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What is the probability that one of the two integers randomly selected from range 20-29, inclusive, is prime and the other is a multiple of 3?

(The numbers are selected independently of each other, i.e. they can be equal)


A. 0.06
B. 0.12
C. 0.15
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What is the probability that one of the two integers randomly selected from range 20-29, inclusive, is prime and the other is a multiple of 3?

(The numbers are selected independently of each other, i.e. they can be equal)


A. 0.06
B. 0.12
C. 0.15
D. 0.18
E. 0.20


Prime integers: 23 and 29. Multiples of 3: 21, 24, and 27.

The probability that the first number is prime while the second is a multiple of \(3 = \frac{2}{10} \frac{3}{10} = 0.06\).

The probability that the first number is a multiple of 3 while the second is prime \(= \frac{3}{10} \frac{2}{10} = 0.06\).

The probability that one of the two integers is prime and the other is a multiple of \(3 = 0.06 + 0.06 = 0.12\).


Answer: B
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Hi Bunuel

I was wondering why the order of the selection matters here ?


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Official Solution:


What is the probability that one of the two integers randomly selected from range 20-29 is prime and the other is a multiple of 3?

(The numbers are selected independently of each other, i.e. they can be equal)


A. 0.06
B. 0.12
C. 0.15
D. 0.18
E. 0.20


Prime integers: 23 and 29. Multiples of 3: 21, 24, and 27.

The probability that the first number is prime while the second is a multiple of \(3 = \frac{2}{10} \frac{3}{10} = 0.06\).

The probability that the first number is a multiple of 3 while the second is prime \(= \frac{3}{10} \frac{2}{10} = 0.06\).

The probability that one of the two integers is prime and the other is a multiple of \(3 = 0.06 + 0.06 = 0.12\).


Answer: B
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Hi Bunuel

I was wondering why the order of the selection matters here ?


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Bunuel wrote:
Official Solution:


What is the probability that one of the two integers randomly selected from range 20-29 is prime and the other is a multiple of 3?

(The numbers are selected independently of each other, i.e. they can be equal)


A. 0.06
B. 0.12
C. 0.15
D. 0.18
E. 0.20


Prime integers: 23 and 29. Multiples of 3: 21, 24, and 27.

The probability that the first number is prime while the second is a multiple of \(3 = \frac{2}{10} \frac{3}{10} = 0.06\).

The probability that the first number is a multiple of 3 while the second is prime \(= \frac{3}{10} \frac{2}{10} = 0.06\).

The probability that one of the two integers is prime and the other is a multiple of \(3 = 0.06 + 0.06 = 0.12\).


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Hi,
more than often follow this rule if in doubt..
1) If you are picking two simultaneously/together, you do not have any order in place..
2) whenever you are picking two with/ without repetition, it can be picked as either A and B or B and A..
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Michael KC Chen wrote:
Hi Bunuel

I was wondering why the order of the selection matters here ?


Thanks

Bunuel wrote:
Official Solution:


What is the probability that one of the two integers randomly selected from range 20-29 is prime and the other is a multiple of 3?

(The numbers are selected independently of each other, i.e. they can be equal)


A. 0.06
B. 0.12
C. 0.15
D. 0.18
E. 0.20


Prime integers: 23 and 29. Multiples of 3: 21, 24, and 27.

The probability that the first number is prime while the second is a multiple of \(3 = \frac{2}{10} \frac{3}{10} = 0.06\).

The probability that the first number is a multiple of 3 while the second is prime \(= \frac{3}{10} \frac{2}{10} = 0.06\).

The probability that one of the two integers is prime and the other is a multiple of \(3 = 0.06 + 0.06 = 0.12\).


Answer: B


Hi,
more than often follow this rule if in doubt..
1) If you are picking two simultaneously/together, you do not have any order in place..
2) whenever you are picking two with/ without repetition, it can be picked as either A and B or B and A..




what is wrong when I do:
(2C1 x 3C1)/(10C2).
Please explain.
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what is wrong when I do:
(2C1 x 3C1)/(10C2).
Please explain.


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two errors
1) 10C2 is wrong because it is given that the same number can be picked up again..
In other words it is with REPLACEMENT, that is number will remain 10 each time..
so total ways will be 10*10

2) 2C1 * 3C2..
there are two ways here
2C1*3C1 OR 3C1*2C1 so two ways
2C1*3C1*2
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Michael KC Chen wrote:
Hi Bunuel

I was wondering why the order of the selection matters here ?


Thanks

Bunuel wrote:
Official Solution:


What is the probability that one of the two integers randomly selected from range 20-29 is prime and the other is a multiple of 3?

(The numbers are selected independently of each other, i.e. they can be equal)


A. 0.06
B. 0.12
C. 0.15
D. 0.18
E. 0.20


Prime integers: 23 and 29. Multiples of 3: 21, 24, and 27.

The probability that the first number is prime while the second is a multiple of \(3 = \frac{2}{10} \frac{3}{10} = 0.06\).

The probability that the first number is a multiple of 3 while the second is prime \(= \frac{3}{10} \frac{2}{10} = 0.06\).

The probability that one of the two integers is prime and the other is a multiple of \(3 = 0.06 + 0.06 = 0.12\).


Answer: B


Hi,
more than often follow this rule if in doubt..
1) If you are picking two simultaneously/together, you do not have any order in place..
2) whenever you are picking two with/ without repetition, it can be picked as either A and B or B and A..


It's not actually like that. Check this thread (probability-of-simultaneous-events-veritas-vs-mgat-105994-20.html)
Picking simultaneously is the same as picking one by one without replacement. In any case you need to multiply by the possible number of combinations.
The only case, when you don't need to multiply is when the order is strictly set - for instance, what's the probability that the FIRST number will be prime and the second will be a multiple of 3.
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Can we get a confirmation that whether 0.06 is the answer or 0.12?

I am not sure whether we have to count the probability twice - i.e. for each case.

@Bunnel - can you please confirm.
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I don't agree with the answer - if order is matter then it matter for both number of desirable events and for total number of events. SO total number of events is not 10x10 but 10x10x2 and desirable events are 3x4x2 also ! Then the answer is 0.06

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I don't agree with the answer - if order is matter then it matter for both number of desirable events and for total number of events. SO total number of events is not 10x10 but 10x10x2 and desirable events are 3x4x2 also ! Then the answer is 0.06

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This is not right. The order does matter - (prime, multiple of 3) and (multiple of 3, prime) are tow different cases. The reasoning as to why it should be 10*10*2 is not correct and not clear. For both cases we are choosing from 10 numbers, that's why it is 2/10*3/10 + 3/10*2/10.
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What is the probability that one of the two integers randomly selected from range 20-29 is prime and the other is a multiple of 3?

(The numbers are selected independently of each other, i.e. they can be equal)


A. 0.06
B. 0.12
C. 0.15
D. 0.18
E. 0.20


Dear Bunuel,

I rarely post about phrasing your question but if you add word 'inclusive' after range 20-29, it would be clear.

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What is the probability that one of the two integers randomly selected from range 20-29 is prime and the other is a multiple of 3?

(The numbers are selected independently of each other, i.e. they can be equal)


A. 0.06
B. 0.12
C. 0.15
D. 0.18
E. 0.20


Dear Bunuel,

I rarely post about phrasing your question but if you add word 'inclusive' after range 20-29, it would be clear.

Thanks


Edited as suggested. Thank you.
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what is wrong when I do:
(2C1 x 3C1)/(10C2).
Please explain.


Hi ,
two errors
1) 10C2 is wrong because it is given that the same number can be picked up again..
In other words it is with REPLACEMENT, that is number will remain 10 each time..
so total ways will be 10*10

2) 2C1 * 3C2..
there are two ways here
2C1*3C1 OR 3C1*2C1 so two ways
2C1*3C1*2


Thanks for the explanation !!!
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What must change in the question stem, in order the result to be 0.06?
This is, no need to sum both probabilities.
Please clarify!
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Hello Bunuel:
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alexxko wrote:
I don't agree with the answer - if order is matter then it matter for both number of desirable events and for total number of events. SO total number of events is not 10x10 but 10x10x2 and desirable events are 3x4x2 also ! Then the answer is 0.06

The reply should be wrong here


This is not right. The order does matter - (prime, multiple of 3) and (multiple of 3, prime) are tow different cases. The reasoning as to why it should be 10*10*2 is not correct and not clear. For both cases we are choosing from 10 numbers, that's why it is 2/10*3/10 + 3/10*2/10.


Can you please explain why does order matter here? In other words, how is 23, 27 different from 27, 23 as in both cases it's the same prime number and the same multiple of 3 that's being counted.

Thanks!
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Bunuel wrote:
alexxko wrote:
I don't agree with the answer - if order is matter then it matter for both number of desirable events and for total number of events. SO total number of events is not 10x10 but 10x10x2 and desirable events are 3x4x2 also ! Then the answer is 0.06

The reply should be wrong here


This is not right. The order does matter - (prime, multiple of 3) and (multiple of 3, prime) are tow different cases. The reasoning as to why it should be 10*10*2 is not correct and not clear. For both cases we are choosing from 10 numbers, that's why it is 2/10*3/10 + 3/10*2/10.


Can you please explain why does order matter here? In other words, how is 23, 27 different from 27, 23 as in both cases it's the same prime number and the same multiple of 3 that's being counted.

Thanks!


The point is that those are two different events. Imagine that there are 10 balls with integer values from 20 through 29 on them. We are picking two balls with replacement. The case when the first ball has a prime number on it and the second ball has a multiple of 3 on it is a different event from a case when the first ball has a multiple of 3 on it and the second ball has a prime number on it.
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