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I decided to take the GMAT since last year. I prepared through only self-study. I bought the Kaplan Book, Manhattan GMAT Pack, and the 3 Official Guides.

I studied for the GMAT for over a year but it was regularly inconsistent. Work demands or other emergencies often required that to postpone practice for long periods -sometimes months.

Still, I went through the entire Kaplan GMAT book and all the Manhattan Guides but I didn’t have enough time to go through most of the practise questions before taking the test. In the end my GMAT score was lower than my lowest practice test.

Here are my scores below. As you will see, verbal was always a strong point, and my quant was weak
CAT 1 (Manhattan GMAT) – 620(V37, Q37 Date -Sep 27
CAT 2 (Manhattan GMAT) – 620 (V36 Q38) – Date -Oct 11
CAT 3 (Manhattan GMAT) – 710 (V45 Q41) – Jan 12
CAT 4 (Manhattan GMAT) -660 (V45 Q36) - April 23
CAT 5 (Manhattan GMAT)- 680 (V45 Q37) – June 18
CAT 6 (Manhattan GMAT)- 670 (V42 Q39) – June 25
CAT 7 (Official GMAT PACK 2) – 720 (V47 Q43) – Jul 16
CAT 8 (Official GMAT PACK 2) – 670 (V41 Q41) – Jul 16
Actual GMAT – 660((V41 Q39) IR 40% Jul 25

In the actual exam, I imagine that exam pressure and some disruptions at the test centre lowered my verbal score from V45-V47(99th percentile) in test exams to V41 (94thpercentile). All the same, what’s clear to see is that my quant was always weak and would not have been persuasive for a top 5 MBA program. I think doing all the practice official guide questions is a good place to start with improving my quant but…

How would you recommend that I raise my quant score, and fine-tune my verbal score to steady 99th percentile?

I have gone through all the examples in Manhattan GMAT Math more than once, so I do feel tired of re-reading the same material and repeating the questions in each chapter.
I am applying to top 5 MBAs in September next year. I had wanted to work on other parts of my application profile till December – more social/community involvement- study from Jan-April and retake the GMAT in April.

Do you think this is a solid strategy? To abandon GMAT material for 4 months before taking it up again? The thing is that I work long hours at a demanding job; even finding time for community/social involvement will be hard and attempting to combine that with intensive GMAT practice is likely impractical.

How should I proceed? Thanks a lot.
Please note that joining tutor programs isn't an option for me - too costly, so I do need the most cost-effective options.
Please let me know if you require more information.

As is apparent from your scores, your actual Quant score was the same as reflected by your practice tests. So definitely, there are some conceptual gaps you have.
Suggest you to thoroughly take a look at your practice tests. Find out the topics in which you are making the most mistakes. I suggest you to work hard on those - forget practice questions - first check out the theory. Ensure that you really understand it. Then practice questions specifically on those topics including 700+ level ones. Take a practice test or two. You should see your practice test score improving. For the top 5, you need to push your Quant up to 48 at least. Keep practicing verbal questions as well regularly.

I would suggest you to retake within the next 3 months if you are able to reach Q48+. All your prep would go to waste if you give a big break in between. If you wait till April, but unfortunately it doesn't work out, you won't have the luxury of "plenty of time". That will put extra pressure on your mind and that affects GMAT performance.
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I decided to take the GMAT since last year. I prepared through only self-study. I bought the Kaplan Book, Manhattan GMAT Pack, and the 3 Official Guides.

I studied for the GMAT for over a year but it was regularly inconsistent. Work demands or other emergencies often required that to postpone practice for long periods -sometimes months.

Still, I went through the entire Kaplan GMAT book and all the Manhattan Guides but I didn’t have enough time to go through most of the practise questions before taking the test. In the end my GMAT score was lower than my lowest practice test.

Here are my scores below. As you will see, verbal was always a strong point, and my quant was weak
CAT 1 (Manhattan GMAT) – 620(V37, Q37 Date -Sep 27
CAT 2 (Manhattan GMAT) – 620 (V36 Q38) – Date -Oct 11
CAT 3 (Manhattan GMAT) – 710 (V45 Q41) – Jan 12
CAT 4 (Manhattan GMAT) -660 (V45 Q36) - April 23
CAT 5 (Manhattan GMAT)- 680 (V45 Q37) – June 18
CAT 6 (Manhattan GMAT)- 670 (V42 Q39) – June 25
CAT 7 (Official GMAT PACK 2) – 720 (V47 Q43) – Jul 16
CAT 8 (Official GMAT PACK 2) – 670 (V41 Q41) – Jul 16
Actual GMAT – 660((V41 Q39) IR 40% Jul 25

In the actual exam, I imagine that exam pressure and some disruptions at the test centre lowered my verbal score from V45-V47(99th percentile) in test exams to V41 (94thpercentile). All the same, what’s clear to see is that my quant was always weak and would not have been persuasive for a top 5 MBA program. I think doing all the practice official guide questions is a good place to start with improving my quant but…

How would you recommend that I raise my quant score, and fine-tune my verbal score to steady 99th percentile?

I have gone through all the examples in Manhattan GMAT Math more than once, so I do feel tired of re-reading the same material and repeating the questions in each chapter.
I am applying to top 5 MBAs in September next year. I had wanted to work on other parts of my application profile till December – more social/community involvement- study from Jan-April and retake the GMAT in April.

Do you think this is a solid strategy? To abandon GMAT material for 4 months before taking it up again? The thing is that I work long hours at a demanding job; even finding time for community/social involvement will be hard and attempting to combine that with intensive GMAT practice is likely impractical.

How should I proceed? Thanks a lot.
Please note that joining tutor programs isn't an option for me - too costly, so I do need the most cost-effective options.
Please let me know if you require more information.

As is apparent from your scores, your actual Quant score was the same as reflected by your practice tests. So definitely, there are some conceptual gaps you have.
Suggest you to thoroughly take a look at your practice tests. Find out the topics in which you are making the most mistakes. I suggest you to work hard on those - forget practice questions - first check out the theory. Ensure that you really understand it. Then practice questions specifically on those topics including 700+ level ones. Take a practice test or two. You should see your practice test score improving. For the top 5, you need to push your Quant up to 48 at least. Keep practicing verbal questions as well regularly.

I would suggest you to retake within the next 3 months if you are able to reach Q48+. All your prep would go to waste if you give a big break in between. If you wait till April, but unfortunately it doesn't work out, you won't have the luxury of "plenty of time". That will put extra pressure on your mind and that affects GMAT performance.

Hello,

Thanks a lot for replying. Your advice seems helpful. I willl plan to retake in the near-term, and keep up practice, instead of stopping entirely.
However, I feel like I know most of the theory well. I went over most of it, at least twice. Are you sure that theory is still what i should focus on?
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Hi maverad,

Since you're already performing at a relatively high level, you would likely find it easier to hit your score goal if you study a bit more NOW (as opposed to restarting your studies several months from now).

In your prior posts, you didn't state your exact score goal, so what is that goal?

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Hello Empower GMAT,

My target is 740. so (Verbal 98th percentile, and Quant about 70th percentile...I think it should be about that)

Since my quant was so weak (39th percentile), how would you recommend that I raise it to at least 65th percentile? I still have MGMAT and Kaplan Books, paying for a a prep course, isn't affordable. But I might be able to get Veritas' practice tests (about $49 or less). I feel that the tests should help indicate any improvements as I practice.

My goal this time around is to not take the GMAT until prep tests consistently show me hitting my target. Because, I have already seen some of the MGMAT questions, they would not be a 100% accurate representation of my score.

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Hi maverad,

Since you're already performing at a relatively high level, you would likely find it easier to hit your score goal if you study a bit more NOW (as opposed to restarting your studies several months from now).

In your prior posts, you didn't state your exact score goal, so what is that goal?

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Hi maverad,

With Quant Scaled Scores in the high-30s and low-40s, you likely have some 'holes' in your content knowledge, you're making some little mistakes throughout the section and you're missing out on lots of 'strategy-based' points. This is meant to say that you could potentially pick up some BIG points in that section once you address these issues. Since you've been studying a certain way for so long though, you have likely developed some 'bad habits' that will take time to fix (and replace with new 'good habits'). With the right practice materials and Tactics, you could conceivably make these improvements in under a month, but that has a great deal to do with how 'flexible' a thinker you are (and if you're 'stuck' in your ways, then it will take a lot longer to get up to that level).

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With Quant Scaled Scores in the high-30s and low-40s, you likely have some 'holes' in your content knowledge, you're making some little mistakes throughout the section and you're missing out on lots of 'strategy-based' points. This is meant to say that you could potentially pick up some BIG points in that section once you address these issues. Since you've been studying a certain way for so long though, you have likely developed some 'bad habits' that will take time to fix (and replace with new 'good habits'). With the right practice materials and Tactics, you could conceivably make these improvements in under a month, but that has a great deal to do with how 'flexible' a thinker you are (and if you're 'stuck' in your ways, then it will take a lot longer to get up to that level).

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Okay fair point, I do see what you are saying about my quant knowledge. How would you suggest that I use the materials I already have along with the Veritas Prep CATs(how accurate are those by the way?)

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Hi maverad,

With Quant Scaled Scores in the high-30s and low-40s, you likely have some 'holes' in your content knowledge, you're making some little mistakes throughout the section and you're missing out on lots of 'strategy-based' points. This is meant to say that you could potentially pick up some BIG points in that section once you address these issues. Since you've been studying a certain way for so long though, you have likely developed some 'bad habits' that will take time to fix (and replace with new 'good habits'). With the right practice materials and Tactics, you could conceivably make these improvements in under a month, but that has a great deal to do with how 'flexible' a thinker you are (and if you're 'stuck' in your ways, then it will take a lot longer to get up to that level).

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Okay fair point, I do see what you are saying about my quant knowledge. How would you suggest that I use the materials I already have along with the Veritas Prep CATs(how accurate are those by the way?)

Thanks a lot.

And when you say a month should do? How many hours of practice are we talking about?
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Hi maverad,

Since your Quant Scaled Scores were usually in the high-30s (and only got just above a 40 a few times), there's some question as to whether the current materials that you have are going to be enough to get you to a much higher Quant Scaled Score or not. Based on all of your prior scores, and given that potential 'issue', you would likely find it helpful to invest in some new materials that would help you to 'see' (and respond to) the Quant section in new ways. There's no way to know exactly how many hours of study you will need - that has a great deal to do with how 'flexible' a thinker you are. If you're 'stuck' in a particular mindset about the Quant section, then it will take far longer to improve your score than just 1 month.

1) How many hours can you commit to studying each week?

The most realistic CATs on the market are the 6 GMAC CATs; if you've used all of those though, the Veritas CATs will provide you a reasonably accurate assessment of your skills (IF you use the CAT correctly).

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Thanks a lot for replying. Your advice seems helpful. I willl plan to retake in the near-term, and keep up practice, instead of stopping entirely.
However, I feel like I know most of the theory well. I went over most of it, at least twice. Are you sure that theory is still what i should focus on?

With about a Q40, there are conceptual gaps. Don't go through the entire theory. As I suggested above, revisit the theory of the topics in which you are weak. Say, you come across a 700 level question and are unable to solve it. Find out what was it that you were lacking and work on that.

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Veritas Prep’s practice tests are built on a platform that employs Item Response Theory (IRT), the same system underlying the real GMAT. Unlike more basic approaches that simply count correct and incorrect responses and then generate a score, IRT recognizes that no two GMAT questions are exactly the same. What question you receive at any given point on a test will be dictated by how well you have performed up to that point, and how you answer that question will impact your ability estimate and help determine which question you see next. The system also takes “content balancing” into account, ensuring that you see a mix of question types that are representative of what you will see on the real GMAT, all while gathering as much information about your ability level as possible.

Every one of our GMAT questions must be validated across thousands of responses from hundreds of students before it is added to a Veritas Prep GMAT practice exam. Veritas Prep has collected more than one million responses from tens of thousands of GMAT students, via both the GMAT Question Bank and by using experimental questions in our computer-adaptive tests (just as the real GMAT collects data). In fact, Veritas Prep collects more than 50,000 new responses each week! Each item is not just validated once, but is constantly recalibrated based on new data. Veritas Prep also regularly measures its practice tests’ scores against the Official GMAT by collecting student feedback, ensuring that its practice exam scores are very close to those generated by the real test.

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Hello Rich,

I see your point about holes in my Quant Scaled Scores. I reviewed reports on my MGMAT tests and now I see that those weak areas were always there and identifiable. I guess I had hoped to offset those with an outstanding verbal performance and hit 700.

Anyway, I agree that I might need new materials to help me develop new approaches to Quant. Going from Q39 to Q47 or so won't be easy. As at now, I can't commit more than 2 hours per week. (Got other critical commitments). In October, I could dedicate some more time. But November, should be when I can make the GMAT my main priority (At least 9 hours per week)

I have used four of the GMAT Prep tests. This time around, I do not intend to write the test until I am performing consistently at a high level (at least 720). So I would save the GMAT Prep tests for perhaps, mid way through my preparation and the very end. Going by my evaluation, my MGMAT tests were very reflective of my actual performance. If Veritas, are as good, they will be a good guide too.

Regarding the purchase of new material though, I've looked at the top ranked Quant courses on GMAT Club (Math Revolution, Empower GMAT, and Veritas...). All are currently out of reach for me due to price, and I'm trying to figure out a workaround.

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Hi maverad,

Since your Quant Scaled Scores were usually in the high-30s (and only got just above a 40 a few times), there's some question as to whether the current materials that you have are going to be enough to get you to a much higher Quant Scaled Score or not. Based on all of your prior scores, and given that potential 'issue', you would likely find it helpful to invest in some new materials that would help you to 'see' (and respond to) the Quant section in new ways. There's no way to know exactly how many hours of study you will need - that has a great deal to do with how 'flexible' a thinker you are. If you're 'stuck' in a particular mindset about the Quant section, then it will take far longer to improve your score than just 1 month.

1) How many hours can you commit to studying each week?

The most realistic CATs on the market are the 6 GMAC CATs; if you've used all of those though, the Veritas CATs will provide you a reasonably accurate assessment of your skills (IF you use the CAT correctly).

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Hello Rich,

Any comments on my earlier reply to your questions?

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Hi maverad,

Since your Quant Scaled Scores were usually in the high-30s (and only got just above a 40 a few times), there's some question as to whether the current materials that you have are going to be enough to get you to a much higher Quant Scaled Score or not. Based on all of your prior scores, and given that potential 'issue', you would likely find it helpful to invest in some new materials that would help you to 'see' (and respond to) the Quant section in new ways. There's no way to know exactly how many hours of study you will need - that has a great deal to do with how 'flexible' a thinker you are. If you're 'stuck' in a particular mindset about the Quant section, then it will take far longer to improve your score than just 1 month.

1) How many hours can you commit to studying each week?

The most realistic CATs on the market are the 6 GMAC CATs; if you've used all of those though, the Veritas CATs will provide you a reasonably accurate assessment of your skills (IF you use the CAT correctly).

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Hi maverad,

Unfortunately, if you can study just 2 hours per WEEK, then I have no practical advice for you. That is not nearly the type of commitment that is necessary to raise your score to the desired level - and there are no practice materials that can 'offset' that small amount of effort. I understand that your schedule is probably busy, and I sympathize, but Business Schools don't care - you either have a competitive GMAT Score and strong overall profile or you don't. You almost certainly need to be putting in 10-15 hours per week (or more) of study time to hit your score goals in a reasonable timeframe. If that isn't possible now, then you'll have to adjust your plans and timeline accordingly.

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Rich,

I clearly recognise that more time is required,and I did say in the earlier post that I would commit at least 9 hours from November.

I imagined you'd say more about how I intend to use the 2 GMAT Prep tests I haven't done along with the 6 Veritas, the materials I'm considering for quant study and potential workarounds since cost is a concern.

Thanks for your help. I have now established that:

1. I need new materials
2. Veritas Tests would help (already purchased)
3. It's better to resume studies in a 2 months or so, than wait till next year

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Hi maverad,

Unfortunately, if you can study just 2 hours per WEEK, then I have no practical advice for you. That is not nearly the type of commitment that is necessary to raise your score to the desired level - and there are no practice materials that can 'offset' that small amount of effort. I understand that your schedule is probably busy, and I sympathize, but Business Schools don't care - you either have a competitive GMAT Score and strong overall profile or you don't. You almost certainly need to be putting in 10-15 hours per week (or more) of study time to hit your score goals in a reasonable timeframe. If that isn't possible now, then you'll have to adjust your plans and timeline accordingly.

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Hi maverad,

If you don't have enough time to properly commit to studying, then you should NOT be taking any CATs. It's important to remember that taking lots of CATs will NOT make you a better Test Taker. A CAT is really a 'measuring device' - when used correctly, it will give you a realistic score and help define your strengths and weaknesses, but it will NOT help you to fix any of those weaknesses. To raise your scores, you have to put in the necessary practice and repetitions. The CAT will show you whether your studies are helping you to improve or not.

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