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If i apply the same logic in https://gmatclub.com/forum/m41-435049.html#p3447659, then I and II must be true.

I wonder why I and II are not true, coz the question is almost the same?

Thanks in advance!

In the other question we have:

If the sum of ALL 21 terms of an arithmetic progression is zero/

In this question we have:

If the sum of the FIRST 31 terms of an arithmetic progression consisting of 46 terms is zero.
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If the sum of the first 31 terms of an arithmetic progression consisting of 46 terms is zero, then which of the following MUST be true? (An arithmetic progression is a sequence of numbers such that the difference between consecutive terms is constant.)

I. The 31st smallest term is zero.

II. The 16th largest term is zero.

III. The sum of the largest and smallest terms of the sequence is positive.


A. I only
B. II only
C. III only
D. I and II only
E. None of the above


Firstly, note that we don't know whether the sequence is increasing or decreasing.

If the sequence is increasing, then the fact that the sum of the first 31 terms of the arithmetic progression is zero would imply that:

\(a_1 \leq ... \leq (a_{16} = 0) \leq ... \leq a_{31} \leq ... \leq a_{46}\)

If the sequence is decreasing, then the fact that the sum of the first 31 terms of the arithmetic progression is zero would imply that:

\(a_1 \geq ... \geq (a_{16} = 0) \geq ... \geq a_{31} \geq ... \geq a_{46}\)

As we can see, none of the options MUST be true.


Answer: E
Correct me if I am wrong:

For decreasing sequence, the largest 16th value would be zero!
But for Increasing sequence, the smallest 16th value would be zero but largest 16th value should be any other value than zero? am I right?
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If the sum of the first 31 terms of an arithmetic progression consisting of 46 terms is zero, then which of the following MUST be true? (An arithmetic progression is a sequence of numbers such that the difference between consecutive terms is constant.)

I. The 31st smallest term is zero.

II. The 16th largest term is zero.

III. The sum of the largest and smallest terms of the sequence is positive.


A. I only
B. II only
C. III only
D. I and II only
E. None of the above


Firstly, note that we don't know whether the sequence is increasing or decreasing.

If the sequence is increasing, then the fact that the sum of the first 31 terms of the arithmetic progression is zero would imply that:

\(a_1 \leq ... \leq (a_{16} = 0) \leq ... \leq a_{31} \leq ... \leq a_{46}\)

If the sequence is decreasing, then the fact that the sum of the first 31 terms of the arithmetic progression is zero would imply that:

\(a_1 \geq ... \geq (a_{16} = 0) \geq ... \geq a_{31} \geq ... \geq a_{46}\)

As we can see, none of the options MUST be true.


Answer: E
Correct me if I am wrong:

For decreasing sequence, the largest 16th value would be zero!
But for Increasing sequence, the smallest 16th value would be zero but largest 16th value should be any other value than zero? am I right?

Yes, you are correct.:thumbsup:
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This is a great question that’s helpful for learning. didn't consider that arithmetic progression can be decreasing
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AP can also be 0,0,0...(all terms zero), right?
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AP can also be 0,0,0...(all terms zero), right?

Yes, that's one of the possible cases.
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Hey @Bunnuel could you please explain how III isn't always true?
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Hey @Bunnuel could you please explain how III isn't always true?

Sure. The simplest example is a sequence consisting entirely of 0's, its sum is 0, which is not positive. Another example: consider the sequence 15, 14, 13, ..., (a16 = 0), -1, -2, ..., -30. Here, the largest element is 15, the smallest is -30, and their sum is 15 + (-30) = -15, which is negative.
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I apologize if this is a stupid question, but shouldn't the 31st smallest term and 16th largest term be the same?
if we have a,b,c,d,e such that a<b<c<d<e than the second smallest term i.e. b = the 4th largest term (written in descending order= e>d>c>b>a)

and in the case of the question both must be zero
Please correct me
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If the sum of the first 31 terms of an arithmetic progression consisting of 46 terms is zero, then which of the following MUST be true? (An arithmetic progression is a sequence of numbers such that the difference between consecutive terms is constant.)

I. The 31st smallest term is zero.

II. The 16th largest term is zero.

III. The sum of the largest and smallest terms of the sequence is positive.


A. I only
B. II only
C. III only
D. I and II only
E. None of the above


Firstly, note that we don't know whether the sequence is increasing or decreasing.

If the sequence is increasing, then the fact that the sum of the first 31 terms of the arithmetic progression is zero would imply that:

\(a_1 \leq ... \leq (a_{16} = 0) \leq ... \leq a_{31} \leq ... \leq a_{46}\)

If the sequence is decreasing, then the fact that the sum of the first 31 terms of the arithmetic progression is zero would imply that:

\(a_1 \geq ... \geq (a_{16} = 0) \geq ... \geq a_{31} \geq ... \geq a_{46}\)

As we can see, none of the options MUST be true.


Answer: E
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I apologize if this is a stupid question, but shouldn't the 31st smallest term and 16th largest term be the same?
if we have a,b,c,d,e such that a<b<c<d<e than the second smallest term i.e. b = the 4th largest term (written in descending order= e>d>c>b>a)

and in the case of the question both must be zero
Please correct me
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If the sum of the first 31 terms of an arithmetic progression consisting of 46 terms is zero, then which of the following MUST be true? (An arithmetic progression is a sequence of numbers such that the difference between consecutive terms is constant.)

I. The 31st smallest term is zero.

II. The 16th largest term is zero.

III. The sum of the largest and smallest terms of the sequence is positive.


A. I only
B. II only
C. III only
D. I and II only
E. None of the above


Firstly, note that we don't know whether the sequence is increasing or decreasing.

If the sequence is increasing, then the fact that the sum of the first 31 terms of the arithmetic progression is zero would imply that:

\(a_1 \leq ... \leq (a_{16} = 0) \leq ... \leq a_{31} \leq ... \leq a_{46}\)

If the sequence is decreasing, then the fact that the sum of the first 31 terms of the arithmetic progression is zero would imply that:

\(a_1 \geq ... \geq (a_{16} = 0) \geq ... \geq a_{31} \geq ... \geq a_{46}\)

As we can see, none of the options MUST be true.


Answer: E

Consider the following sequences.

Decreasing sequence:
15, 14, 13, ..., (a16 = 0), -1, -2, ..., -30
• The 31st smallest term is 0.
• The 16th largest term is 0.
• The sum of the largest and smallest terms of the sequence is negative.

Increasing sequence:
-15, -14, -13, ..., (a16 = 0), 1, 2, ..., 30
• The 31st smallest term is 15.
• The 16th largest term is 15.
• The sum of the largest and smallest terms of the sequence is positive.
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Just an alternate solution, as I was not able to visualize this while attempting.

If we dont assume any increasing or decreasing sequence as you have done and take first term as a, common difference as d.
We are given that first 31 terms are 0, using sum of AP formula, it would mean "31*(a+15d)=0" which translates to a=-15d.

1. means a31=a+30d= -15d+30d = 15d, now d can be +/-/0 any of these are possible.
2. 16th largest term is also a31 (same as above)
3. Sum of largest and smallest terms = a+45d+a = 2a+45d = -30d+45d = 15d (again same as 1 and 2)
Hence, none of 1,2 and 3 need to be must be true.

Bunuel is this okay or any flaw in the approach?
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Just an alternate solution, as I was not able to visualize this while attempting.

If we dont assume any increasing or decreasing sequence as you have done and take first term as a, common difference as d.
We are given that first 31 terms are 0, using sum of AP formula, it would mean "31*(a+15d)=0" which translates to a=-15d.

1. means a31=a+30d= -15d+30d = 15d, now d can be +/-/0 any of these are possible.
2. 16th largest term is also a31 (same as above)
3. Sum of largest and smallest terms = a+45d+a = 2a+45d = -30d+45d = 15d (again same as 1 and 2)
Hence, none of 1,2 and 3 need to be must be true.

Bunuel is this okay or any flaw in the approach?

Your logic is not entirely correct.

In your solution, you labeled a31 as “the 31st term,” but the problem statement uses “31st smallest” and “16th largest”. That depends on whether the sequence is increasing or decreasing:

  • If the sequence is increasing: the 31st smallest is indeed a31, and the 16th largest is also a31 (since the largest is a46, 16th largest = a31).
  • If the sequence is decreasing: the 31st smallest is a16 (not a31), and the 16th largest is a16 (since largest is a1, 16th largest = a16).

Please review the discussion above for more.
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