffy on the Princeton Review but your progress has encouraged me to give it a shot. Wishing u success today,

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Fantastic thread, YourDreamTheater. Your scores are nothing short of amazing; I'm sure you're going to do really well.

All the best. Waiting to read your debrief!

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