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In some types of pine tree, a thick layer of needles, protects the buds form which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well.

A) a thick layer of needles, protects the buds form which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well
B) a thick needle layer protects buds from where new growth proceeds, so that they can withstand forest fires relatively well
C) a thick layer of needles protect the buds from which new growth proceeds; thus, they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires
D) since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick layer needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well
E) because the buds where new growth happens are protected by a thick layer of needles, they are able to withstand forest fires relatively easily as a result

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There are two types of modifiers in the sentence- 'which' and 'where'

Where can only refer to place and not to thing. Hence 'where' can not refer to buds. B and E are out.

C) a thick layer of needles protect the buds from which new growth proceeds; thus, they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires. 'withstand relatively well any forest fires' must be 'withstand forest fires relatively well '
D) In some types of pine tree,since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick layer needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well. run on sentence

A is the answer
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septwibowo wrote:

I remember your lesson about pronoun in two clauses : GMAT always follows a pattern that pronoun as a Subject in the second clause must have an antecedent in the form of Subject in the first clause.

Using this reasoning, I eliminated A and chose D. Is my reasoning wrong here?

Thank you!

Whoa, easy with the extreme language! I didn't say that the GMAT always follows that pattern, or that the subject in the second clause must refer back to the subject of the first clause. The idea is that if the subject of the second clause is a pronoun, it CAN refer back to the subject of the first clause -- even if there are a ton of other potential referents in the sentence.

Here's a variation on the example I used in the webinar:

    Cucumbers are more expensive than tomatoes in grocery stores in Western states, and they also taste like poo.

On the face of things, "they" looks ambiguous: the pronoun could refer to "states", "stores", "tomatoes", or "cucumbers." But this sort of construction appears occasionally on the GMAT, and the exam doesn't seem to have a problem with it: because "they" is the subject of the second clause, it CAN refer back to the subject of the first clause, with no worries about ambiguity.

But that doesn't mean that the 2nd subject ALWAYS refers back to the subject of the 1st clause. It certainly doesn't have to. It's just that in a sentence like my cucumber example, you don't really have to worry about pronoun ambiguity.

For anybody that didn't already suffer through it, the full webinar on pronouns is available here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhN_KU1bSKU

I hope this helps!
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In some types of pine tree, a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well.


(A) a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well

(B) a thick needle layer protects buds from where new growth proceeds, so that they can withstand forest fires relatively well

(C) a thick layer of needles protect the buds from which new growth proceeds; thus, they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires

(D) since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well

(E) because the buds where new growth happens are protected by a thick layer of needles, they are able to withstand forest fires relatively easily as a result


Meaning is crucial to solving this problem:
Understanding the intended meaning is key to solving this question; the intended meaning of this sentence is that in some types of pine trees, a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds, and as a result, the pine trees are able to withstand forest fires relatively well.

Concepts tested here: Subject-Verb Agreement + Meaning + Pronouns + Redundancy/Awkwardness

• “where” is only used to refer to a physical location.

A: Correct. This answer choice correctly refers to the singular noun “layer” with the singular verb “protects”. Further, Option A uses the phrase “consequently, they are”, conveying the intended meaning – that in some types of pine trees, a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds, and as a result, the pine trees are able to withstand forest fires relatively well. Additionally, Option A correctly refers to the noun “buds” with the “which” phrase “from which”. Besides, Option A is free of any awkwardness or redundancy.

B: Trap. This answer choice incorrectly refers to the noun “buds” with the pronoun phrase “from where”; please remember, “where” is only used to refer to a physical location. Further, Option B alters the meaning of the sentence through the phrase “so that”; the construction of this phrase incorrectly implies that in some types of pine trees, a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds, in order to ensure that the pine trees are able to withstand forest fires relatively well; the intended meaning is that in some types of pine trees, a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds, and as a result, the pine trees are able to withstand forest fires relatively well.

C: This answer choice incorrectly refers to the singular noun “layer” with the plural verb “protect”.

D: This answer choice redundantly uses “since”, “consequently”, and “therefore” alongside one another; this usage is redundant, as all three convey the same meaning. Further, Option D uses the passive voice construction “are protected”, leading to further awkwardness and redundancy.

E: This answer choice incorrectly refers to the noun “buds” with the pronoun phrase “from where”; please remember, “where” is only used to refer to a physical location. Further, Option E redundantly uses “because”, and “as a result” alongside each other; this usage is redundant, as both convey the same meaning. Additionally, Option E uses the passive voice construction “are protected”, leading to further awkwardness and redundancy.

Hence, A is the best answer choice.

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First split - protects vs protect
Since in all the answer choices we are referring to “thick layer” hence the verb should be singular i.e. protects
Eliminate -> C

Second split - thick layer or needles vs thick needle layer
First one looks better to me as the sentence implies thick layer (it could also imply thick layer of “thin” needles here )
Eliminate -> B

Option to consider A, D and E
Option E -> where is generally used to refer to the geographical place and hence looks wrong to me when it modifies buds (in which could have been used).

Between A and D, whenever two independent clauses are joined by conjunctive adverb (consequently in this case) semi-colon is used. Hence D can be eliminated.

Option A looks best of all.
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Ok per your analysis what is verb in D? Is it non-run-on sentence per your analysis?
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Ok per your analysis what is verb in D? Is it non-run-on sentence per your analysis?


In some types of pine tree, a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well.

Option D)

In some types of pine tree, since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick layer needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well

The structure that D follows is as below:
Prepositional Modifier, Since [Dependent Clause], Independent Clause

Also, the part in bold represents the subject-verb pair in both the clauses!
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Ok per your analysis what is verb in D? Is it non-run-on sentence per your analysis?


In D and E , I don't find any subject verb problem.

But remember, GMAC usually prefers sentences which are

1. in Active form
2. Clear and short(meaning Not Awkward)

Both D and E are in passive form while we have an answer choice in active form which is not incorrect grammatically and logically. Hence, A is preferred over D and E.

Also, E has 'where' and as per GMAC rules, where is used only for Places.

Always find the BEST answer out of those given, if not 100% accurate.

o, A is the BEST answer choice out of 5 given
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AbdurRakib wrote:
In some types of pine tree, a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well.

A) a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well
B) a thick needle layer protects buds from where new growth proceeds, so that they can withstand forest fires relatively well
C) a thick layer of needles protect the buds from which new growth proceeds; thus, they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires
D) since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick layer needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well
E) because the buds where new growth happens are protected by a thick layer of needles, they are able to withstand forest fires relatively easily as a result

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A) seems fine
B) POE SVA issue [a thick...] singular subject must agree with a singular verb [protects] not [protect]
C) POE Same issue as B
D) POE Since, consequently, therefore - makes the sentence very redundant.
E) POE [where from new growth happens] should be which because buds are not a place [relatively well as a result] sounds a lot more redundant than [relatively well]
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AbdurRakib wrote:
In some types of pine tree, a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well.

A) a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well
B) a thick needle layer protects buds from where new growth proceeds, so that they can withstand forest fires relatively well
C) a thick layer of needles protect the buds from which new growth proceeds; thus, they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires
D) since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick layer needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well
E) because the buds where new growth happens are protected by a thick layer of needles, they are able to withstand forest fires relatively easily as a result

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In some types of pine tree, a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well.

A) a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well
Correct
B) a thick needle layer protects buds from where new growth proceeds, so that they can withstand forest fires relatively well
-- Use of where is wrong
C) a thick layer of needles protect the buds from which new growth proceeds; thus, they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires
-- A thick layer(Singular)..... Protect(Plural) SV number agreement error
D) since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick layer needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well
-- Therefore is redundant
E) because the buds where new growth happens are protected by a thick layer of needles, they are able to withstand forest fires relatively easily as a result
-- use of where is wrong.

Am i correct , pls comment
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AbdurRakib wrote:
In some types of pine tree, a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well.

A) a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well
B) a thick needle layer protects buds from where new growth proceeds, so that they can withstand forest fires relatively well
C) a thick layer of needles protect the buds from which new growth proceeds; thus, they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires
D) since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick layer needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well
E) because the buds where new growth happens are protected by a thick layer of needles, they are able to withstand forest fires relatively easily as a result

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I think this is a rather decent questions because I initially disregarded option A only to come back and realize it is the best option.

Reasons:

A - Thought the semi colon was awkward at first but came to realize that 1) it is grammatically correct because the clause that follows in an independent clause 2) the ending of the sentence is very elegant

B - Changes the meaning. the original sentence states that the growth of the needs is a consequence not the reason why they grow

C - The ending of the sentence they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires is incredibly awkward

D - D is even more awkward than C

E - What is the antecedent for they? very ambiguous. Also the ending easily as a result gives me nightmares.

Hope this helps. I know it helps me personally by writing out my explanations.
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I saw the "well" is moving around.
Can explain what's wrong with "withstand forest fires relatively well" and "withstand relatively well forest fires).
I thought "well" is an adjective, modifying the word forest fire.
Relatively is adverb, modifying well.
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I saw the "well" is moving around.
Can explain what's wrong with "withstand forest fires relatively well" and "withstand relatively well forest fires).
I thought "well" is an adjective, modifying the word forest fire.
Relatively is adverb, modifying well.


"Well" is an adverb here, modifying the verb phrase "withstand forest fires." "Well" is always an adverb, unless we're talking about health. (Example: "After a long struggle with hemorrhoids, Mike is well again." "Well" is an adjective in this case, describing Mike -- but you're very unlikely to see this usage on the GMAT.) Here's another example that gets into the difference between "good" (an adjective) and "well" (usually an adverb): https://gmatclub.com/forum/on-the-tourn ... 21371.html

In this question, the placement of "well" is clearer when it comes after "forest fires." In A, B, and D, it's clear that "well" modifies the entire phrase "withstand forest fires"; in C, it's a little bit less clear, because it's harder to figure out what, exactly, the pine trees withstand.

But the placement of "well" really isn't a big deal, to be honest. Notice that there's really no good reason to care about the placement of "well" in this question. C is the only answer choice that puts the word "well" in an awkward location, but C also has a terrible subject-verb error. So the placement of "well" really isn't the deciding factor.

I hope this helps!
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Can someone please help me understand what sentence correction topic "from which" applies to? As a native English speaker, I've spent hours trying to figure out why this is correct: "a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds". I thought the phrase is "x protects y from z". I still don't understand what the buds are being protected from. Are the buds being protected from "which new growth proceeds"? If I said, "The armor protects the man from danger", that makes sense. If I said, "The armor protects the man from which new hope proceeds", the meaning of the sentence is not clear.
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In some types of pine tree, a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well.

(A) a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well

(B) a thick needle layer protects buds from where new growth proceeds, so that they can withstand forest fires relatively well

(C) a thick layer of needles protect the buds from which new growth proceeds; thus, they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires

(D) since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick layer needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well

(E) because the buds where new growth happens are protected by a thick layer of needles, they are able to withstand forest fires relatively easily as a result


Dear GMATNinja , need your help here.

I remember your lesson about pronoun in two clauses : GMAT always follows a pattern that pronoun as a Subject in the second clause must have an antecedent in the form of Subject in the first clause.

Using this reasoning, I eliminated A and chose D. Is my reasoning wrong here?

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Can someone please help me understand what sentence correction topic "from which" applies to? As a native English speaker, I've spent hours trying to figure out why this is correct: "a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds". I thought the phrase is "x protects y from z". I still don't understand what the buds are being protected from. Are the buds being protected from "which new growth proceeds"? If I said, "The armor protects the man from danger", that makes sense. If I said, "The armor protects the man from which new hope proceeds", the meaning of the sentence is not clear.

Sure, you could say that "x protects y from z." You could also say "new growth proceeds from buds" -- so then it would be completely fine to say "the buds from which new growth proceeds."

In other words: there's no reason to assume that the word "from" has anything at all to do with "protects" in this particular construction.

I hope this helps!
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I could narrow down the options to A and B , I thought A cannot be the answer because of the use of which. here which can refer to what?? can someone help me with this. Thank you
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I could narrow down the options to A and B , I thought A cannot be the answer because of the use of which. here which can refer to what?? can someone help me with this. Thank you

A couple of related examples:

  • The city in which I live has more than 120 breweries. --> "in which I live" describes the city; in other words, I live in a certain city, and it has more than 120 breweries
  • The website for which I write SC explanations was created by a friendly Ukrainian genius. --> "for which I write SC explanations" describes "the website"; in other words, I write SC explanations for a certain website, and that website was created by a friendly Ukrainian genius ;)

On to the answer choice (A)...
Quote:
In some types of pine tree, a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well.

Using the same logic as my examples above, "from which new growth proceeds" describes "the buds." In other words, new growth proceeds from the buds -- and the sentence is telling us that a thick layer of needles protects those buds.

I also address this issue -- somewhat indirectly -- in this post: https://gmatclub.com/forum/in-some-type ... l#p1984130

I hope this helps!
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