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EMPOWERgmatRichC wrote:
Hi bratbg,

Back in June, you mentioned how you had been 'stuck' right around a 600 on your recent practice CATS, so this 650 is clearly an improvement on your prior studies. A 650/Q48 is a solid performance overall - and it could be enough to get you into the Schools that you are interested in. As such a retest might not be necessary. There's no harm in retesting though, but you'll have to continue improving BOTH your Quant and Verbal skills to consistently score at the 700+ level.

Since it's been almost 3 months since we last discussed your studies, I'd like to know a bit more about the work that you've done since then:

1) During these last 3 months, how many hours did you typically study each week?
2) What study materials have you used during that time?
3) On what dates did you take EACH of your CATs/mocks and how did you score on EACH (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for EACH)?

You might also choose to purchase the Enhanced Score Report. While the ESR doesn’t provide a lot of information, there are usually a few data points that we can use to define what went wrong on Test Day (and what you should work on to score higher). If you purchase the ESR, then I'll be happy to analyze it for you.

GMAT assassins aren't born, they're made,
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Hi EMPOWERgmatRichC , thanks for your revert.

1) During these last 3 months, how many hours did you typically study each week?
I guess somewhere around 3-4 hrs a day.

2) What study materials have you used during that time?
E-gmat(verbal only), MGMAT SC , Powerscore CR & gmatclub questions + CATs.

3) On what dates did you take EACH of your CATs/mocks and how did you score on EACH (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for EACH)?
10 days prior to my GMAT exam I started taking mocks.
Breakup varied from V28-34 and Q49-50 in most of the mocks.

MGMAT 1- 540(q43,v22) on 22/03/19
MGMAT 2- 660 q48,v32
MGMAT 3- 590(Left Quant section in between) q42,v31
MGMAT 4- 650 q47,v32
MGMAT 5- 640 q45,v34
GMATPREP 1-600 q47,v26 on 18 may 2019
GMATPREP 2-600 q48 , v23 on 23 july 2019
GMATPREP 3- 690 q49,v34 on 5 sep 2019
GMATPREP 4- 660 q50, v29 on 6 sep 2019
GMATPREP 5- 690 q49,v34 on 7 sep 2019
GMATPREP 6- 660 q49, v31 on 10 sep 2019

P.S - PFA a copy of my ESR.

Thanks in advance.
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Hi bratbg,

I've sent you a PM with an analysis of your ESR and some additional questions.

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Re: 650 in GMAT [#permalink]
bratbg wrote:
EMPOWERgmatRichC wrote:
Hi bratbg,

Back in June, you mentioned how you had been 'stuck' right around a 600 on your recent practice CATS, so this 650 is clearly an improvement on your prior studies. A 650/Q48 is a solid performance overall - and it could be enough to get you into the Schools that you are interested in. As such a retest might not be necessary. There's no harm in retesting though, but you'll have to continue improving BOTH your Quant and Verbal skills to consistently score at the 700+ level.

Since it's been almost 3 months since we last discussed your studies, I'd like to know a bit more about the work that you've done since then:

1) During these last 3 months, how many hours did you typically study each week?
2) What study materials have you used during that time?
3) On what dates did you take EACH of your CATs/mocks and how did you score on EACH (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for EACH)?

You might also choose to purchase the Enhanced Score Report. While the ESR doesn’t provide a lot of information, there are usually a few data points that we can use to define what went wrong on Test Day (and what you should work on to score higher). If you purchase the ESR, then I'll be happy to analyze it for you.

GMAT assassins aren't born, they're made,
Rich


Hi EMPOWERgmatRichC , thanks for your revert.

1) During these last 3 months, how many hours did you typically study each week?
I guess somewhere around 3-4 hrs a day.

2) What study materials have you used during that time?
E-gmat(verbal only), MGMAT SC , Powerscore CR & gmatclub questions + CATs.

3) On what dates did you take EACH of your CATs/mocks and how did you score on EACH (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for EACH)?
10 days prior to my GMAT exam I started taking mocks.
Breakup varied from V28-34 and Q49-50 in most of the mocks.

MGMAT 1- 540(q43,v22) on 22/03/19
MGMAT 2- 660 q48,v32
MGMAT 3- 590(Left Quant section in between) q42,v31
MGMAT 4- 650 q47,v32
MGMAT 5- 640 q45,v34
GMATPREP 1-600 q47,v26 on 18 may 2019
GMATPREP 2-600 q48 , v23 on 23 july 2019
GMATPREP 3- 690 q49,v34 on 5 sep 2019
GMATPREP 4- 660 q50, v29 on 6 sep 2019
GMATPREP 5- 690 q49,v34 on 7 sep 2019
GMATPREP 6- 660 q49, v31 on 10 sep 2019

P.S - PFA a copy of my ESR.

Thanks in advance.


What happened in the last few questions in the quant section? Maybe you got some really difficult questions after a very good performance in the first 3 sections but I feel you are good in quant and can improve your quant score to Q51-51 by some more practice.

Also, you performed really well in Verbal in the last two sections. Maybe you got a few easier questions after your not so good performance in the second section of GMAT.

I feel you need on work on Verbal to score a V38+ (Specially Sentence correction)

All the best!
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Re: 650 in GMAT [#permalink]
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bratbg wrote:
EMPOWERgmatRichC wrote:
Hi bratbg,

Back in June, you mentioned how you had been 'stuck' right around a 600 on your recent practice CATS, so this 650 is clearly an improvement on your prior studies. A 650/Q48 is a solid performance overall - and it could be enough to get you into the Schools that you are interested in. As such a retest might not be necessary. There's no harm in retesting though, but you'll have to continue improving BOTH your Quant and Verbal skills to consistently score at the 700+ level.

Since it's been almost 3 months since we last discussed your studies, I'd like to know a bit more about the work that you've done since then:

1) During these last 3 months, how many hours did you typically study each week?
2) What study materials have you used during that time?
3) On what dates did you take EACH of your CATs/mocks and how did you score on EACH (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for EACH)?

You might also choose to purchase the Enhanced Score Report. While the ESR doesn’t provide a lot of information, there are usually a few data points that we can use to define what went wrong on Test Day (and what you should work on to score higher). If you purchase the ESR, then I'll be happy to analyze it for you.

GMAT assassins aren't born, they're made,
Rich


Hi EMPOWERgmatRichC , thanks for your revert.

1) During these last 3 months, how many hours did you typically study each week?
I guess somewhere around 3-4 hrs a day.

2) What study materials have you used during that time?
E-gmat(verbal only), MGMAT SC , Powerscore CR & gmatclub questions + CATs.

3) On what dates did you take EACH of your CATs/mocks and how did you score on EACH (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for EACH)?
10 days prior to my GMAT exam I started taking mocks.
Breakup varied from V28-34 and Q49-50 in most of the mocks.

MGMAT 1- 540(q43,v22) on 22/03/19
MGMAT 2- 660 q48,v32
MGMAT 3- 590(Left Quant section in between) q42,v31
MGMAT 4- 650 q47,v32
MGMAT 5- 640 q45,v34
GMATPREP 1-600 q47,v26 on 18 may 2019
GMATPREP 2-600 q48 , v23 on 23 july 2019
GMATPREP 3- 690 q49,v34 on 5 sep 2019
GMATPREP 4- 660 q50, v29 on 6 sep 2019
GMATPREP 5- 690 q49,v34 on 7 sep 2019
GMATPREP 6- 660 q49, v31 on 10 sep 2019

P.S - PFA a copy of my ESR.

Thanks in advance.


What happened in the last few questions in the quant section? Maybe you got some really difficult questions after a very good performance in the first 3 sections but I feel you are good in quant and can improve your quant score to Q51-51 by some more practice.

Also, you performed really well in Verbal in the last two sections. Maybe you got a few easier questions after your not so good performance in the second section of GMAT.

I feel you need on work on Verbal to score a V38+ (Specially Sentence correction)

All the best!


Hi CAMANISHPARMAR
Can you please suggest some certain steps I should follow or some books I should go through in order to get Q51 and V38+.

Thanks in advance.
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Re: 650 in GMAT [#permalink]
EMPOWERgmatRichC wrote:
Hi bratbg,

I've sent you a PM with an analysis of your ESR and some additional questions.

GMAT assassins aren't born, they're made,
Rich

Hi EMPOWERgmatRichC ,
I have replied back t your PM.

Thanks
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Re: 650 in GMAT [#permalink]
ScottTargetTestPrep wrote:
Hi bratbg,

Although, I do not know the score breakdown of your official practice exams, it seems likely that in order to improve your overall GMAT score, you are going to need to improve your verbal skills. Thus, moving forward, you may consider following a linear study plan that allows you to learn each verbal topic individually and then practice each topic until you’ve gained mastery. Let me expand on this idea further.

For example, when studying Critical Reasoning, you need to ensure that you fully understand the essence of the various question types. Do you know the importance of an assumption within an argument? Can you easily spot a conclusion? Do you know how to resolve a paradox? Do you know how to properly evaluate cause and effect? Do you know how to properly weaken or strengthen an argument? These are just a few examples; you really need to take a deep dive into the individual Critical Reasoning topics to develop the necessary skills to properly attack any Critical Reasoning questions that you encounter.

As you learn each Critical Reasoning problem type, do focused practice so that you can track your skill in answering each type. If, for example, you incorrectly answered a Weaken the Argument question, ask yourself why. Did you make a careless mistake? Did you not recognize the specific question type? Were you doing too much analysis in your head? Did you skip over a keyword in an answer choice? You must thoroughly analyze your mistakes and seek to turn weaknesses into strengths by focusing on the question types you dread seeing and the questions you take a long time to answer correctly.

When practicing Reading Comprehension, you need to develop a reading strategy that is both efficient and thorough. Reading too fast and not understanding what you have read are equally as harmful as reading too slow and using up too much time. When attacking Reading Comprehension passages, you must have one clear goal in mind: to understand the context of what you are reading. However, you must do so efficiently, so you need to avoid getting bogged down in the details of each paragraph and focus on understanding the main point of each paragraph. That being said, do not fall into the trap of thinking that you can just read the intro and the conclusion and comprehend the main idea of a paragraph. As you read a paragraph, consider how the context of the paragraph relates to previous paragraphs, so you can continue developing your overall understanding of the passage. Furthermore, as you practice Reading Comprehension, focus on the exact types of questions with which you struggle: Find the Main Idea, Inference, Author’s Tone, etc. As with Critical Reasoning, analyze your incorrect answers to better determine why you tend to get a particular question type wrong, and then improve upon your weaknesses. You can perfect your reading strategy with a lot of practice, but keep in mind that GMAT Reading Comprehension passages are not meant to be stimulating. So, to better prepare yourself to tackle such bland passages, read magazines with similar content and style, such as the New York Times, Scientific American, and Smithsonian.

Sentence Correction is a bit of a different animal compared to Reading Comprehension and Critical Reasoning. There are three aspects to getting correct answers to GMAT Sentence Correction questions: what you know, such as grammar rules, what you see, such as violations of grammar rules and the logic of sentence structure, and what you do, such as carefully considering each answer choice in the context of the non-underlined portion of the sentence. To drive up your Sentence Correction score, you likely will have to work on all three of those aspects. Furthermore, the likely reason that your Sentence Correction performance has not improved is that you have not been working on all three of those aspects.

Regarding what you know, to be successful in Sentence Correction, first and foremost, you MUST know your grammar rules. Let's be clear, though: GMAT Sentence Correction is not just a test of knowledge of grammar rules. The reason for learning grammar rules is so that you can determine what sentences convey and whether sentences are well-constructed. In fact, in many cases, incorrect answers to Sentence Correction questions are grammatically flawless. Thus, often your task is to use your knowledge of grammar rules to determine which answer choice creates the most logical sentence meaning and structure.

This determination of whether sentences are well-constructed and logical is the second aspect of finding correct answers to Sentence Correction questions, what you see. To develop this skill, you probably have to slow way down. You won't develop this skill by spending less than two minutes per question. For a while, anyway, you have to spend time with each question, maybe even ten or fifteen minutes on one question sometimes, analyzing every answer choice until you see the details that you have to see in order to choose the correct answer. As you go through the answer choices, consider the meaning conveyed by each version of the sentence. Does the meaning make sense? Even if you can tell what the version is SUPPOSED to convey, does the version really convey that meaning? Is there a verb to go with the subject? Do all pronouns clearly refer to nouns? By slowing way down and looking for these details, you learn to see what you have to see in order to clearly understand which answer to a Sentence Correction question is correct.

There is only one correct answer to any Sentence Correction question, there are clear reasons why that choice is correct and the others are not, and none of those reasons are that the correct version simply "sounds right." In fact, the correct version often sounds a little off at first. That correct answers may sound a little off is not surprising. If the correct answers were always the ones that sounded right, then most people most of the time would get Sentence Correction questions correct, without really knowing why the wrong answers were wrong and the correct answers were correct. So, you have to go beyond choosing what "sounds right" and learn to clearly see the logical reasons why one choice is better than all of the others.

As for the third aspect of getting Sentence Correction questions correct, what you do, the main thing you have to do is be very careful. You have to make sure that you are truly considering the structures of sentences and the meanings conveyed rather than allowing yourself to be tricked into choosing trap answers that sound right but don't convey meanings that make sense. You also have to make sure that you put some real energy into finding the correct answers. Finding the correct answer to a Sentence Correction question may take bouncing from choice to choice repeatedly until you start to see the differences between the choices that make all choices wrong except for one. Often, when you first look at the choices, only one or two seem obviously incorrect. Getting the right answers takes a certain work ethic. You have to put in the necessary time to see the differences between answers and to figure out the precise reasons that one choice is correct.

To improve what you do when you answer Sentence Correction questions, seek to become aware of how you are going about answering them. Are you being careful and looking for logic and details, or are you quickly eliminating choices that sound a little off and then choosing the best of the rest? If you choose an incorrect answer, consider what you did to arrive at that answer and what you could do differently to arrive at correct answers more consistently. Furthermore, see how many questions you can get correct in a row as you practice. If you break your streak by missing one, consider what you could do differently to extend your streak.

As with your Critical Reasoning and Reading Comprehension regimens, after learning a particular Sentence Correction topic, engage in focused practice with 30 questions or more that involve that topic. As your skills improve, you’ll then want to practice with questions that test you on skills from multiple SC topics.

Ultimately, if you are unable to learn and practice in the manner described above, you may consider looking for additional verbal prep resources. If you are unsure of which resources to choose, check out some reviews here on GMAT Club.

You also may find my article with more information regarding
how to score a 700+ on the GMAT helpful.

Feel free to reach out with any questions.

Good luck!



Hi ScottTargetTestPrep,

Thank you for such a detailed explanation and sorry for delay in my reply as I was a bit laid back after my 1st gmat exam. But now I am getting back on track thanks to daily motivation from my family and people at GmatClub and mentors such as you guys.

I guess this time you would have gone through my ESR too. In addition to that you are right I need to improve my verbal skills. Though your post was very detailed but what I am not able to comprehend is a gameplan plus where I am lagging is - if I work just on SC which is clearly my weakest I happen to mark wrong answers in CR or RC sections.
So what I can't get my around is a plan in order to improve all 3 at the same point of time and I am constantly worried about is the round 2 deadlines.

Thanks
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bratbg wrote:

Hi ScottTargetTestPrep,

Thank you for such a detailed explanation and sorry for delay in my reply as I was a bit laid back after my 1st gmat exam. But now I am getting back on track thanks to daily motivation from my family and people at GmatClub and mentors such as you guys.

I guess this time you would have gone through my ESR too. In addition to that you are right I need to improve my verbal skills. Though your post was very detailed but what I am not able to comprehend is a gameplan plus where I am lagging is - if I work just on SC which is clearly my weakest I happen to mark wrong answers in CR or RC sections.
So what I can't get my around is a plan in order to improve all 3 at the same point of time and I am constantly worried about is the round 2 deadlines.

Thanks
bratbg


Hi bratbg,

I think the path forward is to ensure that you are studying all 3 verbal sections. If you find the SC is the weakest of the 3, then use 50% of your verbal study time on SC, 25% on CR, and 25% on RC (or some similar type of combination). Certainly, if you have any further questions, feel free to reach out.

Good luck!
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