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If \([x]\) denotes the greatest integer less than or equal to \(x\) for any number \(x\), is \([a] + [b] = 1\)?


(1) \(ab = 2\).

(2) \(0 \lt a \lt b \lt 2\).

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Given that some function [] rounds DOWN a number to the nearest integer. For example \([1.5]=1\), \([2]=2\), \([-1.5]=-2\), ...

(1) \(ab = 2\). First of all this means that \(a\) and \(b\) are of the same sign.

If both are negative, then the maximum value of \([a] + [b]\) is -2, for any negative \(a\) and \(b\). So, this case is out.

If both are positive, then in order \([a] + [b] = 1\) to hold true, must be true that \([a]=0\) and \([b]=1\) (or vise-versa). Which means that \(0 \leq a \lt 1\) and \(1 \leq b \lt 2\) (or vise-versa). But in this case ab cannot be equal to 2. So, this case is also out.

We have that the answer to the question is NO. Sufficient.

(2) \(0 \lt a \lt b \lt 2\). If \(a=\frac{1}{2}\) and \(b=1\), then \([a] + [b] = 0 + 1 = 1\) but if \(a=\frac{1}{4}\) and \(b=\frac{1}{2}\), then \([a] + [b] = 0 + 0 = 0\). Not sufficient.


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For stmt 1, wouldn't the max value of [a]+[b] be -3? because (-1)(-2)=2, and (-1)+(-2)=-3?

Or am I missing some factors?

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makes sense. Thanks
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I think this is a high-quality question and I agree with explanation.
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I think this the explanation isn't clear enough, please elaborate.
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JackSparr0w wrote:
For stmt 1, wouldn't the max value of [a]+[b] be -3? because (-1)(-2)=2, and (-1)+(-2)=-3?

Or am I missing some factors?

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It says that the maximum possible value of [a] + [b] is -2 (without the restriction ab=2).


Hello Bunuel
What combination would give us value of (-2)?
the max i could think of is [-1.4] + [-1.4] = (-2) + (-2) = (-4)
[?] + [?] = (-1) + (-1) = (-2) ?
Can you please let me know.
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Bunuel wrote:
JackSparr0w wrote:
For stmt 1, wouldn't the max value of [a]+[b] be -3? because (-1)(-2)=2, and (-1)+(-2)=-3?

Or am I missing some factors?

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It says that the maximum possible value of [a] + [b] is -2 (without the restriction ab=2).


Hello Bunuel
What combination would give us value of (-2)?
the max i could think of is [-1.4] + [-1.4] = (-2) + (-2) = (-4)
[?] + [?] = (-1) + (-1) = (-2) ?
Can you please let me know.
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What I meant was that generally if a and b are negative, then the maximum value of [a] + [b] is -1+(-1)=-2. But you cannot get -2, if ab=2.

For example, [-0.5] + [-0.5] = -1 + (-1) = -2.
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It says that the maximum possible value of [a] + is -2 (without the restriction ab=2).[/quote]

Hello Bunuel
What combination would give us value of (-2)?
the max i could think of is [-1.4] + [-1.4] = (-2) + (-2) = (-4)
[?] + [?] = (-1) + (-1) = (-2) ?
Can you please let me know.
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What I meant was that generally if a and b are negative, then the maximum value of [a] + [b] is -1+(-1)=-2. But you cannot get -2, if ab=2.

For example, [-0.5] + [-0.5] = -1 + (-1) = -2.[/quote]


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Hi bunuel,

According to statement 1 we have ab=2 . Cant we right that as 0.2*10 in which case [0.2] + [10]= 10

Please clarify

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My question is how statement is sufficient to answer the question when there is another possibility which is

[0.2] + [10] = 10.

If this is the case then we can have multiple answers for this statement and hence statement is not sufficient,

but the correct answer is statement A is sufficient.

Please explain how it so

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My question is how statement is sufficient to answer the question when there is another possibility which is

[0.2] + [10] = 10.

If this is the case then we can have multiple answers for this statement and hence statement is not sufficient,

but the correct answer is statement A is sufficient.

Please explain how it so

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Statement (1) is sufficient because it gives a definite NO answer to the question. The example you consider also give a NO answer to the question whether \([a] + [b] = 1\). So, no matter what example you consider for (1), for all you'll get the same NO answer.
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