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Meaning here( Why is it right, what grammar error they wan

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06 Jul 2003, 13:20
12. Although all the proceedings of the Communist
party conference held in Moscow were not carried
live
, Soviet audiences have seen a great deal of
coverage.

(A) all the proceedings of the Communist party
conference held in Moscow were not carried
live
(B) all the Communist party conference's Moscow
proceedings were not carried live
(C) all the Communist party conference Moscow
proceedings have not been carried alive
(D) not all the Communist party conference
Moscow proceedings have been carried alive
(E) not all the proceedings of the Communist party
conference held in Moscow were carried live

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06 Jul 2003, 15:14
E?
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07 Jul 2003, 02:30
I believe the correct answer is D. The tenses agree in D better than in E.

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07 Jul 2003, 10:49
Nah, has to be (E) because (D) says "alive" not "live"
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07 Jul 2003, 13:37
Mea culpa. Must be that squinty eyes at 5 am syndrome. My bad...
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14 Jan 2009, 15:58
what is wrong with A here?
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15 Jan 2009, 10:09
ans choices are narrowed down to A and E. My ans is E.
can any1 explain which one is better and why?
All......were not carried live
vs
Not all......were carried live.
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15 Jan 2009, 12:51
I choose A. isn't E changing the meaning? 'not all the proceedings' to 'all the proceeding not carried'

or Am I wrong?
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15 Jan 2009, 13:07
ugimba wrote:
I choose A. isn't E changing the meaning? 'not all the proceedings' to 'all the proceeding not carried'

or Am I wrong?

I agree. IMO not all =( All -1 or more) ==some . If we replace not all with some of, it renders a whole different meaning.

in D

Communist party conference Moscow proceedings
What the hell is this? Just does not make any sense to me.
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Updated on: 15 Jan 2009, 23:51
icandy , Can u elaborate the difference b/w not all.... and all were not......
Also how is it chamging the meaning here?
icandy wrote:
ugimba wrote:
I choose A. isn't E changing the meaning? 'not all the proceedings' to 'all the proceeding not carried'

or Am I wrong?

I agree. IMO not all =( All -1 or more) ==some . If we replace not all with some of, it renders a whole different meaning.

in D

Communist party conference Moscow proceedings
What the hell is this? Just does not make any sense to me.

Originally posted by ritula on 15 Jan 2009, 21:22.
Last edited by ritula on 15 Jan 2009, 23:51, edited 1 time in total.
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15 Jan 2009, 21:59
ritula wrote:
arorag , Can u elaborate the difference b/w not all.... and all were not......
Also how is it chamging the meaning here?
icandy wrote:
ugimba wrote:
I choose A. isn't E changing the meaning? 'not all the proceedings' to 'all the proceeding not carried'

or Am I wrong?

I agree. IMO not all =( All -1 or more) ==some . If we replace not all with some of, it renders a whole different meaning.

in D

Communist party conference Moscow proceedings
What the hell is this? Just does not make any sense to me.

I believe they are the same. E is clearer though.
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18 Jan 2009, 11:06
Curly05,
can you post the OA and OE please ?
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18 Jan 2009, 21:33
Isn't A passive and wordy compared to E ?. The sentence means that although not all proceedings were carried live, the people still were able to see enough. I don't think the meaning changes between A and E.
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20 Jan 2009, 04:20
Agree with A.

C and D are out for using "alive".
B distorts the sentence structure. Hence, out.

E changes the meaning by using "not" in the beginning.

The following example may help understand this better.

All my friends are not alcoholic (means none are alcoholic).
Not all my friends are alcoholic (means some are alcoholic).
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20 Jan 2009, 11:50
your point is well taken. Now, we look at the rest of the part of the question stem, which says that the audience has seen a great deal of the coverage. The only way it can happen is if some of the proceedings must have been carried out live. Is there no typo with alive in D?
scthakur wrote:
Agree with A.

C and D are out for using "alive".
B distorts the sentence structure. Hence, out.

E changes the meaning by using "not" in the beginning.

The following example may help understand this better.

All my friends are not alcoholic (means none are alcoholic).
Not all my friends are alcoholic (means some are alcoholic).

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20 Jan 2009, 12:46
I definitively settle on E!

The real choice is between A and E, in my view.

Curly05 wrote:
12. Although all the proceedings of the Communist party conference held in Moscow were not carried
live
, Soviet audiences have seen a great deal of coverage.

(A) all the proceedings of the Communist party conference held in Moscow were not carried
live although this is correct, E puts the contrast much clearly and early on
(B) all the Communist party conference's Moscow proceedings were not carried live a string of noun modifiers makes it very awckward
(C) all the Communist party conference Moscow proceedings have not been carried alive same as above
(D) not all the Communist party conference Moscow proceedings have been carried alive putting "not" early on is good, but modifiers issue is still not resolved
(E) not all the proceedings of the Communist party conference held in Moscow were carried live puts "not" early on, which is great. Solves modifier awkwardness via "of" phrase
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20 Jan 2009, 15:35
Curly05 wrote:
12. Although all the proceedings of the Communist
party conference held in Moscow were not carried
live
, Soviet audiences have seen a great deal of
coverage.

(A) all the proceedings of the Communist party
conference held in Moscow were not carried
live
(B) all the Communist party conference's Moscow
proceedings were not carried live
(C) all the Communist party conference Moscow
proceedings have not been carried alive
(D) not all the Communist party conference
Moscow proceedings have been carried alive
(E) not all the proceedings of the Communist party
conference held in Moscow were carried live

definitely between A and E.

both are gramatically correct.
both have different meanings.

As per the context.. E makes sense.

E)
Although not all proceedings (some proceedings) were carried live, Soviet audiences have seen a great deal of coverage.
-- If they have seen a greal of coverage,,.. they must see atlease one proceeding. right?
A)
Although no proceedings were carried live, Soviet audiences have seen a great deal of coverage.

If they are no proceedings.. how can Soviet audiences have seen a great deal of coverage??

E makes sense.
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21 Jan 2009, 00:30
tusharvk wrote:
your point is well taken. Now, we look at the rest of the part of the question stem, which says that the audience has seen a great deal of the coverage. The only way it can happen is if some of the proceedings must have been carried out live. Is there no typo with alive in D?

Even if there is typo in word "alive" in option D, this option is distorted with the use of "Communist party conference Moscow proceedings"
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21 Jan 2009, 06:37
scthakur wrote:
tusharvk wrote:
your point is well taken. Now, we look at the rest of the part of the question stem, which says that the audience has seen a great deal of the coverage. The only way it can happen is if some of the proceedings must have been carried out live. Is there no typo with alive in D?

Even if there is typo in word "alive" in option D, this option is distorted with the use of "Communist party conference Moscow proceedings"

Thank you.

I am unclear why "were" is correct and why not "have been" as in option D.

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