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18 Jun 2015, 21:50
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Hi guys,
I hate to be one posting a thread with this title. I never thought that it would come to this, but I’m looking for a little guidance.
Yesterday I sat the GMAT for the second time and scored 500. My GMAT score last September was also 500. But that doesn’t tell the full story (does it ever!)
To answer the usual questions that EMPOWERgmatRichc asks:
1) How long did you study before taking your first GMAT?
5 months from May to September 2014.
2) What were the Quant and Verbal Scores on your GMAT?
GMAT 1: Q29 V29 (Sept 2014)
GMAT 2: Q35 V25 (June 2015)
3) How long have you been studying now?
Around 1 year total with 2 weeks break in April: 2-3hrs each weekday after work, 5+ hrs each Saturday and Sunday. I am very dedicated and systemised in my approach. Perhaps too much!
4) Do you have trouble finishing any of the sections on time? Do you have to rush and guess on a bunch of questions just to finish (and if so, then how many?)?
Yes! And this is my problem. In quant I often have to guess. On 40% of the problems in Q I end up guessing answer choices because my answers do not line up. I’m stuck in this frame of mind to “keep moving,” when often it may be best to spend the extra 1 min to get the answer correct. This is a real problem for me. I also get confused by the many approaches and find there is too much noise in my mind that confuses my approach. In verbal I got distracted often and re read details a lot because I wanted to get each question correct. I meditate a lot and am a calm person, but the test itself carried a lot of weight and produced some anxiety. Do you have any advice on this guessing trap?
I sit a quant MGMAT CAT every Friday night after work and review it with my tutor every Saturday. He is pleased with my progress and we both felt that I was ready. My MGMAT Q scores recently have ranged from Q38-Q42. Similarly, my minimum verbal score on MGMAT is 35. SC is strong, CR and RC are slightly weaker. There is no obvious problem area. I review my past CAT errors during the week and make sure my problems are resolved before a new CAT. I review harder questions often.
I am a native speaker, I work in finance, and have a solid base for the GMAT. Scoring poorly yesterday is really making me second guess my ability. Was it just a bad day, or does all my prep really mean that I got the score I deserve?
I have access to MGMAT, GMAT club tests, all MGMAT books, and OG13.
I also sat a GMAT prep test in full test conditions, with AWA and IR, one week ago and scored 660 Q46, V35. So to see V25 yesterday was a complete shock. I think I again got stuck in this guessing trap (which was also the problem in GMAT 1, which i thought was resolved).
5) What is your score goal? 680+
6) When are you planning to apply to Business School? Early action this year, R1.
I’m also facing a problem in that I wish to move to the US to pursue work opportunities in 6-8 weeks time. So taking a break for a month and then starting prep really isn’t an option.
That said, I won’t give up. I’ll work until I get the score I deserve. Its just a matter of changing tactics slightly and understanding myself and correct process better.
My questions really are 1) How do you think I can best resolve this guessing (keep moving) issue on quant and verbal? And 2) do you think that based on my practice scores and GMAT prep that I can re-sit in 4-6 weeks for 680?
I really thought my floor was 650 and am completely stunned by yesterdays result. I had to fly to another city and stay in a hotel, and I managed the process of this well. I have also been visualizing the exam a lot. The test environment was fine too. I was set up to nail it. However I just didn’t perform on the day....
Thank you for your help.
I hate to be one posting a thread with this title. I never thought that it would come to this, but I’m looking for a little guidance.
Yesterday I sat the GMAT for the second time and scored 500. My GMAT score last September was also 500. But that doesn’t tell the full story (does it ever!)
To answer the usual questions that EMPOWERgmatRichc asks:
1) How long did you study before taking your first GMAT?
5 months from May to September 2014.
2) What were the Quant and Verbal Scores on your GMAT?
GMAT 1: Q29 V29 (Sept 2014)
GMAT 2: Q35 V25 (June 2015)
3) How long have you been studying now?
Around 1 year total with 2 weeks break in April: 2-3hrs each weekday after work, 5+ hrs each Saturday and Sunday. I am very dedicated and systemised in my approach. Perhaps too much!
4) Do you have trouble finishing any of the sections on time? Do you have to rush and guess on a bunch of questions just to finish (and if so, then how many?)?
Yes! And this is my problem. In quant I often have to guess. On 40% of the problems in Q I end up guessing answer choices because my answers do not line up. I’m stuck in this frame of mind to “keep moving,” when often it may be best to spend the extra 1 min to get the answer correct. This is a real problem for me. I also get confused by the many approaches and find there is too much noise in my mind that confuses my approach. In verbal I got distracted often and re read details a lot because I wanted to get each question correct. I meditate a lot and am a calm person, but the test itself carried a lot of weight and produced some anxiety. Do you have any advice on this guessing trap?
I sit a quant MGMAT CAT every Friday night after work and review it with my tutor every Saturday. He is pleased with my progress and we both felt that I was ready. My MGMAT Q scores recently have ranged from Q38-Q42. Similarly, my minimum verbal score on MGMAT is 35. SC is strong, CR and RC are slightly weaker. There is no obvious problem area. I review my past CAT errors during the week and make sure my problems are resolved before a new CAT. I review harder questions often.
I am a native speaker, I work in finance, and have a solid base for the GMAT. Scoring poorly yesterday is really making me second guess my ability. Was it just a bad day, or does all my prep really mean that I got the score I deserve?
I have access to MGMAT, GMAT club tests, all MGMAT books, and OG13.
I also sat a GMAT prep test in full test conditions, with AWA and IR, one week ago and scored 660 Q46, V35. So to see V25 yesterday was a complete shock. I think I again got stuck in this guessing trap (which was also the problem in GMAT 1, which i thought was resolved).
5) What is your score goal? 680+
6) When are you planning to apply to Business School? Early action this year, R1.
I’m also facing a problem in that I wish to move to the US to pursue work opportunities in 6-8 weeks time. So taking a break for a month and then starting prep really isn’t an option.
That said, I won’t give up. I’ll work until I get the score I deserve. Its just a matter of changing tactics slightly and understanding myself and correct process better.
My questions really are 1) How do you think I can best resolve this guessing (keep moving) issue on quant and verbal? And 2) do you think that based on my practice scores and GMAT prep that I can re-sit in 4-6 weeks for 680?
I really thought my floor was 650 and am completely stunned by yesterdays result. I had to fly to another city and stay in a hotel, and I managed the process of this well. I have also been visualizing the exam a lot. The test environment was fine too. I was set up to nail it. However I just didn’t perform on the day....
Thank you for your help.
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18 Jun 2015, 22:19
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You're scoring around 650 during your official gmatprep and MGMAT tests, so I do feel like your score this second time around was a fluke. That said, you will want to make sure this fluke can never happen again.
You mention studying for a year. I think its important to study smarter, not necessarily longer. I recommend watching MGMAT's free Thursdays with Ron series (https://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/thursdays-with-ron/), just to make sure you're having a solid understanding of the fundamentals and how to approach each problem. You don't want to approach each problem with a fixed way of thinking; rather, you want to be flexible enough to adapt to the quirks each problem presents.
FYI, I found MGMAT's CATs quant section to be much harder than the real test's. Similarly, GMATClub tests quant section is also much harder than the real thing's. What did you score on those? I would consistently get around Q42 on Manhattan/GMATClub tests; on the real thing I got scores of 48, 49, and 50 (I took it three times). Conversely, MGMAT's verbal section seems a little easier than the actual test's. The actual test seems to have more "tricky" or "trap" verbal questions that really test your fundamentals.
You mention studying for a year. I think its important to study smarter, not necessarily longer. I recommend watching MGMAT's free Thursdays with Ron series (https://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/thursdays-with-ron/), just to make sure you're having a solid understanding of the fundamentals and how to approach each problem. You don't want to approach each problem with a fixed way of thinking; rather, you want to be flexible enough to adapt to the quirks each problem presents.
FYI, I found MGMAT's CATs quant section to be much harder than the real test's. Similarly, GMATClub tests quant section is also much harder than the real thing's. What did you score on those? I would consistently get around Q42 on Manhattan/GMATClub tests; on the real thing I got scores of 48, 49, and 50 (I took it three times). Conversely, MGMAT's verbal section seems a little easier than the actual test's. The actual test seems to have more "tricky" or "trap" verbal questions that really test your fundamentals.
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Hi porkbun, thanks for your reply.
I found the gmatclub tests to be quite difficult, and not so much representative unless one was already scoring in the mid-high 40's. Just because, several months ago, even after getting 500 level questions incorrect, the algorithm would often prompt a string of 700 level questions. My marks ranged from 18-30. The tests, however, were a fantastic learning resource and I reviewed them often. They made other gmat material seem easy. I then went straight over to Manhattan and was scoring 37+ regularly, with 42 coming just before my gmatprep cat.
I am also running out of high quality verbal material. Do you have any suggestions for well priced, or even free resources? Such as question sets and explanations, or verbal CAT's?
I found the gmatclub tests to be quite difficult, and not so much representative unless one was already scoring in the mid-high 40's. Just because, several months ago, even after getting 500 level questions incorrect, the algorithm would often prompt a string of 700 level questions. My marks ranged from 18-30. The tests, however, were a fantastic learning resource and I reviewed them often. They made other gmat material seem easy. I then went straight over to Manhattan and was scoring 37+ regularly, with 42 coming just before my gmatprep cat.
I am also running out of high quality verbal material. Do you have any suggestions for well priced, or even free resources? Such as question sets and explanations, or verbal CAT's?
