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Politician P: My opponent claims that the government is obligated to raise taxes to increase funding for schools and health care. Because raising taxes to increase funding for schools and health care would make taxpayers upset over their loss of buying power, my opponent is simply mistaken.
Politician P's reasoning is questionable because it involves
(A) presupposing that a claim is mistaken on the grounds that the person defending it advocates other unpopular views
(B) assuming that a claim is false on the grounds that the person defending it is of questionable character
(C) concluding that a view is false on the grounds that its implementation would lead to unhappiness
(D) appealing to wholly irrelevant issues to deflect attention away from the real issue
(E) insisting that an obligation exists without offering any evidence that it exists

Why or Why not A?

OA to follow after discussion

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Originally posted by joshnsit on 25 Oct 2013, 17:06.
Last edited by joshnsit on 26 Oct 2013, 08:52, edited 1 time in total.
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joshnsit wrote:
Politician P: My opponent claims that the government is obligated to raise taxes to increase funding for schools and health care. Because raising taxes to increase funding for schools and health care would make taxpayers upset over their loss of buying power, my opponent is simply mistaken.
Politician P's reasoning is questionable because it involves
(A) presupposing that a claim is mistaken on the grounds that the person defending it advocates other unpopular views
(B) assuming that a claim is false on the grounds that the person defending it is of questionable character
(C) concluding that a view is false on the grounds that its implementation would lead to unhappiness
(D) appealing to wholly irrelevant issues to deflect attention away from the real issue
(E) insisting that an obligation exists without offering any evidence that it exists

Why or Why not A?

OA to follow after discussion



The argument does not say "other unpopular views", furthermore, A implies that the conclusion of the main argument is unpopular.
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IMO C.

(A) presupposing that a claim is mistaken on the grounds that the person defending it advocates other unpopular views--- Incorrect because we dont know whether funding for schools and health care is unpopular.
(B) assuming that a claim is false on the grounds that the person defending it is of questionable character--- There is nothing stated about the character of the opponent.
(C) concluding that a view is false on the grounds that its implementation would lead to unhappiness--- CORRECT, because this is exactly what Politician P says. He rejects the funding because it would make the public upset.
(D) appealing to wholly irrelevant issues to deflect attention away from the real issue--- We have no information whether funding is the real issue. Funding could also be an irrelevant issue.
(E) insisting that an obligation exists without offering any evidence that it exists--- The opponent claims that the government has an obligation not Politician P. Politician P never says that government has an obligation to do anything.
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joshnsit wrote:
Politician P: My opponent claims that the government is obligated to raise taxes to increase funding for schools and health care. Because raising taxes to increase funding for schools and health care would make taxpayers upset over their loss of buying power, my opponent is simply mistaken.
Politician P's reasoning is questionable because it involves
(A) presupposing that a claim is mistaken on the grounds that the person defending it advocates other unpopular views
(B) assuming that a claim is false on the grounds that the person defending it is of questionable character
(C) concluding that a view is false on the grounds that its implementation would lead to unhappiness
(D) appealing to wholly irrelevant issues to deflect attention away from the real issue
(E) insisting that an obligation exists without offering any evidence that it exists

Why or Why not A?

OA to follow after discussion
The argument does not say "other unpopular views", furthermore, A implies that the conclusion of the main argument is unpopular.
Cant I say "other unpopular views = 1) raising taxes to increase funding for schools & 2) raising taxes to increase funding for healthcare"?
I am sorry but I couldn't understand how conclusion("my opponent is simply mistaken") of argument of Politician P is unpopular. Pls elaborate.
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IMO C.

(A) presupposing that a claim is mistaken on the grounds that the person defending it advocates other unpopular views--- Incorrect because we dont know whether funding for schools and health care is unpopular.
(B) assuming that a claim is false on the grounds that the person defending it is of questionable character--- There is nothing stated about the character of the opponent.
(C) concluding that a view is false on the grounds that its implementation would lead to unhappiness--- CORRECT, because this is exactly what Politician P says. He rejects the funding because it would make the public upset.
(D) appealing to wholly irrelevant issues to deflect attention away from the real issue--- We have no information whether funding is the real issue. Funding could also be an irrelevant issue.
(E) insisting that an obligation exists without offering any evidence that it exists--- The opponent claims that the government has an obligation not Politician P. Politician P never says that government has an obligation to do anything.
Shouldn't people be unhappy and upset (as mentioned by you in explanation of C) because of an unpopular view (as mentioned in your explanation of A) of raising taxes?

I see words unhappy/upset in choice C as much as unpredictable and non-inferential as the word unpopular in choice A. Please let me know if I am missing any pieces here.
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My opponent claims that the government is obligated to raise taxes to increase funding for schools and health care – Opponents view – premise

Because raising taxes to increase funding for schools and health care would make taxpayers upset over their loss of buying power – Politician Claim to refute Opponent’s Claim

Conclusion – My opponent is simply mistaken.

Which answer choice will weaken the reasoning of Politician P:-

Choice A – presupposing that a claim(Opponent’s Claim, premise-1) is mistaken on the grounds that the person defending it advocates other unpopular views - raising funds for school and health care are not unpopular views, the argument does not indicate any thing about this, so Choice A is incorrect.

Choice B – assuming that a claim is false on the grounds that the person defending it is of questionable character - Out of Scope, the opponent is not a questionable character, so Choice B is incorrect.

Choice C - concluding that a view is false on the grounds that its implementation would lead to unhappiness – This choice is mentioned in the argument, so this should be the answer, Choice C is correct.

Choice D - appealing to wholly irrelevant issues to deflect attention away from the real issue – It is not mentioned that loss of buying power is irrelevant issue, so this choice is out of scope.

Choice E - insisting that an obligation exists without offering any evidence that it exists – Out of Scope

Correct Choice should be C
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joshnsit wrote:
akashb106 wrote:
IMO C.

(A) presupposing that a claim is mistaken on the grounds that the person defending it advocates other unpopular views--- Incorrect because we dont know whether funding for schools and health care is unpopular.
(B) assuming that a claim is false on the grounds that the person defending it is of questionable character--- There is nothing stated about the character of the opponent.
(C) concluding that a view is false on the grounds that its implementation would lead to unhappiness--- CORRECT, because this is exactly what Politician P says. He rejects the funding because it would make the public upset.
(D) appealing to wholly irrelevant issues to deflect attention away from the real issue--- We have no information whether funding is the real issue. Funding could also be an irrelevant issue.
(E) insisting that an obligation exists without offering any evidence that it exists--- The opponent claims that the government has an obligation not Politician P. Politician P never says that government has an obligation to do anything.
Shouldn't people be unhappy and upset (as mentioned by you in explanation of C) because of an unpopular view (as mentioned in your explanation of A) of raising taxes?

I see words unhappy/upset in choice C as much as unpredictable and non-inferential as the word unpopular in choice A. Please let me know if I am missing any pieces here.


The argument in its premise -2 mentions the word "upset" so where is the question of unpredicable and non-inferential.

From premise-1 you cannot inferred that raising tax for funding school and health care is unpopular, also no where in the argument you will get this clue, the analysis should be limited to the scope mentioned in the argument.
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joshnsit wrote:
akashb106 wrote:
IMO C.

(A) presupposing that a claim is mistaken on the grounds that the person defending it advocates other unpopular views--- Incorrect because we dont know whether funding for schools and health care is unpopular.
(B) assuming that a claim is false on the grounds that the person defending it is of questionable character--- There is nothing stated about the character of the opponent.
(C) concluding that a view is false on the grounds that its implementation would lead to unhappiness--- CORRECT, because this is exactly what Politician P says. He rejects the funding because it would make the public upset.
(D) appealing to wholly irrelevant issues to deflect attention away from the real issue--- We have no information whether funding is the real issue. Funding could also be an irrelevant issue.
(E) insisting that an obligation exists without offering any evidence that it exists--- The opponent claims that the government has an obligation not Politician P. Politician P never says that government has an obligation to do anything.
Shouldn't people be unhappy and upset (as mentioned by you in explanation of C) because of an unpopular view (as mentioned in your explanation of A) of raising taxes?

I see words unhappy/upset in choice C as much as unpredictable and non-inferential as the word unpopular in choice A. Please let me know if I am missing any pieces here.


Hey,

Why I eliminated A is because the passage does not suggest popularity of the views. It could be that funding of schools and health care could be popular or unpopular. At the same time the politician claim of not supporting the funding could be popular or unpopular.
We have no information that can help us judge which view (politician's or opponent's) is unpopular and which is popular.

C on the other hand is directly stated in the passage that the implementation would lead to unhappiness. Unhappiness=upset is what the tax payer feels with the loss of buying power.

Hope it helps.
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joshnsit wrote:
sondenso wrote:
joshnsit wrote:
Politician P: My opponent claims that the government is obligated to raise taxes to increase funding for schools and health care. Because raising taxes to increase funding for schools and health care would make taxpayers upset over their loss of buying power, my opponent is simply mistaken.
Politician P's reasoning is questionable because it involves
(A) presupposing that a claim is mistaken on the grounds that the person defending it advocates other unpopular views
(B) assuming that a claim is false on the grounds that the person defending it is of questionable character
(C) concluding that a view is false on the grounds that its implementation would lead to unhappiness
(D) appealing to wholly irrelevant issues to deflect attention away from the real issue
(E) insisting that an obligation exists without offering any evidence that it exists

Why or Why not A?

OA to follow after discussion
The argument does not say "other unpopular views", furthermore, A implies that the conclusion of the main argument is unpopular.
Cant I say "other unpopular views = 1) raising taxes to increase funding for schools & 2) raising taxes to increase funding for healthcare"?
I am sorry but I couldn't understand how conclusion("my opponent is simply mistaken") of argument of Politician P is unpopular. Pls elaborate.


Actually, A implies that the conclusion/view of the opponent is unpopular. Sory for that. And maybe you get the point that PP raises only one view, not more than 1 view, so where are "other views"?. Furthermore, PP does not say which view is popular and which others are unpopular?
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sondenso wrote:
joshnsit wrote:
sondenso wrote:
The argument does not say "other unpopular views", furthermore, A implies that the conclusion of the main argument is unpopular.
Cant I say "other unpopular views = 1) raising taxes to increase funding for schools & 2) raising taxes to increase funding for healthcare"?
I am sorry but I couldn't understand how conclusion("my opponent is simply mistaken") of argument of Politician P is unpopular. Pls elaborate.


Actually, A implies that the conclusion/view of the opponent is unpopular. Sory for that. And maybe you get the point that PP raises only one view, not more than 1 view, so where are "other views"?. Furthermore, PP does not say which view is popular and which others are unpopular?
@sodenso, I hope you meant : A) presupposing that a claim(raising taxes to increase funding for schools and health care) is mistaken on the grounds that the person defending it (Politician's opponent) advocates other unpopular views

I couldnt cancel A just because of views because I split the justified the provided view in premise as 1) raising taxes to increase funding for schools & 2) raising taxes to increase funding for healthcare".
I might have overthought on this, but not sure :) if my approach was wrong.

@akashb, amitbharadwaj7
Got the point.. :x I definitely missed "upset" in Premise 2 and realized this with your comments.
I shouldn't have considered causal relationship between upset and unpopular. Upset and Unhappy(in C) clearly resonates with each other.

OA is C.
Thanks for helpful discussion.
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