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I have the intuition that tells me I'm approaching problems fundamentally wrong, since when I give myself more time, I usually work very hard questions out; but under time pressure, it's like my brain shuts down and I can't even do 600+ level questions.

The way someone approaches a question can really make a difference sometimes. Try to see if you can develop a few "go-to" methods for certain question types. For example, whenever I see any "compound interest" questions on the GMAT, I'm already itching to see if a certain method I use will cut my solving time.

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Hi teothetroll,

Based on how you have been scoring on practice exams, you actually seem to be in a pretty decent place. That said, to continue to improve your GMAT quant and verbal skills, you need to go through GMAT quant and verbal carefully to find your exact weaknesses, fill gaps in your knowledge, and strengthen your skills. The overall process will be to learn all about how to answer question types with which you currently aren't very comfortable, and do dozens of practice questions category by category, basically driving up your score point by point. For example, if you find that you are not strong in answering Number Properties questions, then carefully review the conceptual underpinnings of how to answer Number Properties questions and practice by answering 50 or more questions just from Number Properties: LCM, GCF, units digit patterns, divisibility, remainders, etc. When you are working on learning to answer questions of a particular type, start off taking your time, and then seek to speed up as you get more comfortable answering questions of that type. As you do such practice, do a thorough analysis of each question that you don't get right. If you got a remainder question wrong, ask yourself why. Did you make a careless mistake? Did you not properly apply the remainder formula? Was there a concept you did not understand in the question? By carefully analyzing your mistakes, you will be able to efficiently fix your weaknesses and in turn improve your GMAT quant skills. Number Properties is just one example; follow this process for all quant topics.


Thanks Scott, yeah it seems to be a good way to do it. I have not really given deeper thought to the questions I get wrong, often because I would get a lot of questions right as well for each topic, and so not really thought it would matter on test day (you lose some, you win some). I think that chopping up the material and recognizing which area the problem relates to and then already have trained routines would calm me a lot on test day.

I think the math part is messing me as well because I, although getting strong grades in quantitative courses like finance, stats at uni etc., have thought of myself not to be a "math guy" and that I am not build for "mathematical thinking". I come from the Danish school system where you do most math on computers in high school so sometimes I just feel that math by hand (not messing arithmetic or an equation up) challenges me a lot more than others despite a strong conceptual understanding of the math. Any ideas on how to overcome that feeling or improve here?

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1) How long have you studied in total? Over the last 3 months, how many hours did you typically study each week?
2) Have you used any other study materials besides the course that you listed? What “brands” of CATs/mocks have you used over the course of ALL of your studies?
3) On what dates (or approximate dates) did you take EACH of your CATs/mocks and how did you score on EACH (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for EACH)?

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4) What is your overall goal score?
5) When are you planning to apply to Business School and what Schools are you planning to apply to? If you're planning to apply sometime soon, then what specific application deadlines are you facing?


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1) How long have you studied in total?
I started on the GMAT this summer as my first GMAT was scheduled for late September. I ordered the Manhattan prep books and the OG questions and then basically did some questions whenever I had the time in the first month (July). In August and September, I was working full time as an intern at a strategy consulting firm, so I could not really study productively apart from each Sunday, where I mostly just did OG problems for 3-4 hours. I did try some weeknights to get the studying done, but I was coming home after 10 pm most days, so it goes witout saying that did almost nothing to me. The week after finishing my internship, I did the GMAT and scored a 580, hitting something like Q34/V38 (can't really remember).

Over the last 3 months, how many hours did you typically study each week?
I probably studied around 5-6 hours per week, mostly inbetween lectures and on weekends. I just went through The Economist's topics step by step (integers, powers, etc.)

2) Have you used any other study materials besides the course that you listed? What “brands” of CATs/mocks have you used over the course of ALL of your studies?
I used some of Manhattan's CATs in September that I can't really remember. For the Economist's programme, you get the GMAC mocks 3,4,5,6 which I all did between the 10th of December and the 16th December before my 2nd attempt (yeah I know, probably drained myself for energy, not good...)

3) On what dates (or approximate dates) did you take EACH of your CATs/mocks and how did you score on EACH (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for EACH)?

I want to stress that the scores are inflated. For quant, a lot of the problems I just paused because I got so stressed out during the problems and looking at the timer. So I did never look up answers, but I paused a lot, naively thinking "you're probably not gonna make silly mistakes in the exam just because you're making them now".

-Practice exam 3: 710 (V40/Q48)
-Practice exam 4: 610 (V31/Q47) - did really bad on verbal here, can't really explain it other than probably nerves...
-Practice exam 5: 710 (V40/Q47)
-Practice exam 6: 690 (V37/Q47)
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Hi,

I need some advice on where to head from here. I am an undergraduate from a quantitative course and I took the GMAT in September, scoring 580 (something like a Q35/V34). ​I decided to cancel my scores and reattempted the GMAT today after 3 months of studying the Economist's prep programme alongside my university work.

I improved my verbal quite drastically, scoring V39, but my quant score fell to a shocking Q31, yielding 580.
I still don't understand how - I have done most of the OG problems, and all of the Economist's problems, and felt pretty confident that I could get a least a Q40+ score. There was a lot of word problems and weird problems on the test that I had no clue how to solve within 2 minutes, so I just ended up guessing. I don't know whether it was simply my conceptual understanding that lacks or whether it was me being nervous. There was just a range of problems where I had to give up and move on.

I did a a couple of official GMAT mock exams this time around, scoring 690-710 in most of them, mostly with a quant score of 47-48 and my verbal being very very high, V40+. However, I have this fundamental problem when I do mock exams that I get frustrated if I know how to crack a problem but spend too much time on it, and so I pause the exam; it's like an urge that comes from very deep inside me, and I can't really help it.

I hope someone can guide me what to do from here - I want to retake the test sometime in January or early February, leaving me with 4-6 weeks to prepare. What should I do? I feel like I'm studying unproductively and that I fail to test myself under real exam circumstances, but I just feel helpless about how to change it. I have the intuition that tells me I'm approaching problems fundamentally wrong, since when I give myself more time, I usually work very hard questions out; but under time pressure, it's like my brain shuts down and I can't even do 600+ level questions.

Thank you in advance

Sorry about how things went with your GMAT. There could be a couple of reasons for the drop in the score. Please go through the article below to find out the probable reasons.

Scored well on mocks but failed miserably on the test?

Having said that, it would be too early to conclude anything without knowing the actual reason. To understand what could have led to the drop in the score and to suggest you the plan of action, I need a little more information about your GMAT preparation. I would like to know more about

  • the time you are able to devote to studying each day
  • the way you prepared till now (your study strategy) and study plan you followed
  • your weak areas
  • your approach of solving questions
  • your target score

Answers to these questions will help me guide you in a better way. And I personally suggest to go for the retake only after you prepared well and are 100% confident.

Having said that, I would like to have a one-on-one conversation with you. The discussion would be mostly around the answers to the above questions and the plan of action. If you have an ESR with you, that will be even more helpful to get the insights about your performance. You use use the link below to schedule a call with me.

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Based on how you have been scoring on practice exams, you actually seem to be in a pretty decent place. That said, to continue to improve your GMAT quant and verbal skills, you need to go through GMAT quant and verbal carefully to find your exact weaknesses, fill gaps in your knowledge, and strengthen your skills. The overall process will be to learn all about how to answer question types with which you currently aren't very comfortable, and do dozens of practice questions category by category, basically driving up your score point by point. For example, if you find that you are not strong in answering Number Properties questions, then carefully review the conceptual underpinnings of how to answer Number Properties questions and practice by answering 50 or more questions just from Number Properties: LCM, GCF, units digit patterns, divisibility, remainders, etc. When you are working on learning to answer questions of a particular type, start off taking your time, and then seek to speed up as you get more comfortable answering questions of that type. As you do such practice, do a thorough analysis of each question that you don't get right. If you got a remainder question wrong, ask yourself why. Did you make a careless mistake? Did you not properly apply the remainder formula? Was there a concept you did not understand in the question? By carefully analyzing your mistakes, you will be able to efficiently fix your weaknesses and in turn improve your GMAT quant skills. Number Properties is just one example; follow this process for all quant topics.


Thanks Scott, yeah it seems to be a good way to do it. I have not really given deeper thought to the questions I get wrong, often because I would get a lot of questions right as well for each topic, and so not really thought it would matter on test day (you lose some, you win some). I think that chopping up the material and recognizing which area the problem relates to and then already have trained routines would calm me a lot on test day.

I think the math part is messing me as well because I, although getting strong grades in quantitative courses like finance, stats at uni etc., have thought of myself not to be a "math guy" and that I am not build for "mathematical thinking". I come from the Danish school system where you do most math on computers in high school so sometimes I just feel that math by hand (not messing arithmetic or an equation up) challenges me a lot more than others despite a strong conceptual understanding of the math. Any ideas on how to overcome that feeling or improve here?

Teodor

Yes, I think you just have to continue to expose yourself to "GMAT math". Yes, you understand math, in general, but you now need to get accustomed to doing GMAT math rather than the math you are used to doing from your high schools days. You know what I mean?
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