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A genius? A Vayner? 12 May 2008, 02:45
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Ahahaha! I just stumbled upon a really fantastic guy! I haven't had so much fun ever since the Alexey Vayner Affair.

Here's an answer posted by a certain Richard Tabor Greene (apparently a Professor of Knowledge and Creativity Management at Kwansei Gakuin University) in LinkedIn Answers (since it's MBA-related, I will reproduce it fully:

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Only two MBA programs in the world responded to the Japanese challenge of the 1980s fundamentally, by restructuring their entire MBA experience--Sloan at MIT and McGill. All the others kept the economics first, finance first bias that made for the current global disaster and many future ones. However, Sloan and McGill are heartily embracing the banal, vulgar, venal, shallow culture of Americans and American businessmen, in particular, the swinging glands monkey-hierarchy crap that makes innovation levels so petty in US firms in spite of much boasting, bragging, braggadocio, pompous posing, and self inflation. The top 10 business schools in the United States produce monsters as graduates--truly spiritually, socially, psychically, crippled stunted facsimiles of human beings. Just try staying awake during lunch conversations with any of these pompous self promotatory bastards they now produce!!!!!! Talking to a dog turd is far more enlightening and morale boosting!!!!!

Secondly, and this is both profound and profoundly underestimated--ONLY STANFORD got business culture right--not MIT, not McGill and certainly no program in Europe. That is, Stanford and Stanford alone installed a feminine culture on campus in their business program--a culture of sharing not hoarding information, of forming deep personal friendships on campus as the basis for venture founder sets, and a culture of encouraging idea theft and copying, not idea hoarding--so that flows of people, of funds, of ideas, of technologies, of resources intersect in swirls till they each find "homes" in Silicon Valley but NOT in route 128 and NOT around Cambridge and Oxford and NOT around INSEAD and IMD--because those places have blue suit monkey cultures not t shirt human cultures, those places look always upward into the ass of the higher rank monkey not look horizontal to customers and suppliers, those places hoard to get ahead not share to get ahead. Only Stanford got the culture thing right--productivity and innovativity are ALWAYS gotten ONLY by feminizing systems of work. See my book, purchasable on https://www.youpublish.com/richard-tabor-greene Getting Real About Creativity in Business for details.

Thirdly, and this is really profound--technology and technical change are ONLY growing bigger and growing faster in speed in our futures--so MOST of "management" will be either dumb ass morons with silly slight levels of math such as MBA programs teach trying desperately to understand systems newly invented, or it will be technically smart, math powerful engineering types leading and managing systems with huge growing technical contents. You see--it used to be that technology was cul-de-sac-able, isolatable, so you assigned nerds to handle it--now it is everywhere, very big, and determining nearly all business outcomes--so the idea of Harvard math-light-heads (Harvard's MBA courses teach mostly high school levels, in Japan, of math) managing MIT engineers is old, passe, useless. Technology is too big and growing too fast and both of those will get very much worse in the future--the future of management is people with excellent ability to deeply grasp any new technology and an excellent set of CEO-like social skills for lying and pampering and manipulating pschopathologically and charming and selling. The nerd engineer has NO hope because technology touches people everywhere in business and the light-head humanities Harvard guy has no hope because without deep abiding understanding of technology his "managing" become periperal as technology invades all processes everywhere in markets, businesses, lifestyles, and the economy.

So there IS no one good choice--go anywhere BUT Stanford and you get swinging glands male culture stupidities that stymie and ruin ventures, go anywhere but McGill and Sloan and you get the same old finance bias that missed how to compete with Japan and how to handle the internet, go anywhere but Sloan no tech!!!
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https://www.linkedin.com/answers/career- ... ack=%2Ehom

I was intrigued with who this person is and found more RTG's pearls of wisdom:
- on reading: https://chronicle.com/review/brainstorm/index.php?id=238
- on building a library: https://chronicle.com/forums/index.php?P ... ic=45329.0
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Later, when I got my first academic job, 2 years before my PHD was complete, at the University of Chicago Grad School of Business, without applying for the job at all, and after demanding that they double their initial salary offer, the Dean called me into his office for chastizing--I was the most expensive faculty move in the history, not only of the B school, but of the entire university! 22,000 books in 250+ boxes had made moving me from Rochester New York more expensive than moving 4 Nobel Laureates. He demanded and later got, from me, a photo of my personal library--completely filling all walls and middle room shelves in two rooms of my 4 bedroom apartment in Regent's Park by the lake.
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To the best of my knowledge, there are no 4b units in Regents. Another exaggeration by RTG?
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While the post is way over-the-top and filled with generalizations, the point at the core is a genuine one. I think in some respects, business culture too often requires following the top instead of thinking for ourselves.

But the point is so lost in his school bashing, it's hard to give it much credence. If only Stanford provides the tools, I guess we should all look to Terry for guidance in a couple years. :wink:

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I saw some of his other answers on Linked in. He seems like a self-loving, employee bashing, "hater of all things".
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Wow! Also:

https://www.tagged.com/richard_the_greene

(Also, Well, I went and looked - there is no Richard Greene in the alumni database. The guy sounds completely nuts.)
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Did anyone else find his manner of writing extremely convoluted? I'm pitying whoever had to read his multi-page PhD thesis...

"...boasting, bragging, braggadocio, pompous posing, and self inflation"

Redundancy much? I take it this fellow doesn't understand the beauty that is "an economy of words".
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After a brief browsing of Rhyme's posted link... this guy most certainly does not understand the concept. Woah.

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Redundancy much? I take it this fellow doesn't understand the beauty that is "an economy of words".
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Hmmm, I would have thought GSB would have higher standards for teachers. Guy seems like a complete wack job.
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This Fall, I'm using ALL my bid points to get into his class!

If nothing else, I bet I'll be able to get some tips on how to bring my (nonexistent) MySpace page from awesome to certifiable.

Helg, AWESOME find. :-D Haven't laughed that much since, well...Alexei Vaynor. Impossible is nothing, indeed!
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I am highly perturbed by the RTG posts about reading and libraries. :?
For someone who supposes himself to be a moral champion for learning, he sure does seem to enjoy flaunting his status based on how much money he spends ordering books on Amazon.

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I was Borders' bookstore largest single customer in Ann Arbor, Michigan for 9 years in a row while there, often during those years, on a below-average RA or TA stipend. Then I became Amazon.com's largest single customer worldwide for single copy orders of books, for many but not all subsequent years.
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My long term post-MBA endgame is to actually build custom libraries and museums. God forbid I'll have to deal with people as incoherently arrogant as this guy.
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God forbid I'll have to deal with people as incoherently arrogant as this guy.
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Hahaha! FairPlay, didn't I tell you already, you do magic with words? :-D
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A genius? A Vayner? 13 May 2008, 20:23
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Hahah, Thanks Helg!

Unfortunately I must confess that I have mostly used this power for evil... namely, I get asked by girl pals to provide final edits for their nasty emails to boys who stand them up or forget to call. You know, to sprinkle in that extra dose of venom or contempt. :twisted:

To atone for my past wrongdoings upon malekind, I am seeking to write for good now, and tell the tales of life as an MBA. Will let you all know if it comes to fruition!
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Hahah, Thanks Helg!

Unfortunately I must confess that I have mostly used this power for evil... namely, I get asked by girl pals to provide final edits for their nasty emails to boys who stand them up or forget to call. You know, to sprinkle in that extra dose of venom or contempt. :twisted:

To atone for my past wrongdoings upon malekind, I am seeking to write for good now, and tell the tales of life as an MBA. Will let you all know if it comes to fruition!
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Do you plan to run an MBA blog or anything else? I will be interested to read.
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Another gem from the guru:

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Carnegie Mellon is a tier 2 university that desperately wants to become a tier 1 university--like MIT, Stanford, Cal Tech, Harvard. As such, it is extreme and narrow and pharasaical--torturing assistant professors more than any other college, forcing publishing of many silly trite research articles more than other colleges, and forcing the getting of meaningless grants for meaningless research projects of tiny topic and infinitesimal social impact more than other colleges. Into this atmosphere of super-effort of the second raters come hordes of innocent students of various stages in life's lifecycles.

The problem with Carnegie Mellon MBA is twofold: one, from the above, a certain pettiness overall to the mindset and style of the faculty (where MIT and U of Chicago and Stanford folks are self confident enough to ignore general academic publishing and grant criteria and take a chance on mavericks and loners, CM seeks only the mainstream petty faculty that will boost their publishing and grant numbers till they reach nirvana--tier one status; two, CM's MBA does not really do business well and does not really do technology well because it tries too hard to do both well. It is neither business nor tech but melange. If you as a student are a bit vague and spread confusingly in career terms, CM will only deepen your problem.

On the other hand, top 10 tier 1 business schools have consistently taught subjects 20 to 30 years AFTER people made lots of money with them--TQM taught 15 years after 12 major US industries were destroyed by the Japanese; venturing taught 30 years after thousands of them made Silicon Valley famous, and so on. NOR OTHER INSTITUTION IN THIS WORLD CAN GUARANTEE TO MAKE YOUR MIND 30 YEARS OUT OF DATE as well as a top 10 MBA program.

If you are "in need" of a top ten MBA you are too stupid to ever work for me. I consider interest in such programs proof of profound "out of it"ness in an employee and it makes me wonder if he has all his marbles or not. I prefer funding my employees to take graduate literature or philosophy degrees (in conjunction with entertainment tech or system bio or evolutionary computing applied degrees). Speaking one's language wonderfully does FAR more for a business and a career than some damn machine crap that males flee to because they are lousy at emotion and social relationships.
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Hmm, he's a bit crazy.

It's true the Japanese industry does not really value MBA's and they have been succesful without it, because their leadership programs are based upon respect, experience, and job rotation so that you learn all the necessary components of the companies culture at a practical level. However, this was in the days when a job was deemed to be for life, so switching companies was not something someone did.

In todays world, in Japan, the same mentality holds true within industry. The MBA is used as a business analysis qualification, so you wouldn't get into management any quicker, but you can get more interesting roles (if analysis is your thing). Outside of Industry, finance and consulting, MBA's are still generally the way to get in.