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Nearly two tons of nuclear-reactor fuel have already been put into orbit around the Earth, and the chances of a collision involving such material increase greatly as the amount of both space debris and satellites continue to rise.

(A) as the amount of both space debris and satellites continue to rise

(B) as the rise continues in both the amount of satellites and space debris

(C) as the amount of space debris and the number of satellites continue to rise

(D) with the continually increasing amount of space debris and the number of satellites

(E) with the amount of space debris continuing to increase along with the number of satellites
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I pick C
"as" sounds better than "with" so D, E out
debris is non-countable while satellite is countable
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(A) as the amount of both space debris and satellites continue to rise
amount refers to a quantity that is uncountable. Whereas satellites are countable. hence Incorrect.

(B) as the rise continues in both the amount of satellites and space debris
same as A. Satellites are countable. Also rise sounds better as a verb than as a Subject in this sentence.

(C) as the amount of space debris and the number of satellites continue to rise

As X & Y continue to rise. S+V agree. Also number refers correctly to satellites. hence Right answer.


(D) with the continually increasing amount of space debris and the number of satellites
Wordy. Ambiguity in the use of Increase instead of rise. Such prefers the use of 'as' instead of 'with'.

(E) with the amount of space debris continuing to increase along with the number of satellites
Wordy and redundant. Such prefers the use of 'as' instead of 'with'.
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You both nailed this problem.

It's critical to understand not only the grammar behind the GMAT, but also the way the test works. As soon as you see "the number" or "less than" or "fewer" in an underlined section of SC, chances are you're going to have to think through countable and uncountable nouns. Be on the look out for that issue.
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Nearly two tons of nuclear-reactor fuel have already been put into orbit around the Earth, and the chances of a collision involving such material increase greatly as the amount of both space debris and satellites continue to rise.

A. as the amount of both space debris and satellites continue to rise
B. as the rise continues in both the amount of satellites and space debris
C. as the amount of space debris and the number of satellites continue to rise
D. with the continually increasing amount of space debris and the number of satellites
E. with the amount of space debris continuing to increase along with the number of satellites

I agree with the OA.
However, I have two doubts:
a) In D and E, what is wrong with "with"? Is there a change in meaning?
b) Is "amount of" always singular or does it depend on the noun that is acting as object of the preposition? (amount of xxxxx)

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Nearly two tons of nuclear-reactor fuel have already been put into orbit around the Earth, and the chances of a collision involving such material increase greatly as the amount of both space debris and satellites continue to rise.

A. as the amount of both space debris and satellites continue to rise
B. as the rise continues in both the amount of satellites and space debris
C. as the amount of space debris and the number of satellites continue to rise
D. with the continually increasing amount of space debris and the number of satellites
E. with the amount of space debris continuing to increase along with the number of satellites

I agree with the OA.
However, I have two doubts:
a) In D and E, what is wrong with "with"? Is there a change in meaning?
b) Is "amount of" always singular or does it depend on the noun that is acting as object of the preposition? (amount of xxxxx)

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Even at this level the sentence contains a bunch of things to deal with

So, here the meaning lead us to use as ( compare to action).

A) the amount of BOTH is wrong

B) in both the amount of........is ackward

C) Is clear and straight

The usage "amount of" depends on the context "amount of " or "amounts of"
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"As" is not being used here as a comparison indicator. There are SIX uses for AS. Be careful.
A and B are wrong, in part, because satellites are countable, but "amount" is for uncountable stuff.

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"As" is not being used here as a comparison indicator. There are SIX uses for AS. Be careful.
A and B are wrong, in part, because satellites are countable, but "amount" is for uncountable stuff.

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"Like" vs "As"
Like - used to compare two nouns.

e.g

Incorrect - Gita and Sita, as their mother Reema, are extremely smart.
Correct - Gita and Sita, like their mother Reema, are extremely smart.

As - used to compare two clauses. (A clause is a phrase that includes a verb).

Incorrect - Just like swimming is good exercise, running is a way to burn calories.
Correct - Just as swimming is good exercise, running is a way to burn calories.

Note : Do not use Like when you mean for example.


To simply a lot. In concrete this is the usage of Like VS As, if you keep in mind this is difficult to wrong aside the fact of SIX usage of AS (that is true, however).

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A. as the amount of both space debris and satellites...... : Amt of Satellites = Eliminated

B. ...........the amount of satellites and space debris : Amt of Satellites = Eliminated

D. with the continually increasing amount of space debris and the number of satellites : lets split the individual sections with the AND

with the continually inc amt of debris.........AND........with the continually increasing THE number of satellites = Does it not sound weird? Eliminated

E. the amount of space debris continuing to increase along with the number of satellites

Implies : The chances of collision increase WITH..... With what? The ans to this ? as stated in B

the amt of debris continuing to increase along with the no of satellites...... Along with WHAT of the no of satellites ?

Is it : the amt of debris continuing to increase along with the inc in no of satellites

OR

is it : the amt of debris continuing to increase along with the no of satellites continuing to increase

in both cases does it fall under the ambit of a sound construction/ does it make any structural sense : Eliminated

Left with C

C : as the amount of space debris and the number of satellites continue to rise

...........AS ( The amount of debris &The no of satellites ).......CONTINUE

............AS ( X & Y )........CONTINUE

.............AS ( X & Y BOTH= PLURAL )...........CONTINUE (PLURAL)

Leading to OA C, my understanding
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Answers A and B are incorrect. "Satellites" are countable. Therefore, it is incorrect to say "the amount of satellites."
Answer C is correct.
Answers D and E are much longer and redundant in comparison to answer C. Also they use "with" instead of "as", which is less favored in the GMAT. Moreover, answer E changes the intended meaning because of the use of "along with" instead of "and." The original sentence suggests that the number of satellites and the amount of space debris continue to rise and that these are two separate problems. Answer E states that the amount of debris is correlated with the number of satellites.
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why D is wrong? we need a clear reason to eliminate D.
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Nearly two tons of nuclear-reactor fuel have already been put into orbit around the Earth, and the chances of a collision involving such material increase greatly as the amount of both space debris and satellites continue to rise.

A. as the amount of both space debris and satellites continue to rise
B. as the rise continues in both the amount of satellites and space debris
C. as the amount of space debris and the number of satellites continue to rise
D. with the continually increasing amount of space debris and the number of satellites
E. with the amount of space debris continuing to increase along with the number of satellites

I agree with the OA.
However, I have two doubts:
a) In D and E, what is wrong with "with"? Is there a change in meaning?
b) Is "amount of" always singular or does it depend on the noun that is acting as object of the preposition? (amount of xxxxx)

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Nothing wrong with D and E in "with" but I think both option D and E are too wordy. If you have a better concise option choose that. So eliminate D and E and choose C.
BTW my choice of DC and other eliminations was based on countable and non-countable quantities. debris in non-countable so amount of is fine but satellites is countable so amount of is not correct. It should have number of next to it. SO eliminated A, B
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pls, explain fully why D is wrong. I think D is wrong because of meaning problem.

"with phrase" can modify noun a a clause. why "with phrase " is wrong in D.
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pls, explain fully why D is wrong. I think D is wrong because of meaning problem.

"with phrase" can modify noun a a clause. why "with phrase " is wrong in D.


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Choice D: with the continually increasing amount of space debris and the number of satellites
Notice the parallel list in this sentence – chances increase greatly with
a. The continually increasing amount of space debris
b. The number of satellites.
This is not the intended meaning of the sentence. Per the sentence both are increasing and this choice fails to communicate that.

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in c, " as" shows the simultaneousness of 2 actions, the intended meaning

in D, "with phrase" shows the context of the main clause and is distorted meaning.

I learn english when they study gmat

with they studying gmat, I learn english.

the second sentence is correct though "with" refers to no noun in the main clause.

in the context that thay study gmat, I study english. the first sentence has different meaning.

If choice D stand alone it is correct, but if C and D stand together and C is closer to the meaning of the original sentence, C is correct and D is considered distorted.

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I think intended meaning here is to give the reasoning for certain prediction using the conjunction "As". The use of "with" here gives impression that given events are the independent events that are occurring simultaneously, and hence fails to establish the causal relationship. Use of "as" is more appropriate here.

Choice (C) depicts the required reasoning and establishes the relationship between two events:
(cause) As the amount of space debris and the number of satellites continue to rise -> (effect) the chances of a collision involving such material increase greatly.

PS: Grammatically "with" can only act as a Preposition. It cannot be used as a conjunction.
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Nearly two tons of nuclear-reactor fuel have already been put into orbit around the Earth, and the chances of a collision involving such material increase greatly as the amount of both space debris and satellites continue to rise.

(A) as the amount of both space debris and satellites continue to rise

(B) as the rise continues in both the amount of satellites and space debris

(C) as the amount of space debris and the number of satellites continue to rise

(D) with the continually increasing amount of space debris and the number of satellites

(E) with the amount of space debris continuing to increase along with the number of satellites


why D is wrong

there is pattern
main clause+with+noun+noun modifier.

this pattern require a comma before "with". D has no comma.

in this pattern, "with...." can show the reason for the main clause. This reason happen before the action in main clause. So grammartically, "increasing amount and number" happen before the "increase" in the main clause. This is not logic.

the logic meaning relation between 2 actions is the simultaneousness which is expressed in choice C.

I think this question is strange because gmat never test a hard point like this
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pls, explain fully why D is wrong. I think D is wrong because of meaning problem.

"with phrase" can modify noun a a clause. why "with phrase " is wrong in D.


Hi there,

Choice D: with the continually increasing amount of space debris and the number of satellites
Notice the parallel list in this sentence – chances increase greatly with
a. The continually increasing amount of space debris
b. The number of satellites.
This is not the intended meaning of the sentence. Per the sentence both are increasing and this choice fails to communicate that.

Hope this helps. :)
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Can't "continually increasing " modify the amount and the number at the same time? And one more question. I understand that the amount of satellites is wrong. But just want to understand the structure. In B, can "the amount of" be understood in reference to satellites? Thanks.
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If you want "continually increasing" to modify the amount and the number at the same time, you cannot have the "the" before "number of satellites". Think of it as a parallelism thing -- "the" X amount and "the" number. The parallel structure and the conjunction suggest that there are two independent entities, so the adjective of the first (increasing) cannot apply to the second.

In B, you cannot have "amount" with the countable "satellites".


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