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Well, it’s not very absurd observation, though statistically not correct… you can not apply generalization to specific group ! Averages given are generalized(or wide range), and what one need to know is relative distribution of a person in his demographic..

Let’s say 99% Chinese in range of 500 to 700 and only 90% Indian in range of 500 to 700, in this case though average of Chinese is higher, still you need higher score to enter in Indian demographic.

So correct comparison can be done only if we have application pool of each demographic with their GMAT distribution and acceptance rate..which you can not get from any school 

Saying this about statistics, I do believe that as an Indian I belive, one should score higher than 700 because I see people with 750 all around in competition pool!
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so much for being Indian eh?
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Well, it’s not very absurd observation, though statistically not correct… you can not apply generalization to specific group ! Averages given are generalized(or wide range), and what one need to know is relative distribution of a person in his demographic..

Let’s say 99% Chinese in range of 500 to 700 and only 90% Indian in range of 500 to 700, in this case though average of Chinese is higher, still you need higher score to enter in Indian demographic.

So correct comparison can be done only if we have application pool of each demographic with their GMAT distribution and acceptance rate..which you can not get from any school 

Saying this about statistics, I do believe that as an Indian I belive, one should score higher than 700 because I see people with 750 all around in competition pool!


I think you pretty much agree with me then. You are basically saying we don't know the standard deviation of each demographic group. Which I stated in the caveat section. But without that knowledge, we can pretty safely assume that degree of variation will be similar from group to group. Std dev will definitely be smaller for groups taht score higher simply because the score is capped at 800.

I wouldn't say the idea is statistically incorrect at all, it is a statistical approximation based on incomplete information, and if you see my calculations they have been pretty conservative to arrive at the 60 point mark.
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Does anybody else see the irony here? A minority (in the general American population) is being negatively affected by affirmative action and diversity.
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Does anybody else see the irony here? A minority (in the general American population) is being negatively affected by affirmative action and diversity.


irony! yes I guess
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Does anybody else see the irony here? A minority (in the general American population) is being negatively affected by affirmative action and diversity.


Affirmative Action is for UNDER-REPRESENTED minorities.
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Is this true? Do indian IT/Engineering have a tougher time getting into US or European MBA/MS programs? I have just begun reading some of the application experiences. Some people have really impressive resumes/scores but end up waitlisted or rejected at schools that i would expect them to get into.
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oh well, so much for being Indian. Its not uncommon for me to come across such discussions. They've been plenty of these discussions even in some of the other forums.

But in the end, I'm not sure how many Indians will make such a deep analysis before applying. I would rather put my efforts to make the best application.

Ps: I'm an Indian.
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Do indian IT/Engineering have a tougher time getting into US or European MBA/MS programs?


Just want to chime in here. Wording like this is scary - people can get the wrong idea very fast. When worded like that, it sounds almost discriminatory.
What's going on here is that B-Schools want to create a diverse student body. So you can assume that when applying, the comparison is weighted more heavily against others that have similar demographic profile as you, than against the entire applicant pool. In the case of Indian engineers, with an undergrad degree from IIT - that demographic has one of the highest mean GMAT scores amongst the other demographics. SO in order to make yourself "stand out" within that demographic, you either have to score higher than the rest of that demographic generally does on the GMAT, or have some other interesting aspect to your profile.

Make sense?
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how about indians who have done their undergrad and graduate abroad? do they come under the same criteria?

Its kind of scary.. because if the schools want diverse group of students, it gets harder for indians.. because there are just so many indians applying for mba with such high scores....
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