Here is a summary of my journey - Background ---------- I am an Indian with engineering and business background. My target is to get into one of top 10 schools to pursue my interest in finance. Given my engineering background, I am strong in quantitative. But not that strong in verbal sections, especially, english grammar The Journey ----------- I started preparing for GMAT around last week of August'04. As I was targeting round 2 of all schools , I knew I had very little time. First thing I did was to book a test slot for Nov 13th - I thought if I do badly then I can give another try in December. Here is the list of books I used - 1. Kaplan - Math Workbook 2. PR - Verbal Workout 3. Kaplan 2004 + CD ROM 4. Kaplan 800 5. OG - 10th version 6. Arco - GMAT CAT Answer to Real Essay Questions 7. Crack-GMAT Software I started with the first 2 books to understand the concepts. I think, PR-Verbal workout is good. The strategies and rules are clear and nice. I flipped through Kaplan - Math Workbook just to refresh my memory. During this time, I tried to identify the areas of comfort and concern. Areas of comfort => All quant stuff , Critical Reasoning Areas of concern => Sentence Correction and Reading Comp, Silly mistakes in quant due to over-confidence. Then I started with the full tests. Here are the details - KAP Diagnostic 660 KAP TEST1 600 PP1 680 KAP TEST2 600 PP2 680 KAP TEST3 590 KAP TEST4 640 Crack-GMAT1 680 PP1 740 PP2 750 KAP TEST1 590 ????? I found many people on this forum saying that the practice test scores are no way similar to actual exam. So, I took these test as a stamina building and weakness identification exercise. My study plan was quite simple. I have a full time job but very little family responsibility. So, I used to study 1-3 hours perday on weekdays and 7-10 hours per day on weekends. As per advice from other members and my friends, my primary focus was on OG. I cann't stress it more. It is THE book for verbal. So, everyday I used to make it a point to solve about 10 questions each from SC and CR, and about 2-3 passages from RC - all from OG. Again, understanding the answers is VERY VERY important. After few days it almost became a habit ! Another rule that I laid down for myself was to take at least 1 full test on every weekend (and sometimes 2). Other then these 2 rules I didn't have fixed plan. When I got some extra time, I covered Kaplan 2004 book and the CD too. Quant questions in Kaplan are good but verbal is not as good as OG. Verbal in Kaplan is too tough. Starting from first full time test, I gave all the practice tests in as close to actual test environment as possible - wrote the essays, took 2 five minute breaks and even wore my shoes in all the tests ! I know it may sound funny, but the idea of giving the 4 hr practice tests is to avoid any unforeseen distraction at actual exam. So, it is a good idea to take the tests seriously. At times it is too tempting too skip the essay part. I will advice against it. As many people have already pointed out in this forum, it is very very important to understand the answers. For every question that I got wrong, I used to go through the explanation (and curse myself for being so stupid ). I did all my tests and answers in one notebook. So, fortunately I had the error log. (Though I didn't have any conscious plans of keeping an error log). The main problems I had in quant was to avoid making silly mistakes. In first few days I used to finish every quant question in about 1 min and in the process used to make silly mistakes. So, major challenge for me was to slow myself down and double check every answer, especially, DS questions. I brushed up few permutation, combination and probability theories too . Quant was my strength. I was an ace in all math related subjects throughout my career. For RC - I took some advice from this forum. The Kaplan and PR strategy of skimming through the passge didn't work for me. So, I changed strategy and read the passage carefully and took notes too. That solved my RC problem. But, even after using all strategies and OG questions, the SC problem remained. I have to admit - my knowledge of grammar is not that good. I think for SC (and CR too), this forum is the best place. Last few weeks, I watched and participated in the verbal forum. Some of the posts on that board were real eye openers for me. Last few days ------------- After I finished OG, I started with Kaplan 800. As the book says, it contains a lot of tough questions. Again, I skipped the Quant part of it. I was able to crack the difficult RCs and CRs in the book. That gave me a lot of confidence. But, SC was bad as usual. Apart for Kap 800, I focused a lot on the discussion on the verbal forum. From OG, I reviewed all the SC and CR errors that I have made. It is VERY important to review your errors. Again, I started looking at the essays from Arco. I don't think anyone needs to spend a lot of time on them. Once you understand the format, it is not a big deal. As most business schools admit, it is not a very important part either. I will come to that later. Last 2 days ----------- Thursday was a holiday in my organization. So, I gave the last 4 hr practice test from Kaplan and got 590. Though I was trying not to think too much about the score, it shaked me a little. So, that's why I requested everyone to wish me I went through few last minute notes. On Friday, I decided not to study at all. . I went to office on Friday because I knew if I stay at home I will drive myself crazy. It all depends on your personality. If you think taking a day off before exam will help then better to take the day off. Exam day -------- I went with a relaxed mindset - It is not the end of the world and it is not an one time exam. If screw up this time, I can give again in December. Reached the center 1 hour in advance. They quickly set me up. So, I didn't have to wait long. Previous day "shygo" gave a good advice - "Don't strain yourself too much in this section. Use this section to compose yourself for the next two sections". I used that advice. I didn't try to write the best essay in my life. Instead I tried to bring myself to exam mode. I wrote in a relaxed mood and finished 2-3 min early . I don't know whether it happens to everyone, but I take few minutes to come to exam mode. So, the first hour on the essays really put me on the exam mode. At the end of it, I had a feeling that I did well. I took the 5 min break - jumped in the restroom and stretched in the waiting area First 3-4 quant questions were really easy. Then the difficulty level started rising. I was very careful till 15th question. My strategy was 7 in 15min, 14 in 30 min and so on. I was going as per plan. I saw a combination problem in first 15 - but a real easy one. Nothing compared to what I have seen in the quant forum I got stuck on one question around 19-20. And when I checked time on question 24, I was running behind schedule. So, picked up the pace a little. But it was difficult. I would say the level of difficulty was almost like Kaplan. But the types of questions were not exact replica of Kaplan. My point is - Be prepared to be surprised. Just keep in mind - none of the questions are "complex". So if it appears complex then may be you have to approach it from some other angle. If you have done the available material in Kaplan and brushed up your basics, I guess, you will do fine. Don't let the odd type of questions freak you out. The last question was permutation but I didn't have time to solve it completely. So, I narrowed down to 2 and then guessed Took the second break. Same routine - jumped in the restroom, stretched in the waiting area and flirted with the test administrator (just kidding.... if you think talking will disturb your concentration then no need to talk.) Here is an advice - ask for fresh scratch papers after the quant section. That way you don't have to worry that you will run out of papers. I did the same thing. Started the verbal section. As expected, saw 3-4 SCs then one 50 line RC. The RC was easy . Then few more SCs and CRs. I took more time then I generally used to take. I have heard that you should see 2 RCs in first 15 questions in order to get a good score. So, I was little scared... but I didn't have much time to think about it. Around 18-19 there came 2 back-to-back RCs. I think I cracked them well. The passages were interesting (well - at least considering ETS standard they were good). After 24 questions I was left with only 26 min for rest 17 questions. So, I had to rush. The last RC was about 60 lines. It was a bit difficult. I got 2 boldfaced questions in CR. I don't know why people are scared of boldfaced questions. I think it is because of the fact that not many questions are available for practice. I found those 2 questions much simpler then some other CRs. Yes, it takes sometime to read all the choices carefully. Now coming back to SC - I was not able to use many "rules" in the exam. I think that's where I got the most help from the verbal forum. Because I have practiced and seen so many questions on the verbal forum and from OG, I guess, I internalized the rules. So, even though I didn't explicitly think about rules, I applied them pretty OK. But, during the exam I was feeling uneasy thinking that I am not using the grammar rules. Towards the end I felt my concentration is wavering a bit. So, I closed my eyes for 10-15 seconds and took deep breaths. I know it is very difficult to do that during exam, but if you can do that I think it helps. I finished the verbal section 5 second before time. But then ETS came up with their stupid survey. Finished the survey and confirmed for the millionth time that "Yes" I want to send the scores After the verbal section, I was thinking that I will get somewhere around 680-720. But got 750 !!! Couldn't believe I got 41 in verbal Some tips from my experience ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - Identify your weak areas and concentrate on them. - Keep an error log. Or at least do all your tests and practice in one notebook so that you automatically have a log. It is VERY VERY important to review your errors and understand it. - Don't get disheartened by practice scores. I know it is easier said then done. But at least try not to ....Everytime you feel upset about the score talk to yourself and say that the main purpose is stamina building. Personally I felt it today that you tend to do better in the real exam. - Do everything to maintain cool before and in the exam (e.g., drinking water, juice, thinking about how you will celebrate if you get a good score etc) - NEVER give up. Remember it is not so much about intelligence as it is about perseverance and planning. Schools don't want scientists, they want people who can think logically, plan clearly and communicate properly. Most of us have been working for years - we just have to channelize that energy towards GMAT. - For verbal practice, OG is THE book and this forum is extremely helpful. - Don't give Kaplan practice test just before actual GMAT. It tends to screw up the timing strategy. PP is the best before exam. Finally ..... ------------- This section of the forum about sharing GMAT experience is a real confidence booster. I wrote this long post because in past I have found long and detailed posts about exam experience to be very motivating . Hats off to all the guys on this post for their perseverance, helping attitude and never-say-die philosophy. I will start working on my applications. I will try to participate in the quant forum and see if I can add any value. If you need any further information, feel free to private message me. If I can, I will try to answer. Thanks and best of luck to all of you. You "WILL" succeed

hi mbahope- 1. Let me tell you area-wise: RC - I think, I wouldn't have made more then 1 error in any of the 4 passages. So, max. about 4 errors. CR - The level of difficulty was approximately the same as OG. I really don't have a hang of how many errors I would have made. But, I guess, it must be in line with OG performance of 80-90 percent accuracy. I was strongest in CR among all the verbal sections. SC - I guess, I was not sure about the exact answer for more then 50% of the cases . Again, in SC, I took more time per question then what I used to take in practive tests. 2. As I said above, CR level was almost same as in OG. However, it won't hurt to practice the Kaplan 800 CRs. The CR questions on this forum are good too. Again, as I have indicated in this post, don't get rattled by "bold faced" CR question. They take more time then other CRs - but they are not very difficult. Only problem is that there aren't many practice questions in any of the books

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oxon - Thanks for the wishes.

Paul - Yes. You were one of the first to wish me in my previous post where I just reported my score :-D

. Thanks again.

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Hi Aspire, time for another couple of questions!
1. Approximately how many total questions in the verbal section (out of total 41) did you think you got wrong or were unsure of?
2. What kind of difficulty level did you have in the CR? Can you remember how difficult (compared with GMAT 800 or OG) your most difficult CR seemed to you ?
Was it even comparable to the tough ones on the OG or was even tougher than the OG?

Thanks, you've already been a tremendous help!

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hi mbahope-

1. Let me tell you area-wise: RC - I think, I wouldn't have made more then 1 error in any of the 4 passages. So, max. about 4 errors. CR - The level of difficulty was approximately the same as OG. I really don't have a hang of how many errors I would have made. But, I guess, it must be in line with OG performance of 80-90 percent accuracy. I was strongest in CR among all the verbal sections. SC - I guess, I was not sure about the exact answer for more then 50% of the cases :oops:

. Again, in SC, I took more time per question then what I used to take in practive tests.

2. As I said above, CR level was almost same as in OG. However, it won't hurt to practice the Kaplan 800 CRs. The CR questions on this forum are good too. Again, as I have indicated in this post, don't get rattled by "bold faced" CR question. They take more time then other CRs - but they are not very difficult. Only problem is that there aren't many practice questions in any of the books [at least I couldn't find many]

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Thanks again!

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Hey aspire2005!

I took the GMATlast NOvember 13 as well and I scored in the 400++ range. Obviously, this is not a good score. In fact, I don't know what went wrong because I just took the Kaplan Classroom course and I practically did well in all the exercises and in the practice tests that I would get a flat 600. Would like to seek help as to how I can prepare better for the test to get a score of 700++ on my second try. I also would like to ask for advice on the duration of my study before I take the GMAT for the second time. Thank you so much!

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Hi cpcalanoc - It will be great if you can share what else you used for preparation apart from Kaplan and a little more information about your background, strengths and weaknesses. [You can send me private message if you want]. If you did only Kaplan then my first guess is that you timing strategy may be different from actual GMAT. [The difficulty level of Kaplan verbal section tends to be higher then actual GMAT].

Verbal: Did you use Official Guide? It is THE book for verbal. Again, the verbal section on this forum is a great place for practice. Did you use the Powerprep software by ETS?

Quant: Though I have never used it, I have seen Praetorian's comment that the "GMAT Lessons" section on this forum is a good place to start.

Duration of study: It really depends on your comfort level. I prepared for about 2-3 months. [you can read the complete story on this thread]. But because of my background I didn't have to do much preparation for Quant.

Finally - Did you take enough rest before the exam? Though sounds silly, if you didn't get enough sleep the previous day then it will impact your score.

Don't lose heart. You will see many people on this forum who have raised their score substantially due to there perseverance. So, give your best and give it another shot. :gl

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Hi aspire2005!

Thank you very much for your reply! I really appreciate you taking the time to respond to my query. Below are my answers to your questions regarding my GMAT preparations and my background.

1) GMAT preparations:

I basically saturated the KAPLAN Classroom Course. This includes Lesson Book, Reference for Additional Problems, Online Workshops, Online Quizzes, Practice Tests, and Kaplan CD Higher Score.

I did take the Powerprep software by ETS. I took them only a week before the real GMAT and compared to the Kaplan Practice Tests, I scored much higher in the sense that if I would always get 500++ in my Kaplan Practice Tests, I got 610 in my Powerprep tests. So I really do not know if Powerprep software by ETS is a good gauge of my actual performance in the GMAT. In fact, I do not know the proper timing and pacing to take the Kaplan Practice Tests and the ETS tests. What I did was to take Practice Tests once a week. Unfortunately, with the Kaplan Practice Tests, I would always get 600 flat.

I did not use Official Guide. But I do intend to purchase one soon. I just do not know if it is worth buying it to help me ace the test.

I did not resort to any other preparation (Pirnceton, etc) aside from Kaplan because I thought Kaplan was enough to equip me in preparing well for the test. I guess I was wrong.

I was thinking though of purchasing GMAT 800 (2004 - 2005) but I do not know if it is worth purchasing and how it will help me really be ready for the test, compared to the Kaplan resources I already saturated.

With how I was faring in my preparations for the GMAT, I would always do much better in terms of answering more questions but I would remain stable in my scores in the Kaplan Practice Tests. I do not know if this is already an indicator that I am not at all improving to ace the GMAT.

Moreover, I would not strictly keep track of the numbers I got wrong in. Although I would note the mistakes I made in certain numbers and try to memorize the formulas and techniques involved once I skim through the entire exercise set in which they are found, I do not keep a record of ALL of them, thinking that I would not make the same mistakes again. In fact, there was just too much wrong answers that I felt there was just too much for me to handle in terms of review. Sometimes, the next time I approach a problem of the same kind, I get it right already but there are other problems that I still get wrong in. I really do not know the best way to approach my difficulties in both math and verbal.

2) My background

I graduated with a degree in Management.

Basically, I am stronger in math but I guess in answering math questions, I tend to take a lot of time specifically in the problems that look complicated. I would take really long in questions that specifically involve probabilty, permutations, combinations, and higher degree of geometry. I also tend to take long in Data Sufficiency problems that involve higher degrees of math.

My verbal is quite weak, specifically in reading comprehension. I always end up being stuck between choosing the right answer and choosing the choice next to the right answer. Unfortunately, I more often than not choose the choice closest to the right answer. I do not know if there is something wrong with how I read and understand the passages or if I am missing on more appropriate techniques on reading actively. For Reading Cmprehension questions, i go directly to the questions and look for the answers in the passages. I do not know if this is better than reading the entire passage first and extracting as much summary from it before answering the questions.

Among all the verbal components of the GMAT, Sentence Correction is the easiest for me. However, the questions I got in the test were of medium difficulty that I also spent quite long per Sentence Correction question.

With Critical Reasoning, I am only able to hack the questions if I write down the conclusion and evidence and spend a huge amount of time seeng the link between the two to get the assumption. Though I am average in Critical Reasonng, my pacing is really long. In fact, I am also weak in Critical Reasoning questions that ask you to identify the significance of the text in bold.

I really do hope you can help me sort out the things I can do to get started in reviewing for the GMAT.

I look forward to your reply. Thanks so much!
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Hi cpcalanoc -

I am listing out some things below. See if it helps. First, some key points -

1. For verbal section Official Guide is the best book available. You MUST buy it. The explanations provided for SC and CR are very good. Make sure you understand exaplanation of every question that you answer incorrectly.

2. Keep the error log. If you do all your practice tests in one notebook you will automatically have an error log. Most of the people on this forum can tell you that error log is very helpful in long run.

3. Don't trust the Kaplan CAT test scores or for that matter any practice test score. It is completely weird. Powerprep is somewhat better. But the quant section is easier then actual test.

Now some details -

Practice tests:
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Don't focus too much on Kaplan practice tests. They are not representatice of the actual test. You should be clear about why you are giving the 4 hour practice tests - to develop stamina and be comfortable with the format so that in the real test you can focus on the questions rather then the format. Try to ignore the scores you get in those practice tests. I know it is easier said then done...... but at least try. [I wanted to burn the laptop after every practice test :-D

]. Again, at the end of the test look at the explanation of each question that you answered incorrectly.

One more objective of these practice tests is to identify weak areas. Is it CR or SC or DS.... and then you can focus to improve that area.

Though I have used practice tests of only Kaplan and PowerPrep, you can try some others e.g., PR and Manhattan GMAT. There are some reviews available in this forum. I don't really know the quality of these tests.

Verbal
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OG is the BEST resource available for verbal sections. I suggest try doing 10-15 questions from each of the verbal sections in timed condition. Again, keep an error log. It is frustrating at times when you don't see improvement for few days. But after a couple of weeks you will see the improvement. So, don't give up.

PR is also a good resource for verbal. But only after OG.

RC: The approach of skimming though or looking at questions first and then finding the answer in passage never worked for me. I used to get lost. So, started reading the passage in detail and scribble notes for each paragraph. At the end of reading think about the passage for 10 seconds and then move on to questions. After some time you tend to develop a rythm. It becomes like - passage reading 3-4 min, each questions 1-1.5 min etc. You don't even have to look at clock. I found this approach much better. Give it a try and see if it works for you.

SC: Again - OG is the best. You can use the verbal section of this forum for practice. You can see a lot of good explanations in the forum. I found the Princeton Review concepts much easier to use then Kaplan. Anyway that's my opinion :roll:

CR: Same again - OG is the best. Try the process of elimination. You can see a lot of good CR questions on verbal section of this forum too.

Quant
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Kaplan is good. OG is very easy. However last 50 questions of DS in OG are good. But otherwise the quant questions in OG are not at all representitive of what you will see in the actual exam. I will suggest stick to Kaplan.

Though I have not used it, some people in this forum metioned that the "GMAT Lessions" section on this forum is good starting point. Again you can see a lot of good questions in the Math section of this forum.

FYI - I may not be the right person to advice on quant section as I did very little preparation for quant :roll:

Finally, you will see a lot of posts where people improved their score by more then 200 points. So, don't let the result upset you. You are from a management background - so, I am sure, you can plan out things and become a success story soon :lol:

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I hope I answered all the questions.

Otherwise feel free to reply back or send a private message to me.

Wishing you luck.

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Greetings again aspire!

Thanks so much for taking the time to answer all my questions. I will consider your suggestions.

I do have a question though on having an error log. Is it basically taking note of all the questions you got wrong in and finding out the explanations of each?

I hope you can shed light on how the error log is supposed to be used for me to effectively do much better as i move on in my preparation.

Thank you!

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Aspire, I hope you don't mind me answering here :shock:

Hi cpcalanoc, click on the following link and you will see how an error log is supposed to be useful:

https://www.gmatclub.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=11754

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Hey Paul - Thanks for the link buddy :beer

You are always bang on the point :lol:

cpcalanoc - That link provides some good information about use of error log.

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Good Job and good tip for all of us.
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Hi aspire,

Your name said it all. You deserve the best .
Congratulations to you. I hope you will get into a good school.
Your posts have helped me a lot.

Cheers,
Anand. :band

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