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hello R jacobs just want to discuss 3rd ques with u . . i think it cannot be E because E refers to details in the paragraphs and not the essence of paragraphs . . for 2nd my notes said sarnoff was responsible for the widespread use of television and for 3rd para the authors opinion is in first line itself

" but Sarnoff promoted himself as nothing less
than a visionary."
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ECEBD, but I'm not positive about #3 and this one was time-consuming for me. I'll save lengthy discussion for later, after others have had a chance.

Also, I hope I'm right since I can see this is an MGMAT question :)


You have nailed the correct answers

E C E B D are the OA

Thanks for discussion. If someone has doubts please asking.
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My Take EEEAE , I see i get 2 c 3 w very bad , can some one explain Q2 , Q4 and Q5.

For 5th I can see that it says earned greater public notoriety , but no where in the passage is bad publicity about Farnsworth mentioned. All the start of 2nd para says is

In his own time, Farnsworth's contributions
went largely unnoticed, in large part because he was
excluded from the process of introducing the invention
to a national audience
, but it doesnt mean that Fransworth would have gained negative publicity if he was included in the process.
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hello R jacobs just want to discuss 3rd ques with u . . i think it cannot be E because E refers to details in the paragraphs and not the essence of paragraphs . . for 2nd my notes said sarnoff was responsible for the widespread use of television and for 3rd para the authors opinion is in first line itself

" but Sarnoff promoted himself as nothing less
than a visionary."

Yes, this was the toughest for me as well! Here's how I broke it down:

The second paragraph presents divergent visions about the possible uses of a technological device;

OK, this works: the device is the TV, the divergent visions are Sarnoff's (radio-like business model) and Farnsworth's (educational tool).

the third paragraph initiates a debate about the ramifications of one of those
perspectives.


I started with the phrase "one of those perspectives" - whose perspective are they talking about? Well, clearly Sarnoff's. Then I asked myself, "Are any ramifications discussed?" This was harder to answer, but it does seem like the ramifications were either that the Sarnoff model led to poor programming or that it led to a democratic platform. I did think "initiates a debate" was a little too strong, but then I asked myself, "If I were a high school teacher, would I be able to lead a discussion about whether Sarnoff's model had a negative or neutral impact on programming?" I think I would, so this paragraph does actually initiate a debate, or at least leave room for it.

I actually disagree that E talks only about specifics - for me, the essence of the second paragraph for me is "Farnsworth (nerd) vs. Sarnoff (MBA)" (sorry, a little MBA humor here :-D ) and the essence of the third paragraph is "Radio-like model led to bad TV?" This matches (E) fairly closely.
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I got EEEDD.

So 3 Correct & 2 wrong.

Can some explain Q 2 & 4

Para 3: Sarnoff simply adapted the business model for radio and television
from the newspaper industry, replacing the revenue
from subscriptions and purchases of individual news-
papers with that of selling the television sets


So shouldn't the answer be D for Q 4.
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In order to trick you on a specific question such as this, the GMAT will offer incomplete answers
that incorporate language from throughout the passage but do not directly bear on the question at
hand. Two sections in the passage discuss ways in which the television industry brought in revenue.
The second paragraph states that advertisers pay for the programming so that they can have a receptive
audience for their products. The third paragraph states that the television industry benefited by replac-
ing the revenue from subscriptions and purchases of individual newspapers with that of selling the televi-
sion sets themselves.

(B) CORRECT. Advertising and the sale of television sets are the two ways mentioned through
which the industry could generate revenue,

From MGMAT RC 4th guide ;)

This one was very trcky because you had to connected TWO different part of the passage: the 2 and 3 th paragraph
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hey can somebody explain why the answer to Q2 is C and not E?

Because
Quote:
Some television critics argue that the
construct Sarnoff implemented has played a negative
role in determining the content of the programs them-
selves
imply that other critics think that Sarnoof had a positive role at least on TV

E is out of scope
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Could someone please explain Question # 5?

Sure! Question 5 asks "The passage suggests that Farnsworth might have earned greater public notoriety for his invention if..."

Well I can't answer that unless I know why he didn't gain a lot of public notoriety in the first place: because Sarnoff gave Zworykin the credit. So basically, Zworykin got the notoriety because he worked for Sarnoff (and ostensibly that work involved developing/manufacturing/distributing the TV). If Farnsworth had been in that position instead of Zworykin, then Farnsworth would have gotten the credit. So (D) is the answer.

Hi,

When I read 5, I thought that Fransworth had already invented the TV. Doesn't that mean that he would've gained public recognition if he had involved Sarnoff and showed off his invention to him?

Fransworth was excluded b/c Sarnoff wanted to be the poster boy. So if Fransworth had allowed some profit sharing, this would've been fine. The passage also states that Sarnoff claimed himself to be a mastermind, meaning, he wanted the spotlight. How do we know that involving Fransworth would mean that he would share his spotlight?

Why is this off? I felt as though this was a clear succession of events?
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Why Q1 is clearly E, but never D--even as a contender?


In MGMAT guide 6th edition, D is phrased a bit differently, and I'm more interested in this phrasing:

"(D) chronicle the events that led from the development of radio to the invention of television"

The passage clearly tells how TV became to live thanks to a proven business model from radio--so it clearly "chronicles" the evolution from Radio to TV. And making a technology to work at scale is clearly an "invention" in the context of the passage, as Farnsworth's "pure technology" is not considered by the passage as an invention in itself.


As for (E): I agree that it's the only answer focused on Sarnoff, and Sarnoff is maybe more a focus of the passage. However: could someone explain how every word used in the (E) is matched by the passage. I'm specifically interested in the underlined words:

(E) describe Sarnoff's influence on the public perception of television's inception and the debate around the impact of Sarnoff's paradigm

Maybe I'm parsing its wrong, but as I read this answer, I need to find a match for all of these:
= influence on perception of TV inception (did Sarnoff influenced the perception of inception? seriously? how?)
= describe the debate around impact of his paradigm (did his paradigm itself made an impact? not the implementation or how it actually performed after decades of trial and error of the worldwide industry)
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Could someone please explain Question # 5?

Sure! Question 5 asks "The passage suggests that Farnsworth might have earned greater public notoriety for his invention if..."

Well I can't answer that unless I know why he didn't gain a lot of public notoriety in the first place: because Sarnoff gave Zworykin the credit. So basically, Zworykin got the notoriety because he worked for Sarnoff (and ostensibly that work involved developing/manufacturing/distributing the TV). If Farnsworth had been in that position instead of Zworykin, then Farnsworth would have gotten the credit. So (D) is the answer.

Hi,

When I read 5, I thought that Fransworth had already invented the TV. Doesn't that mean that he would've gained public recognition if he had involved Sarnoff and showed off his invention to him?

Fransworth was excluded b/c Sarnoff wanted to be the poster boy. So if Fransworth had allowed some profit sharing, this would've been fine. The passage also states that Sarnoff claimed himself to be a mastermind, meaning, he wanted the spotlight. How do we know that involving Fransworth would mean that he would share his spotlight?

Why is this off? I felt as though this was a clear succession of events?

I have a totally different understanding of this passage. The passage clearly establishes a relation between Vladimir Zyorykin (VZ) and David Sarnoff (DS), DS being VZ's boss! However the passage nowhere hints that Philo Farnsworth (PF) was also a part of the same team or company, or had any kind of working/business relationship. It is absolutely possible that PF had been working alone and had no connection to DS. Which will mean DS cannot involve PF in his plans. In that case E is the only possible answer!!!!
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Could someone please explain Question # 5?

Sure! Question 5 asks "The passage suggests that Farnsworth might have earned greater public notoriety for his invention if..."

Well I can't answer that unless I know why he didn't gain a lot of public notoriety in the first place: because Sarnoff gave Zworykin the credit. So basically, Zworykin got the notoriety because he worked for Sarnoff (and ostensibly that work involved developing/manufacturing/distributing the TV). If Farnsworth had been in that position instead of Zworykin, then Farnsworth would have gotten the credit. So (D) is the answer.

Great way of reasoning!
Instead, I interpreted in this way: As Farnsworth had an "idealistic" view regarding the use of television, and he also didn't have a proper business knowledge and the possibility to distribute the TV, he wouldn't have been able to make the TV a mass phenomenon, only Sarnoff had the means to do that, because he was a businessman.

But your way of reasoning is more concise :grin:
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Some television critics argue that the construct Sarnoff implemented has played a negative role in determining the content of the programs themselves

2 (C) a number of critics feel that Sarnoff's initial decision to earn television revenue through advertising has had a positive or neutral impact on content -
Some refers to 1 to 100 . So can we surely say that C is a valid inference ?
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Some television critics argue that the construct Sarnoff implemented has played a negative role in determining the content of the programs themselves

2 (C) a number of critics feel that Sarnoff's initial decision to earn television revenue through advertising has had a positive or neutral impact on content -
Some refers to 1 to 100 . So can we surely say that C is a valid inference ?

Hi Skywalker18!

I'd be happy to help, but I'm not totally sure what your question is here. Yes, C is a valid inference here, and C is the correct answer :-) If you have a more specific question, it would be great if you could clarify :-)

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Some television critics argue that the construct Sarnoff implemented has played a negative role in determining the content of the programs themselves

2 (C) a number of critics feel that Sarnoff's initial decision to earn television revenue through advertising has had a positive or neutral impact on content -
Some refers to 1 to 100 . So can we surely say that C is a valid inference ?

Hi Skywalker18!

I'd be happy to help, but I'm not totally sure what your question is here. Yes, C is a valid inference here, and C is the correct answer :-) If you have a more specific question, it would be great if you could clarify :-)

-Carolyn

Hi Carolyn MagooshExpert,
In the real world, when one says
"Some television critics argue that the construct Sarnoff implemented has played a negative role in determining the content of the programs themselves" - Statement 1
we can infer the below
a number of critics feel that Sarnoff's initial decision to earn television revenue through advertising has had a positive or neutral impact on content - Statement 2

but since the word some can take any value from 1 to 100, can we be sure that statement 2 MUST be true(what if the some in statement 1 takes the value of 100)?
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Hi Carolyn MagooshExpert,
In the real world, when one says
"Some television critics argue that the construct Sarnoff implemented has played a negative role in determining the content of the programs themselves" - Statement 1
we can infer the below
a number of critics feel that Sarnoff's initial decision to earn television revenue through advertising has had a positive or neutral impact on content - Statement 2

but since the word some can take any value from 1 to 100, can we be sure that statement 2 MUST be true(what if the some in statement 1 takes the value of 100)?

Hi Skywalker18!

Thanks for clarifying :-)

In the real world, the word "some" implies "not all", and usually "less than half" (otherwise we would use the word "many"). So if there are 100 total critics in the world, we can assume that Statement 1 implies that 1 < x < 100 (or more likely 1 < x < 50) critics assume that Sarnoff had a negative impact. That means that at least one critic, and likely at least 50 critics, thought that Sarnoff had a neutral or positive impact.

While you're correct that "some" on its own refers to an indeterminate number, "some of" implies a part of the whole (not the whole thing). See this definition of "some":

one indeterminate quantity, portion, or number as distinguished from the rest

So there is an implied "rest" of the group, that is not included in the "some". Here, the "rest" would refer to the critics that did not think Sarnoff had a negative impact.

Does that make sense? If not, let me know! :-)
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while hard passages can offer easy questions, easy passages can present hard questions. this is easy passage containing very hard questions. in this case, prethinking, prethink an answer and then find a matchh in the answer choices, a technics used for hard passage-easy question case dose not apply here. we have to use POE (power of elimination) to find the correct answer. POE is time consuming and requires higher level of inferring. be ready to spend enough time , be slow down and check each answer choice.

manhantan offer many easy passages with hard questions, the good material for practice and this is typical of gmat.

lsat passages are hard to read but the question is not very hard. if you focus too much on reading hard passage but do not focus on hard questions, you may fail on gmat. of course, at 750 level, both passage and questions are hard
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Hi,
Can anybody clear my doubts as stated below:

1) For question 4, from which part of the passage can we infer the answer i.e. advertising and sales of television sets?
2) For question 5, why isn't the answer E instead of D, since it is clearly stated in the passage that "he(Farnsworth) had little understanding of the business world, and was never able to implement his ideas."

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