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Hi all,

I'm now in a tough dilemma...May I seek your POV on HEC MBA-Yale MAM (M2M Program) v.s. INSEAD MBA? Will M2M be potentially more prestige or pull more weight during job hunting??

Below are the pros and cons:

M2M —
  • Pros:
     1) BIG NAMES!! Booooom it's YALLLLEEE, an Ivy League (tho it's MAM not MBA but still sounds cool   :cool: )
     2) Wider job hunting locations (can hunt jobs in EU + US?)
     3) More time to digest/learn new concepts (this is my 1st time going to b-school)

  • Cons:
     1) Longer duration: 14+10 months
     2) A bit more expensive
     3) The program is new, still developing its branding?? (Anyone know how's the branding?)

INSEAD —
  • Pros: Higher ranking+Established Brand
  • Cons: Toooo short and INTENSE (as someone who's never learned Acct/Finance/Econ, 10 months will be like he*l, not even mentioning its bell curve policy...therefore potential academic risk)

Goal: T2 consulting/Healthcare LDP @ anywhere (locations doesn't matter at all)

Thanks! Any pointers will be appreciated­
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Hi Jaidee,

Earlier I had the same idea as well that should I target the HEC M2M or not but later chose not to and completely shifted my focus on full time MBA programs only (Currently preparing for GMAT FE though)! I guess it depends on where you stand at your career now, as you said you have little to no background on Acct/Fin/Econ, tbh any program which is as prestigious as INSEAD and has a duration of 10-12 mos gonna be a bit challenging for you, as you yourself have mentioned.

So given that, M2M sounds a bit better as well as any 16-24 mos MBA programs also sounds better as well!

And regarding the name’s weight and all, I think having either one of them is pretty much great, so my view point would be to look for something where I can perform better and get the best out of the program.

I wish you all the luck for whatever path you choose! Cheers 🥂

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Thanks Madar! May I ask why you decided to focus on full-time MBA instead of M2M?

I agree with your points that longer program is much friendly to students from non-business background, yet seems like now I'd only choose from HEC and INSEAD😂 and the problem is: INSEAD MBA seems rank much higher, with premium MBA branding...so I don't know how should I think about lowering my tier and go to HEC, or stick with INSEAD's brand and work my a*s-off at INSEAD😂 What a dillema.
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Hi Jaidee,

Earlier I had the same idea as well that should I target the HEC M2M or not but later chose not to and completely shifted my focus on full time MBA programs only (Currently preparing for GMAT FE though)! I guess it depends on where you stand at your career now, as you said you have little to no background on Acct/Fin/Econ, tbh any program which is as prestigious as INSEAD and has a duration of 10-12 mos gonna be a bit challenging for you, as you yourself have mentioned.

So given that, M2M sounds a bit better as well as any 16-24 mos MBA programs also sounds better as well!

And regarding the name’s weight and all, I think having either one of them is pretty much great, so my view point would be to look for something where I can perform better and get the best out of the program.

I wish you all the luck for whatever path you choose! Cheers 🥂

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Hi all,

I'm now in a tough dilemma...May I seek your POV on HEC MBA-Yale MAM (M2M Program) v.s. INSEAD MBA? Will M2M be potentially more prestige or pull more weight during job hunting??

Below are the pros and cons:

M2M —
  • Pros:
     1) BIG NAMES!! Booooom it's YALLLLEEE, an Ivy League (tho it's MAM not MBA but still sounds cool   :cool: )
     2) Wider job hunting locations (can hunt jobs in EU + US?)
     3) More time to digest/learn new concepts (this is my 1st time going to b-school)

  • Cons:
     1) Longer duration: 14+10 months
     2) A bit more expensive
     3) The program is new, still developing its branding?? (Anyone know how's the branding?)

INSEAD —
  • Pros: Higher ranking+Established Brand
  • Cons: Toooo short and INTENSE (as someone who's never learned Acct/Finance/Econ, 10 months will be like he*l, not even mentioning its bell curve policy...therefore potential academic risk)

Goal: T2 consulting/Healthcare LDP @ anywhere (locations doesn't matter at all)

Thanks! Any pointers will be appreciated­
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­Jaidee One of my mentees and our partner advisor is a graduate of the HEC-YALE program, so I'm happy to contribute based on our discussions. If you feel that the fast-paced environment of INSEAD might be too intense for you, then I think the HEC + YALE program is a fantastic alternative. You will absolutely get time to enjoy an immersive MBA experience with the internship and exchange opportunities. It's common for students to want to participate in exchange programs in the US to explore their hiring options, but the competition will be quite fierce as you'll be competing with hundreds of others studying at Yale in MBA and other programs. After the Yale exchange, my mentee had three offers from startups in the US, which he weighed against more stable offers in the EU. But getting a lucrative job where the recruiter will sponsor you long-term in the US is an uphill battle after just an exchange program in the US. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to put you in touch with him.

Best wishes
Aanchal Sahni (INSEAD MBA alumna, former INSEAD MBA admissions interviewer)
Founder, MBAGuideConsulting 
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Thank you so much Anachal! It's very kind of you! Yes, if convenient, may I ask how to get in touch with him?

Also, just out of curiousity😊: in your opinion, would you think the HEC-Yale program might be better off for those with no business background, versus INSEAD? And I do have 2 sub-questions in head if you don't mind:
1) Branding: as INSEAD MBA is considered to be more prestige than HEC MBA, will INSEAD still outweights HEC-Yale, when it comes to market/employer recognition or branding?
2) Degree & Job-hunting: as the dual degree program combines HEC MBA with Yale MAM (not Yale MBA), will it be less suitable for someone like me with 6 YOE? (alhough it's not an exchange as I do get a degree from Yale, yet it's a Master degree, like MiM). I'm quite flexible with post-MBA locations, but I don't know will U.S. recruiters view me as less competitive than Yale MBA?

Actually the one of the Biggest reasons that makes me consider HEC-Yale (apart from the name of Yale), is because I'm intimidated by the intensity/pressure from INSEAD😂 I heard the z-score was quite strict and students are competing very hard...and as an Arts major, I considered it unfair to compete with business underegrad/grad who's learned accounting/finance for 4+ years while I've learned only 4 days...under bell curve...😂

Would appreciate any of your thoughts/advice❤️ Thank you so much and have a good day!
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Jaidee
Hi all,

I'm now in a tough dilemma...May I seek your POV on HEC MBA-Yale MAM (M2M Program) v.s. INSEAD MBA? Will M2M be potentially more prestige or pull more weight during job hunting??

Below are the pros and cons:

M2M —
  • Pros:
     1) BIG NAMES!! Booooom it's YALLLLEEE, an Ivy League (tho it's MAM not MBA but still sounds cool   :cool: )
     2) Wider job hunting locations (can hunt jobs in EU + US?)
     3) More time to digest/learn new concepts (this is my 1st time going to b-school)

  • Cons:
     1) Longer duration: 14+10 months
     2) A bit more expensive
     3) The program is new, still developing its branding?? (Anyone know how's the branding?)

INSEAD —
  • Pros: Higher ranking+Established Brand
  • Cons: Toooo short and INTENSE (as someone who's never learned Acct/Finance/Econ, 10 months will be like he*l, not even mentioning its bell curve policy...therefore potential academic risk)

Goal: T2 consulting/Healthcare LDP @ anywhere (locations doesn't matter at all)

Thanks! Any pointers will be appreciated­
­Jaidee One of my mentees and our partner advisor is a graduate of the HEC-YALE program, so I'm happy to contribute based on our discussions. If you feel that the fast-paced environment of INSEAD might be too intense for you, then I think the HEC + YALE program is a fantastic alternative. You will absolutely get time to enjoy an immersive MBA experience with the internship and exchange opportunities. It's common for students to want to participate in exchange programs in the US to explore their hiring options, but the competition will be quite fierce as you'll be competing with hundreds of others studying at Yale in MBA and other programs. After the Yale exchange, my mentee had three offers from startups in the US, which he weighed against more stable offers in the EU. But getting a lucrative job where the recruiter will sponsor you long-term in the US is an uphill battle after just an exchange program in the US. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to put you in touch with him.

Best wishes
Aanchal Sahni (INSEAD MBA alumna, former INSEAD MBA admissions interviewer)
Founder, MBAGuideConsulting 
LinkedIn|WEBSITE: https://mbaguideconsulting.com/| Message(WA): +91 9971200927| email- mbaguideconsulting@gmail.com­
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Thank you so much Anachal! It's very kind of you! Yes, if convenient, may I ask how to get in touch with him?

Also, just out of curiousity😊: in your opinion, would you think the HEC-Yale program might be better off for those with no business background, versus INSEAD? And I do have 2 sub-questions in head if you don't mind:
1) Branding: as INSEAD MBA is considered to be more prestige than HEC MBA, will INSEAD still outweights HEC-Yale, when it comes to market/employer recognition or branding?
2) Degree & Job-hunting: as the dual degree program combines HEC MBA with Yale MAM (not Yale MBA), will it be less suitable for someone like me with 6 YOE? (alhough it's not an exchange as I do get a degree from Yale, yet it's a Master degree, like MiM). I'm quite flexible with post-MBA locations, but I don't know will U.S. recruiters view me as less competitive than Yale MBA?

Actually the one of the Biggest reasons that makes me consider HEC-Yale (apart from the name of Yale), is because I'm intimidated by the intensity/pressure from INSEAD😂 I heard the z-score was quite strict and students are competing very hard...and as an Arts major, I considered it unfair to compete with business underegrad/grad who's learned accounting/finance for 4+ years while I've learned only 4 days...under bell curve...😂

Would appreciate any of your thoughts/advice❤️ Thank you so much and have a good day!
MBAGuide

Jaidee
Hi all,

I'm now in a tough dilemma...May I seek your POV on HEC MBA-Yale MAM (M2M Program) v.s. INSEAD MBA? Will M2M be potentially more prestige or pull more weight during job hunting??

Below are the pros and cons:

M2M —
  • Pros:
     1) BIG NAMES!! Booooom it's YALLLLEEE, an Ivy League (tho it's MAM not MBA but still sounds cool   :cool: )
     2) Wider job hunting locations (can hunt jobs in EU + US?)
     3) More time to digest/learn new concepts (this is my 1st time going to b-school)

  • Cons:
     1) Longer duration: 14+10 months
     2) A bit more expensive
     3) The program is new, still developing its branding?? (Anyone know how's the branding?)

INSEAD —
  • Pros: Higher ranking+Established Brand
  • Cons: Toooo short and INTENSE (as someone who's never learned Acct/Finance/Econ, 10 months will be like he*l, not even mentioning its bell curve policy...therefore potential academic risk)

Goal: T2 consulting/Healthcare LDP @ anywhere (locations doesn't matter at all)

Thanks! Any pointers will be appreciated­
­Jaidee One of my mentees and our partner advisor is a graduate of the HEC-YALE program, so I'm happy to contribute based on our discussions. If you feel that the fast-paced environment of INSEAD might be too intense for you, then I think the HEC + YALE program is a fantastic alternative. You will absolutely get time to enjoy an immersive MBA experience with the internship and exchange opportunities. It's common for students to want to participate in exchange programs in the US to explore their hiring options, but the competition will be quite fierce as you'll be competing with hundreds of others studying at Yale in MBA and other programs. After the Yale exchange, my mentee had three offers from startups in the US, which he weighed against more stable offers in the EU. But getting a lucrative job where the recruiter will sponsor you long-term in the US is an uphill battle after just an exchange program in the US. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to put you in touch with him.

Best wishes
Aanchal Sahni (INSEAD MBA alumna, former INSEAD MBA admissions interviewer)
Founder, MBAGuideConsulting 
LinkedIn|WEBSITE: https://mbaguideconsulting.com/| Message(WA): +91 9971200927| email- mbaguideconsulting@gmail.com­
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­Jaidee  You may get in touch directly and I will connect you. 

To your point on

1. Branding- I don't think that outside of the US, the HEC or HEC-Yale brand will be able to beat the prestige of the INSEAD brand. If you go to INSEAD, you can still apply for a Wharton MBA exchange in the US, provided you have competitive academics, and ultimately seek opportunities with partner networks in the USA.

If you are so intimidated by the pressure at INSEAD, why don’t you plan ahead and do the business fundamentals courses, which will benefit you. Isnt that the whole point of doing an MBA, that you put yourself through a transformational experience. If you wanted to be in your comfort zone forever, you wouldnt have considered doing such an expensive MBA. You have an admit from INSEAD, so you must surely have a solid profile and the adcom must have seen great potential in you. I think HEC is a fabulous school, but since INSEAD is a self-selecting program, so many people would want to have what you currently have in hand!!

I also want to add that yes, you might struggle in the initial core courses in Finance and Accounting, but after that, you can pick electives based on your interest and requirements (for wanting to increase your GPA), and it won’t be that hard, honestly. I do feel you should put yourself through this experience once because you will be engaging with some of the best B-school professors in the world. There will be many people at INSEAD who are from arts or engineering backgrounds who have never studied business or finance before. But, of course, the final decision is yours.


2. Degree & Job-hunting: 
I dont know if you are considering consulting at this point but thought this might interest you that Yale MBA and INSEAD MBA are the only top programs that have crossed 50% mark in consulting placements. However, consulting jobs with good positions will be hard to come by via the MAM route. You will have plenty of opportunities to recruit into consulting at INSEAD or after. I would say that you should go with the MAM program if you really are very keen on keeping US as an option, otherwise there is not much that you will miss if you go to INSEAD. 

Best wishes
Aanchal Sahni (INSEAD MBA alumna, former INSEAD MBA admissions interviewer)
Founder, MBAGuideConsulting 
LinkedIn|WEBSITE: https://mbaguideconsulting.com/| Message(WA): +91 9971200927| email- mbaguideconsulting@gmail.com­


 
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Thank you Aanchal very much! Sure absolutely, and apologies if it's late night in the local timezone🙏

Thank you for the encouragement and I do agree with all your points! Actually I've already started to do the business foundation courses (incl. accounting, finance, econ), and realized/further strenghthened how bad I am at them😂 However, your words are definately inspiring! The truth is I am very much struggled to find a potential way to evaluate the academic risk and on choosing the school......
(I also just saw the newly released INSEAD's schedule and strict z-score policy, which further made me believe that it'd be extremely challenging for me to keep up on the acct/fin/econ courses...I still feel I'd fail them as only has 7 weeks to crack 4 hardcore business subjects😅 I'm still unsure on how to evaluate the risk)

Re your last point, actually yes I'm not keen on keeping US as an option———I'd priortize Middle East or Eurasia, which both HEC and INSEAD have strong presence :) though I heard INSEAD is not ideal for relocation due to its shorter length, and HEC can place candidates in Europe relatively easier (or maybe I'm wrong)?

Thank you so much again for your great advice!
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­Jaidee One of my mentees and our partner advisor is a graduate of the HEC-YALE program, so I'm happy to contribute based on our discussions. If you feel that the fast-paced environment of INSEAD might be too intense for you, then I think the HEC + YALE program is a fantastic alternative. You will absolutely get time to enjoy an immersive MBA experience with the internship and exchange opportunities. It's common for students to want to participate in exchange programs in the US to explore their hiring options, but the competition will be quite fierce as you'll be competing with hundreds of others studying at Yale in MBA and other programs. After the Yale exchange, my mentee had three offers from startups in the US, which he weighed against more stable offers in the EU. But getting a lucrative job where the recruiter will sponsor you long-term in the US is an uphill battle after just an exchange program in the US. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to put you in touch with him.

Best wishes
Aanchal Sahni (INSEAD MBA alumna, former INSEAD MBA admissions interviewer)
Founder, MBAGuideConsulting 
LinkedIn|WEBSITE: https://mbaguideconsulting.com/| Message(WA): +91 9971200927| email- mbaguideconsulting@gmail.com­
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­Jaidee  You may get in touch directly and I will connect you. 

To your point on

1. Branding- I don't think that outside of the US, the HEC or HEC-Yale brand will be able to beat the prestige of the INSEAD brand. If you go to INSEAD, you can still apply for a Wharton MBA exchange in the US, provided you have competitive academics, and ultimately seek opportunities with partner networks in the USA.

If you are so intimidated by the pressure at INSEAD, why don’t you plan ahead and do the business fundamentals courses, which will benefit you. Isnt that the whole point of doing an MBA, that you put yourself through a transformational experience. If you wanted to be in your comfort zone forever, you wouldnt have considered doing such an expensive MBA. You have an admit from INSEAD, so you must surely have a solid profile and the adcom must have seen great potential in you. I think HEC is a fabulous school, but since INSEAD is a self-selecting program, so many people would want to have what you currently have in hand!!

I also want to add that yes, you might struggle in the initial core courses in Finance and Accounting, but after that, you can pick electives based on your interest and requirements (for wanting to increase your GPA), and it won’t be that hard, honestly. I do feel you should put yourself through this experience once because you will be engaging with some of the best B-school professors in the world. There will be many people at INSEAD who are from arts or engineering backgrounds who have never studied business or finance before. But, of course, the final decision is yours.


2. Degree & Job-hunting: 
I dont know if you are considering consulting at this point but thought this might interest you that Yale MBA and INSEAD MBA are the only top programs that have crossed 50% mark in consulting placements. However, consulting jobs with good positions will be hard to come by via the MAM route. You will have plenty of opportunities to recruit into consulting at INSEAD or after. I would say that you should go with the MAM program if you really are very keen on keeping US as an option, otherwise there is not much that you will miss if you go to INSEAD. 

Best wishes
Aanchal Sahni (INSEAD MBA alumna, former INSEAD MBA admissions interviewer)
Founder, MBAGuideConsulting 
LinkedIn|WEBSITE: https://mbaguideconsulting.com/| Message(WA): +91 9971200927| email- mbaguideconsulting@gmail.com­



 
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