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Bunuel why is 1 avoided?
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S = {1*3,1*11,1*17,1*23}

Unique Factors are 1,3,11,17,23

Using 1 as factor = 1*3 | 11*1 | 17*1 | 23*1
Product of 2 factors [Excluding 1] = 3*11 | 3* 17 | 3*23 | 11*17| 11*23 | 17*23
Product of 3 factors [Excluding 1] = 3*11*17 | 3*11*23 | 3*17*23 | 11*23*17
Product of 4 factors [Excluding 1] = 3*11*17*23

_ _+ _ _ + _ _ _ + _ _ _ _
4 + 4*3/2! + 4*3*2/3! + 1

4 + 6 + 4 + 1 = 15
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The elements of set S are all positive integers that can be expressed as the product of two or more of the factors 3, 11, 17 and 23. If no single product can use the same factor twice, how many elements are in Set S?

A 6
B 9
C 11
D 24
E 16
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S = {1*3,1*11,1*17,1*23}

Unique Factors are 1,3,11,17,23

Using 1 as factor = 1*3 | 11*1 | 17*1 | 23*1
Product of 2 factors [Excluding 1] = 3*11 | 3* 17 | 3*23 | 11*17| 11*23 | 17*23
Product of 3 factors [Excluding 1] = 3*11*17 | 3*11*23 | 3*17*23 | 11*23*17
Product of 4 factors [Excluding 1] = 3*11*17*23

_ _+ _ _ + _ _ _ + _ _ _ _
4 + 4*3/2! + 4*3*2/3! + 1

4 + 6 + 4 + 1 = 15
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The elements of set S are all positive integers that can be expressed as the product of two or more of the factors 3, 11, 17 and 23. If no single product can use the same factor twice, how many elements are in Set S?

A 6
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C 11
D 24
E 16

1 is not included because the question treats 3, 11, 17, and 23 as the factors themselves. It’s not about their individual factors, so 1 is irrelevant.
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So the word 'Factors' is irrelevant right? It should simply say numbers 3,11,17,23. Even if we had numbers like 22,12,17 and 23 we would have gone with same approach? Bunuel
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1 is not included because the question treats 3, 11, 17, and 23 as the factors themselves. It’s not about their individual factors, so 1 is irrelevant.
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So the word 'Factors' is irrelevant right? It should simply say numbers 3,11,17,23. Even if we had numbers like 22,12,17 and 23 we would have gone with same approach? Bunuel
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1 is not included because the question treats 3, 11, 17, and 23 as the factors themselves. It’s not about their individual factors, so 1 is irrelevant.

Yes, here each of 3, 11, 17, and 23 is called factors.
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Bunuel Can this be solved through permutations & combinations? If yes can you provide a solution pls? If not, pls suggest the effective way to go about this problem.

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A 6
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C 11
D 24
E 16
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We can solve this quickly if we think in terms of making subsets from the given set of {3, 11, 17, 23}

Total number of subsets = \(2^{4} = 16\)

We will subtract 1 blank subset i.e. {} and 4 single subsets i.e. {3} {11} {17} {23}

16 - 1 - 4 = 11

Answer C.
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The elements of set S are all positive integers that can be expressed as the product of two or more of the factors 3, 11, 17 and 23. If no single product can use the same factor twice, how many elements are in Set S?

A 6
B 9
C 11
D 24
E 16
You can select 2 at a time in 4C2 = 6 ways
Or 3 at a time in 4C3 = 4 ways
Or 4 at a time in 4C4 = 1 way

Total = 6+4+1 = 11 ways

Ans C
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Another approach- simply just list out all the possible sets - {}, {3}, {11}, {17}, {23}, {3,11}, {3,17}, {3,23}, {11,17}, {11,23}, {17, 23}, {3,11,17}, {3, 11, 23}, {3, 17, 23}, {11, 17, 23}, and {3,11,17,23}
Now cancel all the singly digit sets and the empty set, we will have 11
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Yes, this is a pure combinations problem!

We have 4 factors: 3, 11, 17, and 23

We need to count how many different products we can make using 2 or more factors (with no repetition).

Since multiplication is commutative (3 × 11 = 11 × 3), the ORDER doesn't matter. This means we use COMBINATIONS, not permutations.

The Solution:

Products using exactly 2 factors: C(4,2) = 6
Products using exactly 3 factors: C(4,3) = 4
Products using exactly 4 factors: C(4,4) = 1

Total = 6 + 4 + 1 = 11

Answer: C

Quick Verification:
Products of 2: 3×11, 3×17, 3×23, 11×17, 11×23, 17×23 → 6 products
Products of 3: 3×11×17, 3×11×23, 3×17×23, 11×17×23 → 4 products
Products of 4: 3×11×17×23 → 1 product

Total: 11 elements in set S

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why a blank set to be subtracted ?

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We can solve this quickly if we think in terms of making subsets from the given set of {3, 11, 17, 23}

Total number of subsets = \(2^{4} = 16\)

We will subtract 1 blank subset i.e. {} and 4 single subsets i.e. {3} {11} {17} {23}

16 - 1 - 4 = 11

Answer C.
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why a blank set to be subtracted ?



2^4 counts every way to choose from {3, 11, 17, 23}, including choosing nothing.

If you choose nothing ({}), you are not forming a product of two or more factors, so it cannot be in S. That is why the blank subset must be subtracted.

The 4 one element subsets also must be subtracted because they use only one factor, but S requires at least two.
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