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279. Even as they never forgave the Crusaders who overran their homeland, the Syrians have never absolved the French for taking territory from them.
(A) Even as they never forgave
(B) While they never forgave
(C) Just like they never forgave
(D) Similarly to not forgiving
(E) In spite of their never forgiving

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05 Nov 2009, 11:51
What is taking place is a comparison btw two actions.

This makes A (as bad as it sounds) right

I naturally lean towards C but "like" is used for the comparison of nouns
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06 Nov 2009, 01:52
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279. Even as they never forgave the Crusaders who overran their homeland, the Syrians have never absolved the French for taking territory from them.
(A) Even as they never forgave
(B) While they never forgave
(C) Just like they never forgave
(D) Similarly to not forgiving
(E) In spite of their never forgiving

Plz explain?

It is not 100% clear who is being modified by "they"
The only alternative that does not have "they" is D.

To be honest, I don't know if this is correct
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06 Nov 2009, 03:55
According to Stacey Koprince

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"While" means something similar to "although." Even by itself doesn't have the same meaning - you'd need to say "even though."

While I went to college, I didn't graduate.
Even though I went to college, I didn't graduate. (same meaning)

Even as I went to college, I worked full time. (Meaning: I did the two things simultaneously.)

SO the answer should be A

As choice B and E are contrasting the latter part of the sentence, so both the choice are out

“like” cannot be used to compare two clause(In this case I feel GMAT is very rigid). So Choice C is out

“Similarly” is adverb and cannot modify an infinitive, So D is out
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30 Jan 2010, 05:51
279. Even as they never forgave the Crusaders who overran their homeland, the Syrians have never absolved the French for taking territory from them.
(A) Even as they never forgave
(B) While they never forgave
(C) Just like they never forgave
(D) Similarly to not forgiving
(E) In spite of their never forgiving

C is a clear winner.....

Just like is used to compare 2 actions.... and hence the action of not forgiving crusaders is being compared to the french's absolvent...

And of course they clearly refers to Syrians... as thats the subject of the sentence.....
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29 Dec 2010, 08:51
yea. C for me as well.
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29 Dec 2010, 09:48
Although as per semantics, A and C may be the same, structurally they are different. ‘As’ is a conjunction while ‘like’ is a preposition. ‘Like’ can never be followed by anything other than a noun or noun phrase, to be grammatically correct. A is the only choice that can be considered right for bringing out the comparison explicitly and for using the conjunction ‘as’ for comparing two clauses.
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29 Dec 2010, 17:36
hi daagh,
correct me if i am wrong in C 'like' is followed by a pronoun and just like is also idiomatic. Please advise.
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29 Dec 2010, 19:04
Ajit:You are just looking at the word that is next to ‘like’. If the clause just stops with ‘they’ alone, we can say ‘like’ is followed by a pronoun. But “like they never forgave” is a full fledged subordinate clause; In order to say that like is followed by a noun or noun phrase, the phrase should be as : Like they, like them, like their not forgiving, etc.,

In such cases, the main clause also will take corresponding amendments, wherever required.
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30 Dec 2010, 09:28
hi daagh,
Thanks for your response. I am kind of still confused about the usage of 'just like'. Please could you also clarify the usage of as/like (as to when we can use just like, as, like). I would really appreciate your help. Thanks again
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30 Dec 2010, 09:49
the technical aspect of 'like having to be followed by a noun' aside A would simply not make any sense with "even as they" --- even is a contrast marker...

Besides it is not true that like can only be followed by a noun/noun phrase. Like can also be followed by a pronoun --- this is a reasonable position to take as pronouns themselves are meant to serve as substitutes for nouns.

Ex: Susan looks like her mother: http://www.perfectyourenglish.com/usage/like-and-as.htm
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hi daagh,
Thanks for your response. I am kind of still confused about the usage of 'just like'. Please could you also clarify the usage of as/like (as to when we can use just like, as, like). I would really appreciate your help. Thanks again

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daagh,
i think i got my mistake. The correct idiom is just as and not just like...so in this case A is correct.
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02 Jan 2011, 22:22
(A)

Comparison of verbs - 'forgave', so use of 'as' is needed

(A) Even as they never forgave --> Correct use of 'as'
(B) While they never forgave
(C) Just like they never forgave
(D) Similarly to not forgiving --> Awkward sentence construction
(E) In spite of their never forgiving --> Awkward sentence construction
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24 Mar 2011, 20:19
What is the correct answer? My ear says C...
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24 Mar 2011, 20:23
I just googled this...it looks like the answer is A even though it sounds weird.
Just like should be used to compare nouns ONLY, not clauses...
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+1 A

"Just like" is wrong in the GMAT.
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11 Oct 2013, 04:52
I am little confused here...

Even as X, I did Y --> shows contrast. In this sentence Syrians didn't forgive either of them, so there shouldn't be any contrast. Then how come A is correct?
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