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Whoa, easy with the extreme language! I didn't say that the GMAT always follows that pattern, or that the subject in the second clause must refer back to the subject of the first clause. The idea is that if the subject of the second clause is a pronoun, it CAN refer back to the subject of the first clause -- even if there are a ton of other potential referents in the sentence.

Here's a variation on the example I used in the webinar:

Cucumbers are more expensive than tomatoes in grocery stores in Western states, and they also taste like poo.

On the face of things, "they" looks ambiguous: the pronoun could refer to "states", "stores", "tomatoes", or "cucumbers." But this sort of construction appears occasionally on the GMAT, and the exam doesn't seem to have a problem with it: because "they" is the subject of the second clause, it CAN refer back to the subject of the first clause, with no worries about ambiguity.

But that doesn't mean that the 2nd subject ALWAYS refers back to the subject of the 1st clause. It certainly doesn't have to. It's just that in a sentence like my cucumber example, you don't really have to worry about pronoun ambiguity.

For anybody that didn't already suffer through it, the full webinar on pronouns is available here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhN_KU1bSKU



I am still confused with option A

In some types of pine tree, a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well.

What is "they" being referred here
a) types of pine tree ---> my understanding is possibly not because types of pine tress is not the main subject.
b) buds
c) needles ---> well. "a thick layer of needles" is actually the subject so "they" cannot possibly refer to "a thick layer of needles"

Had it been there was a hyphen instead of semicolon, it would have been clear that "they" is being referred to "buds".

I rejected A because I was unable to find the reference of "they" in the second independent clause. --> :(

Can anybody please help me :please:
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Had it been there was a hyphen instead of semicolon, it would have been clear that "they" is being referred to "buds".

Hi rsrighosh, if this were to be the case, then we would never have been in a position to use any pronoun in the Independent clause after the semicolon.

But that's not the case. As you've rightly pointed out, they should only be referring to buds.
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For answer (A), shouldn't the part after the semicolon be able to stand alone as a sentence. I feel like there is a comma missing after 'consequently'.
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For answer (A), shouldn't the part after the semicolon be able to stand alone as a sentence.

Absolutely ldlefebvre, and this part after the semicolon can stand on its own as a complete sentence, and hence, is an Independent clause.

Please note that in addition to consequently, Independent clauses can also start with words such as instead, moreover, likewise, therefore, however and otherwise.

Our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana discusses this aspect of Independent clauses . Have attached the corresponding section of the book, for your reference.

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I feel like there is a comma missing after 'consequently'.

GMAT does not test on such usage of punctuation. Hence, presence/absence of a comma in such situations, should not be a reason to eliminate/choose an answer choice.

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Re: In some types of pine tree, a thick layer of needles protects the buds [#permalink]
I zeroed on A, D.
A- I saw Pronoun ambiguity- 'they'-needles or buds.
Finally chose D (even though it looked awkward) vs A.
Please explain why the pronoun ambiguity is not weighed in the ans??
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Originally posted by Stormcool on 12 Oct 2020, 12:54.
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I zeroed on A, D.
A- I saw Pronoun ambiguity- 'they'-needles or buds.
Finally chose D (even though it looked awkward) vs A.
Please explain why the pronoun ambiguity is not weighed in the ans??

Hi Stormcool, pronoun ambiguity must be among the last reasons to eliminate an answer choice.
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Ok thanks. Further explanation is welcome.

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Hi Stormcool

Pronoun antecedent ambiguity is a very dicey reason for ruling out an answer option. It must only be employed when all other avenues are ruled out. Also, an option should only be ruled out for having an ambiguous antecedent if there is another option which removes said ambiguity and it has no other errors. As you can see, this condition is not satisfied in this question.

Specifically, option (D) utilizes both "since" and "consequently", which is redundant. One of them is sufficient to indicate causality. Hence option (D) cannot be the correct answer. Option (A) has no other errors apart from possible ambiguous antecedent for the pronoun "they". Given that all other options have some errors, (A) is an acceptable answer.

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I saw the "well" is moving around.
Can explain what's wrong with "withstand forest fires relatively well" and "withstand relatively well forest fires).
I thought "well" is an adjective, modifying the word forest fire.
Relatively is adverb, modifying well.


"Well" is an adverb here, modifying the verb phrase "withstand forest fires." "Well" is always an adverb, unless we're talking about health. (Example: "After a long struggle with hemorrhoids, Mike is well again." "Well" is an adjective in this case, describing Mike -- but you're very unlikely to see this usage on the GMAT.) Here's another example that gets into the difference between "good" (an adjective) and "well" (usually an adverb): https://gmatclub.com/forum/on-the-tourn ... 21371.html

In this question, the placement of "well" is clearer when it comes after "forest fires." In A, B, and D, it's clear that "well" modifies the entire phrase "withstand forest fires"; in C, it's a little bit less clear, because it's harder to figure out what, exactly, the pine trees withstand.

But the placement of "well" really isn't a big deal, to be honest. Notice that there's really no good reason to care about the placement of "well" in this question. C is the only answer choice that puts the word "well" in an awkward location, but C also has a terrible subject-verb error. So the placement of "well" really isn't the deciding factor.

I hope this helps!


But the placement of well is still incorrect in C right?
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GMATNinja wrote:
RUSDI wrote:
I saw the "well" is moving around.
Can explain what's wrong with "withstand forest fires relatively well" and "withstand relatively well forest fires).
I thought "well" is an adjective, modifying the word forest fire.
Relatively is adverb, modifying well.


"Well" is an adverb here, modifying the verb phrase "withstand forest fires." "Well" is always an adverb, unless we're talking about health. (Example: "After a long struggle with hemorrhoids, Mike is well again." "Well" is an adjective in this case, describing Mike -- but you're very unlikely to see this usage on the GMAT.) Here's another example that gets into the difference between "good" (an adjective) and "well" (usually an adverb): https://gmatclub.com/forum/on-the-tourn ... 21371.html

In this question, the placement of "well" is clearer when it comes after "forest fires." In A, B, and D, it's clear that "well" modifies the entire phrase "withstand forest fires"; in C, it's a little bit less clear, because it's harder to figure out what, exactly, the pine trees withstand.

But the placement of "well" really isn't a big deal, to be honest. Notice that there's really no good reason to care about the placement of "well" in this question. C is the only answer choice that puts the word "well" in an awkward location, but C also has a terrible subject-verb error. So the placement of "well" really isn't the deciding factor.

I hope this helps!


But the placement of well is still incorrect in C right?

I don't think we'd be able to look at (C) in a bubble and say that the placement of "well" is flat-out "wrong." But the point of our earlier post was that the placement is arguably better in A, B, and D. And since (C) has a clear-cut subject-verb error, we don't actually have to worry about whether the placement of the "well" should be deemed wrong or right.
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(A) a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well

(B) a thick needle layer protects buds from where new growth proceeds, so that they can withstand forest fires relatively well

(C) a thick layer of needles protect the buds from which new growth proceeds; thus, they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires

(D) since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well

(E) because the buds where new growth happens are protected by a thick layer of needles, they are able to withstand forest fires relatively easily as a result



(A) a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well

(B) a thick needle layer protects buds from where new growth proceeds, so that they can withstand forest fires relatively well - Withstanding forest fire is just an outcome of layer, not the cause.

(C) a thick layer of needles protect the buds from which new growth proceeds; thus, they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires

(D) since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well

(E) because the buds where new growth happens are protected by a thick layer of needles, they are able to withstand forest fires relatively easily as a result
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Hello Everyone!

Let's tackle this question, one thing at a time, and find the correct choice as quickly as possible! First, here is the original question, with the major differences between the options highlighted in orange:

In some types of pine tree, a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well.

(A) a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well
(B) a thick needle layer protects buds from where new growth proceeds, so that they can withstand forest fires relatively well
(C) a thick layer of needles protect the buds from which new growth proceeds; thus, they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires
(D) since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well
(E) because the buds where new growth happens are protected by a thick layer of needles, they are able to withstand forest fires relatively easily as a result

After a quick glance over the options, there are a few things we can focus on to narrow down our choices:

1. protects / protect / are protected by (verb tense & active/passive voice)
2. from which / from where / where (agreement)
3. consequently / so that / thus / they (conjunctions & punctuation)


Let's start with #1 on our list: verb tenses. This should be an easier grammar concept to focus on first, and it should narrow down a few options quickly. To do this, we need to make sure that the subjects and verbs agree in number, and we must also make sure to use active voice whenever possible (the GMAT does not like passive voice answers). Here is how each option breaks down:

(A) a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well -> GOOD (The singular subject "a thick layer" agrees with singular verb "protects," so let's keep this option for later!)

(B) a thick needle layer protects buds from where new growth proceeds, so that they can withstand forest fires relatively well --> GOOD (The subject and verb in this option are both singular, just like option A, so let's also keep this option for later!)

(C) a thick layer of needles protect the buds from which new growth proceeds; thus, they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires --> INCORRECT (This is wrong because the singular subject (a thick layer) should have a singular verb. Instead, this sentence uses a plural verb (protect), which doesn't agree.)

(D) since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well --> INCORRECT (This is wrong because it uses passive voice! It switches the subject and object of the sentence. The GMAT prefers active voice over passive voice whenever possible, so let's rule this out.)

(E) because the buds where new growth happens are protected by a thick layer of needles, they are able to withstand forest fires relatively easily as a result --> INCORRECT (This is wrong because it uses passive voice! It switches the subject and object of the sentence. The GMAT prefers active voice over passive voice whenever possible, so let's rule this out.)

We can eliminate options C, D, and E because they use the wrong verb tenses or passive voice.

Now that we have this narrowed down to just 2 options, let's take a closer look at #2 and #3 on our list to determine which is the better option:

(A) a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well

This is the CORRECT choice! It uses the correct phrasing "from which" to indicate that the growth comes from the buds, not from some location around the buds. It also uses the conjunction "consequently" to show a cause/effect relationship, and the semicolon is used correctly to split the two independent clauses up nicely.

(B) a thick needle layer protects buds from where new growth proceeds, so that they can withstand forest fires relatively well

This is INCORRECT for a couple reasons. First, the phrase "from where" is confusing to readers because it changes the meaning slightly. Instead of saying the growth comes from the buds themselves, this sentence says the buds happen to be in the same area where new growth appears on its own, which doesn't make sense. Second, the subordinating conjunction "so that" does NOT need a comma before it.

There you go - option A is the correct choice!


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Hi EMPOWERgmatVerbal,

I have 2 questions : 1. How to be sure that "they" in A is not ambiguous with needles in the previous IC?
2. You wrote that Consequently is a conjunction. So, can a conjunction be in an IC? I somehow always wrongly assumed that conjuntions should be a part of DC. can you give some more similar examples?
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In some types of pine tree, a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well.



(A) a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well
The meaning is perfect they are refering back to buds therefore let us hang on to it

(B) a thick needle layer protects buds from where new growth proceeds, so that they can withstand forest fires relatively well
where isn't the right usage which isfar better

(C) a thick layer of needles protect the buds from which new growth proceeds; thus, they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires
thus usage here is akward and unnecessary

(D) since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well
They is refering back to the needles which is not the intended meaning it should be buds

(E) because the buds where new growth happens are protected by a thick layer of needles, they are able to withstand forest fires relatively easily as a result
Similar reasoning as D


Therefore IMO A
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Hi Experts,

Although clearly, A is better than the rest, as all of them have some kind of errors, but there is one thing that I didn't understand in A.

a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well

Shouldn't "consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well" be a Dependent Clause?

If yes, then it should be connected with a "comma" in place of "semicolon"

also if no, then can someone please explain why it is not a DC?
and how exactly to differentiate between DC and IC?

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Hi Experts,

Although clearly, A is better than the rest, as all of them have some kind of errors, but there is one thing that I didn't understand in A.

a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well

Shouldn't "consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well" be a Dependent Clause?

Hi sid0791, this is not a dependent clause.

There are two primary ways to form Dependent clauses:

i) Using Subordinating conjunctions (such as although, because etc.)

ii) Using relative pronouns (such as which, that etc.)

You can watch our video on Independent and Dependent Clauses.

Please note that independent clauses can start with words such as instead, consequently, moreover, likewise, thus, therefore, however and otherwise.

Our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana discusses this aspect of Independent clauses. Have attached the corresponding section of the book, for your reference.
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Hello Everyone!

Let's tackle this question, one thing at a time, and find the correct choice as quickly as possible! First, here is the original question, with the major differences between the options highlighted in orange:

In some types of pine tree, a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well.

(A) a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well
(B) a thick needle layer protects buds from where new growth proceeds, so that they can withstand forest fires relatively well
(C) a thick layer of needles protect the buds from which new growth proceeds; thus, they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires
(D) since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well
(E) because the buds where new growth happens are protected by a thick layer of needles, they are able to withstand forest fires relatively easily as a result

After a quick glance over the options, there are a few things we can focus on to narrow down our choices:

1. protects / protect / are protected by (verb tense & active/passive voice)
2. from which / from where / where (agreement)
3. consequently / so that / thus / they (conjunctions & punctuation)


Let's start with #1 on our list: verb tenses. This should be an easier grammar concept to focus on first, and it should narrow down a few options quickly. To do this, we need to make sure that the subjects and verbs agree in number, and we must also make sure to use active voice whenever possible (the GMAT does not like passive voice answers). Here is how each option breaks down:

(A) a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well -> GOOD (The singular subject "a thick layer" agrees with singular verb "protects," so let's keep this option for later!)

(B) a thick needle layer protects buds from where new growth proceeds, so that they can withstand forest fires relatively well --> GOOD (The subject and verb in this option are both singular, just like option A, so let's also keep this option for later!)

(C) a thick layer of needles protect the buds from which new growth proceeds; thus, they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires --> INCORRECT (This is wrong because the singular subject (a thick layer) should have a singular verb. Instead, this sentence uses a plural verb (protect), which doesn't agree.)

(D) since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well --> INCORRECT (This is wrong because it uses passive voice! It switches the subject and object of the sentence. The GMAT prefers active voice over passive voice whenever possible, so let's rule this out.)

(E) because the buds where new growth happens are protected by a thick layer of needles, they are able to withstand forest fires relatively easily as a result --> INCORRECT (This is wrong because it uses passive voice! It switches the subject and object of the sentence. The GMAT prefers active voice over passive voice whenever possible, so let's rule this out.)

We can eliminate options C, D, and E because they use the wrong verb tenses or passive voice.

Now that we have this narrowed down to just 2 options, let's take a closer look at #2 and #3 on our list to determine which is the better option:

(A) a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well

This is the CORRECT choice! It uses the correct phrasing "from which" to indicate that the growth comes from the buds, not from some location around the buds. It also uses the conjunction "consequently" to show a cause/effect relationship, and the semicolon is used correctly to split the two independent clauses up nicely.

(B) a thick needle layer protects buds from where new growth proceeds, so that they can withstand forest fires relatively well

This is INCORRECT for a couple reasons. First, the phrase "from where" is confusing to readers because it changes the meaning slightly. Instead of saying the growth comes from the buds themselves, this sentence says the buds happen to be in the same area where new growth appears on its own, which doesn't make sense. Second, the subordinating conjunction "so that" does NOT need a comma before it.

There you go - option A is the correct choice!


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Thanks for your detailed solution - very helpful. I just wanted to check my thinking with you please:
I eliminated D and E because I felt that they were not parallel with the beginning of the non-underlined portion of the sentence.
I also eliminated D because I saw 'consequently and therefore' which are redundant.

Is my thinking correct?
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I have a doubt here.. what is able to withstand forest fire here - the buds or the pine trees..?
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I have a doubt here.. what is able to withstand forest fire here - the buds or the pine trees..?


Hello fatsam0786,

We hope this finds you well.

Having gone through your query and the question, we believe that we can resolve your doubt.

In this sentence, it is the "buds" that are able to withstand the fire. This is the most logical interpretation, as the sentence talks about the "buds" being protected.

We hope this helps.
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