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Hi
This goes out to the experts.
I've been preparing for the CR section for a couple of weeks now and have only encountered simple arguments. However, upon a lot of recommendation, I've recently started to use the Powerscore guide for LR to master CR in GMAT. ( As my accuracy has kind of stuck at about 70-75% and I would like this to be in the higher 90%)
Here, I've come across a ton of complex arguments and I wanted to know if this is suitable for practice wrt the GMAT, because this level of CR is close to insane. The concept is easy enough to understand but to implement and then use in CR is just bonkers.
For those who dont know
Simple arguments have only one conclusion
Complex arguments have multiple conclusions which are based on previous conclusions used in the argument as a premise.
This goes out to the experts.
I've been preparing for the CR section for a couple of weeks now and have only encountered simple arguments. However, upon a lot of recommendation, I've recently started to use the Powerscore guide for LR to master CR in GMAT. ( As my accuracy has kind of stuck at about 70-75% and I would like this to be in the higher 90%)
Here, I've come across a ton of complex arguments and I wanted to know if this is suitable for practice wrt the GMAT, because this level of CR is close to insane. The concept is easy enough to understand but to implement and then use in CR is just bonkers.
For those who dont know
Simple arguments have only one conclusion
Complex arguments have multiple conclusions which are based on previous conclusions used in the argument as a premise.
05 Jun 2020, 13:14
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Hi dushyantkanal,
While there are some Test Takers and Teachers who believe that using LSAT materials during their studies is a good idea, I am NOT one of them. While LSAT LR has a lot in common with GMAT CR (and LSAT RC has a lot in common with GMAT RC), there are enough differences to make those LSAT resources less than ideal.
To start, the LSAT includes a wider range of question types and 'design logic' than the GMAT does, so you'd be learning/practicing ideas that you will NOT face on the Official GMAT. To be clear, that doesn't necessarily mean that LSAT LR/RC is 'harder' overall - you'll just be wasting your time on concepts that you won't be tested on during the GMAT. In addition, most LSAT prompts are presented in print (and you can solve them with pencil-and-paper) - NEITHER of those aspects is realistic relative to how you have to deal with the Official GMAT. Finally, there are plenty of quality GMAT resources to be had, so there's no good reason to be using LSAT resources during your GMAT studies unless you have worked through ALL of the quality GMAT materials available.
1) From what you describe, you're clearly focused on CR right now, but how you have been scoring on your CATs/mocks (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for EACH)?
2) What is your overall goal score?
3) When are you planning to take the GMAT?
GMAT assassins aren't born, they're made,
Rich
While there are some Test Takers and Teachers who believe that using LSAT materials during their studies is a good idea, I am NOT one of them. While LSAT LR has a lot in common with GMAT CR (and LSAT RC has a lot in common with GMAT RC), there are enough differences to make those LSAT resources less than ideal.
To start, the LSAT includes a wider range of question types and 'design logic' than the GMAT does, so you'd be learning/practicing ideas that you will NOT face on the Official GMAT. To be clear, that doesn't necessarily mean that LSAT LR/RC is 'harder' overall - you'll just be wasting your time on concepts that you won't be tested on during the GMAT. In addition, most LSAT prompts are presented in print (and you can solve them with pencil-and-paper) - NEITHER of those aspects is realistic relative to how you have to deal with the Official GMAT. Finally, there are plenty of quality GMAT resources to be had, so there's no good reason to be using LSAT resources during your GMAT studies unless you have worked through ALL of the quality GMAT materials available.
1) From what you describe, you're clearly focused on CR right now, but how you have been scoring on your CATs/mocks (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for EACH)?
2) What is your overall goal score?
3) When are you planning to take the GMAT?
GMAT assassins aren't born, they're made,
Rich
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Hi Rich
Thanks for taking out the time and replying here.
So,I'm inferring from your response that complex arguments are one of the many additional concepts that LSAT's cover and are not tested on the GMAT.(Phew!)
Reason for doing LSAT material
I've actually read a lot of these success stories where students who do most of the available material find the questions on the Mock CAT's to be repetitive or having seen them somewhere before. Due to this, their accuracy on these questions actually rises and their scores on these Mock CAT's are inflated. For eg- On Mock's their score would average about 720 and on the day they would get about 680 or worse even 660.(The person who I'm referring to eventually managed a 760 but that's besides the point)
To avoid this, I actually started to look for material which would give me ample practice and yet not be from the question pool of the GMAC.
This is when I've stumbled upon LSAT material and started doing only CR so far from there.
I mean, if you cover a few additional CR topics which are OOS, wouldn't that just be a good mental workout and also, one is still covering all material that would be included for GMAT anyway, so I don't see the harm.
Answering the rest of your questions
1) From what you describe, you're clearly focused on CR right now, but how you have been scoring on your CATs/mocks (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for EACH)?
Have decided to take my Mock's once I'm through with the prep. Then will use a focus on weak area approach to improve my score.
Tentatively, have scheduled my first one for end of May.
2) What is your overall goal score?
Somewhere between 700 and 750. I'm targetting ISB and going by the average's of the past few years, this is what will be required to crack the admission.
3) When are you planning to take the GMAT?
Somewhere in mid August. Right now I've spent a little over a month preparing and I think I'm about 30-35% through the learning phase.
Thanks for taking out the time and replying here.
So,I'm inferring from your response that complex arguments are one of the many additional concepts that LSAT's cover and are not tested on the GMAT.(Phew!)
Reason for doing LSAT material
I've actually read a lot of these success stories where students who do most of the available material find the questions on the Mock CAT's to be repetitive or having seen them somewhere before. Due to this, their accuracy on these questions actually rises and their scores on these Mock CAT's are inflated. For eg- On Mock's their score would average about 720 and on the day they would get about 680 or worse even 660.(The person who I'm referring to eventually managed a 760 but that's besides the point)
To avoid this, I actually started to look for material which would give me ample practice and yet not be from the question pool of the GMAC.
This is when I've stumbled upon LSAT material and started doing only CR so far from there.
I mean, if you cover a few additional CR topics which are OOS, wouldn't that just be a good mental workout and also, one is still covering all material that would be included for GMAT anyway, so I don't see the harm.
Answering the rest of your questions
1) From what you describe, you're clearly focused on CR right now, but how you have been scoring on your CATs/mocks (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for EACH)?
Have decided to take my Mock's once I'm through with the prep. Then will use a focus on weak area approach to improve my score.
Tentatively, have scheduled my first one for end of May.
2) What is your overall goal score?
Somewhere between 700 and 750. I'm targetting ISB and going by the average's of the past few years, this is what will be required to crack the admission.
3) When are you planning to take the GMAT?
Somewhere in mid August. Right now I've spent a little over a month preparing and I think I'm about 30-35% through the learning phase.
