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Re: If s and t are positive integers, st + s + t cannot be [#permalink]
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take cases for(s,t)

(1,2)-5
(1,3)-7
(2,2)-8
(1,4)-9

only left is B-6


Thanks for the reply! One question - How did you Pick the number? Was it trial and error, some logic or practice?

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susheelh wrote:
If s and t are positive integers, st + s + t cannot be

A. 5
B. 6
C. 7
D. 8
E. 9

susheelh wrote:
hsbinfy wrote:
take cases for(s,t)

(1,2)-5
(1,3)-7
(2,2)-8
(1,4)-9

only left is B-6


Thanks for the reply! One question - How did you Pick the number? Was it trial and error, some logic or practice?

Thanks in advance!

susheelh , I'm not hsbinfy , but I used exactly the same numbers.

We can use trial and error, with a bit of "method" derived from the practical constraints imposed by both the answer choices and the LHS of the equation:
1) The answer choices are small numbers
2) on the LHS of the equation, we must multiply (st), add (+s), and add again (+t). Three arithmetic operations? The result could quickly get large.
3) s and t are positive
Conclusion: s and t cannot be large numbers. In fact, they must be small numbers.

I started with s = t = 2
That yields 8.

It's clear that s = t = 3 is too big (9 is the first term with those numbers, never mind that we have to add more).

s = t = 1? Too small. = 4

So, increase t.
Leave s as it is.
Why? As noted, the answer choices are small numbers, multiplication is involved,
and one factor of 1 (s=1) keeps things small.

s = 1, t = 2 ---> 5

Increase t again.

s = 1, t = 3 ----> 7
s = 1, t = 4 ----> 9

I have 8, 5, 7, and 9.

Answer by POE must be 6

Answer B
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Re: If s and t are positive integers, st + s + t cannot be [#permalink]
The problem is misleading. Of course, if s and t can be the same number, then the answer is 6. But if t and s are different numbers... common, why would they are called s and t (is not that because they are different?) Misleading 100%.
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Re: If s and t are positive integers, st + s + t cannot be [#permalink]
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The problem is misleading. Of course, if s and t can be the same number, then the answer is 6. But if t and s are different numbers... common, why would they are called s and t (is not that because they are different?) Misleading 100%.



Which "same" number gives the answer 6 ?
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Re: If s and t are positive integers, st + s + t cannot be [#permalink]
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The problem is misleading. Of course, if s and t can be the same number, then the answer is 6. But if t and s are different numbers... common, why would they are called s and t (is not that because they are different?) Misleading 100%.


The two numbers are different. But hypothetically speaking, even if the two numbers were the same, it's perfectly fine to have two different variables represent the same number.
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susheelh wrote:
If s and t are positive integers, st + s + t cannot be

A. 5
B. 6
C. 7
D. 8
E. 9

Solution:

SInce the given choices are “small,” the values of s and t have to be even smaller. So if we let s = 1 and t = 2, we have:

(1)(2) + 1 + 2 = 5

If we keep s = 1 and let t = 3, we have:

(1)(3) + 1 + 3 = 7

If we keep s = 1 and let t = 4, we have:

(1)(5) + 1 + 5 = 9

If we keep t = 2 and let s = 2, we have:

(2)(2) + 2 + 2 = 8

Since 5, 7, 8 and 9 can be written in the form of st + s + t for some positive integers s and t, 6 is the one that cannot be written in such a format.

Alternate Solution:

Let’s rewrite st + s + t as follows:

st + s + t + 1 - 1

s(t + 1) + (t + 1) - 1

(s + 1)(t + 1) - 1

Now, if (s + 1)(t + 1) - 1 is equal to 5, 7, 8, or 9; then (s + 1)(t + 1) is equal to 6, 8, 9, or 10, respectively. In each of these cases, we can find values for s + 1 and t + 1 that are greater than 1; therefore, we can find positive integer values for s and t. However, if (s + 1)(t + 1) - 1 = 6; then (s + 1)(t + 1) = 7. Since 7 is prime, either s + 1 = 1 or t + 1 = 1, which is equivalent to saying either s = 0 or t = 0. Thus, there are no positive integer values for s and t which satisfy (s + 1)(t + 1) - 1 = 6.

Answer: B
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