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I took the GMAT exam about a week ago and scored 700(Q47 V40). It was my fifth attempt and I can't register for another GMAT exam until late June because of the 5 times in a 12-month period rule. I scored 650-690 on my previous four attempts and it seemed like it was impossible to break the 700 barrier. I've been studying for about an year and finally got 700, but it's still below my target score of 730. I feel discouraged and disappointed in myself for not acheiving my target score even after five attempts and started to doubt whether I'm actually capable of scoring higher than 700 even if I take another GMAT exam. I feel stupid and frustrated after reading many amazing success stories of people who got 730+ on their first attempt with a few months of studying.

I've used up pretty much all the official resources available, including the 6 official mock tests, and I have to wait for another 2 months to register for another exam if I decide to stick with GMAT. Honestly, I'm not sure what I can do to improve my score for the next two months, especially for verbal, because I've exhausted most of the OG questions. Right after I scored 700 on my fifth attempt, I thought maybe it was a sign that I should stop and give up on MBA. But, I couldn't really let it go and move on after I gave it a lot of thought for a week.

Some of my friends who took GRE and got into top MBA programs have recommended me to take GRE instead of GMAT. I've taken a look at sample GRE questions and the Quant section seems straightforward but the verbal part, especially the vocabulary, seems more challenging than GMAT verbal. In GMAT, my quant is usually stronger than verbal (even though I scored Q47 in my fifth attempt, my quant scores from the 1st-4th attempts are Q49) and I'm not sure if it's a good idea to switch to GRE now. Given that I've used up all the OG materials for GMAT and I can't sit for another exam for the next two month, should I switch to GRE? Or should I stick with GMAT, study for another 2 months, and take another one in June?

If I decide to sit for another GMAT exam in June, would it be a bad idea to take GRE while waiting? I feel like many parts of GMAT (e.g. fundamental quant concepts, reading comprehension) are still transferable to GRE and wonder whether I should familiarize myself with GRE quetion styles for the next few weeks and take GRE while waiting for 2 months. I'm not saying it's going to be easy to score high on GRE with a few weeks of preparation, but I feel so stuck with GMAT and am not sure whether there's much I can get from long hours of study for GMAT. I feel like it might be a bad idea to switch back and forth between GRE and GMAT even if some skills are transferable. But, at the same time, I wonder if I should move on from GMAT. I feel like taking GMAT more than 5 times are not usual.

I'd appreciate any advice. I'm planning to apply in round 1(september 2023) and round 2 (Jan 2024) this year.

Today GRE or GMAT there is virtually NO DIFFERENCE

If you are good at quant on the GMAT, this is great. IS the way to go. Probably you will be fine on the GRE

as for the vocabulary, it is a PURE MYTH: Who does not know the GRE in its intimacy

It is true that the vocabs to digest is an important and vital part. However, IF you understand the sentence, its shifts, and twists, the contrasts, even IF you do not have or know tons of words you can still nail the sentence.

The other way around is NOT true.

I mean it is a pure combination of both but there is a caveat: suppose I am good to understand complicated sentences on the GRE (especially on the 4 or 5 levels) it is also true that I have a good level of standard English Language. Turns out, on my own, I do know a lot of words because I master the language.

The vice versa aspect: I do know 15,000 words but I do not get the gist of the sentence and its nuances then knowing tons over tons of words it is just sterile. A desert. It will not work for you

If you are interested in, see my post the GRE on a budget https://gre.myprepclub.com/forum/how-to ... 32019.html

Lot of free material. We do have also a dedicated forum for the GRE https://gre.myprepclub.com/
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Look for example this hard sentence/question

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The narratives that vanquished peoples have created of their defeat have, according to Schivelbusch, fallen into several identifiable types. In one of these, the vanquished manage to (i)_____the victor’s triumph as the result of some spurious advantage, the victors being truly inferior where it counts. Often the winners (ii)_____this interpretation, worrying about the cultural or moral costs of their triumph and so giving some credence to the losers' story.

from here https://www.ets.org/pdfs/gre/gre-practi ... verbal.doc

here is my explanation, it is a clear example of what I meat before

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This is a long statement that usually has 3 blanks. However, the first sentence is complete and as such could have some clue to put us on track.
Moreover, remember always to read the entire sentence to grasp the overall meaning; this is the best strategy you might follow because even if you spot a clue or more if you do not grasp the entire meaning you could miss one of the answers. A clue does not represent what is all about.

That said, what I do always is to split a sentence (if long like this one) into chunks and do a brief, 2 to five seconds, of brainstorming. Just a pinch.

The narratives that vanquished peoples have created of their defeat have, according to Schivelbusch, fallen into several identifiable types.

The first thing I do notice is that the word vanquished is unknown to my vocabulary. This is normal: the English language is so vast it is impossible to even for the most skilled academic professor to know everything. Consider this at a student level. Your goal is to understand the overall sense of the sentence and not indulge that much on a single word-meaning which is distracting and detrimental to your performance.

The narrative that vanquished peoples (is enough to know for now the word people) have created of their defeat.........at this point you should have an ah-ha moment: some people create something else (the narratives or stories) of their defeat. This means that vanquished are people defeated is some battlefield or war. That is great. Now we do know more or less the meaning of the sentence and on top of that: we have already some possible clues to keep in mind for the forthcoming two sentences. The narratives said by people defeated in some war fall into several streams.

At this point is premature to make some sort of forecast. But so far so good.

In one of these, the vanquished manage to (i)_____the victor’s triumph as the result of some spurious advantage, the victors being truly inferior where it counts.

What we do have here: in one of this sub-type of narratives, manage to (i) ______ the victory of the enemies (the vanquished's enemy) as a consequence of some spurious advantage: this means that the vanquished attribute the other victory to something else that is not skill-related, strategy or the well-prepared army but they think is, for instance, fortune related. I.E. the victory is the result of fortune or some divine intervention or some other cause outside the logical reasons

Looking at the answer choices,

construe I do not know honestly what that means. I assume always that a student DOES NOT know how to manage a word. If it was the contrary, if we did know every single word of the Oxford dictionary, then 70% of the GRE exam was a stroll. And this is not the case. Our goal is to contextualize it as much as possible a word, trying to carve out the most from it and to see if it fits the ballpark or not. Not knowing the exact meaning. Keep it for now.

anoint This word is even worse than the previous one. I am blank in my mind. At this point, the GRE is much of a strategy: stay calm, stay focused, and be aggressive. Do not lose count.

acknowledge This is easy: it means, essentially, to recognize. Cross off immediately and move on.

At this point you have two choices ahead of you: or you try to attack the third sentence and consequently the second blank or stop here and try to nail the first blank. This is hard decision-making and overall is what GRE is all about. Decision-making.

I decide to pick the first choice of my strategy to go ahead. After all, I can go back if necessary.

Often the winners (ii)_____this interpretation, worrying about the cultural or moral costs of their triumph and so giving some credence to the losers' story.

Now, in this question, we do have on one hand the defeated, and now, of course, we do have the winners. Often they (ii) ________ this interpretation: which means they do something about the interpretation of the victory by the vanquished. I.E the vanquished managed in a certain way their defeated AND the winner act accordingly to this. Woww.

My strategy was right. reading the third sentence I had a huge clue to fill in the first blank and to fill in the second as well. Now the entire story is much more clear to me :-D

The winners when they won, at the same time they are worried of the implications of their victory to the defeated(vanquished) in terms of moral costs and as it turns out they give some credit to what the vanquished say, some deal to the losers' story.

At this point the big picture is quite clear and could be recap this way: the defeated attribute their defeat to some other reason than the skillful enemy but rather to the fortune (for instance). And the same vanquished manage, craft their defeat in a certain way. As a consequence, the winners react to this interpretation not in a harsh way, considering the moral costs that a defeat implies to the losers.

Perfect.

looking at the answer choices in the first blank: construe vs anoint, even though I do not know the exact meaning of the two, from the context almost clearly construe suggest me something as construction; artifact: something to build, to manage, maybe a house. They must be the answer.

Looking at the second blank, at this point:

take issue with means to delve into some discussion or something related to solve an issue. Here as you noticed there is no issue to solve. Cross off

disregard The winners do not disregard anything. On the contrary, they have a sort of soft approach to the losers for the implication that a defeat could have. They do not disregard it, they instead take into account.

collude in this must be the second blank. Even if I do not know at all the meaning. However, the word collude reminds me of something close, which is the idea I had read the sentence. The winners are somehow close to the losers.

The answers are A and F.
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Hi ckay2517,

First off, a 700/Q47 is an outstanding Score, so you can reasonably apply to any Business Schools that interest you. As such, a retest might not be necessary. It's also worth noting that a 730 is well-above the 90th percentile - meaning that clearly most GMATers never score that high on the Official Exam (and the small number of 'success stories' that you've read about is NOT a representative sample). Depending on the Schools that you plan to apply to, you would likely find it beneficial to speak with an Admissions Expert about your overall profile and plans. Those Experts should be able to answer your Admissions questions and help define the specific areas of your profile that could use some improvement (and the more time that you have to act on that advice, the better). There's a Forum full of those Experts here:

https://gmatclub.com/forum/ask-admissio ... tants-124/

Before I can offer you the specific advice that you’re looking for, it would help if you could provide a bit more information on how you've been studying and your goals:

1) On what dates did you take EACH of your Official GMATs and how did you score on each (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores)?
2) Over the last 3 months, how many hours did you typically study each week?
3) What study materials have you used over the course of ALL of your studies? What “brands” of CATs/mocks have you used besides the Official ones?
4) On what dates (or approximate dates) did you take EACH of your CATs/mocks and how did you score on EACH (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for EACH)?
5) What Schools are you planning to apply to?

If you took your recent Official GMAT at a Test Center, then you might also choose to purchase the Enhanced Score Report. While the ESR doesn’t provide a lot of information, there are usually a few data points that we can use to define what went wrong on Test Day (and what you should work on to score higher). If you purchase the ESR, then I'll be happy to analyze it for you.

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In general, GRE has easier Quant and GMAT has easier verbal. There are also a lot more GMAT prep materials than GRE… you said that you exhausted all of the GMAT materials, that is hard to believe in is kind of crazy if you have to. That’s a lot of studying and a lot of questions.

There’s not a whole lot available for GRE in terms of official practice questions and exams…

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In general, GRE has easier Quant and GMAT has easier verbal. There are also a lot more GMAT prep materials than GRE… you said that you exhausted all of the GMAT materials, that is hard to believe in is kind of crazy if you have to. That’s a lot of studying and a lot of questions.

There’s not a whole lot available for GRE in terms of official practice questions and exams…

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Hi, I meant I've exhausted most of the OG practice questions, including the 6 official mock exams. I find third-party materials such as Manhattan and GMAT Club tests for Quant pretty good but I'm not sure about third-party verbal questions. For example, I scored very low on verbal on those third-party practice exams but still got a V40 on the actual exam. If I choose to stick with OG materials, especially for verbal, I won't see many new questions.

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In general, GRE has easier Quant and GMAT has easier verbal. There are also a lot more GMAT prep materials than GRE… you said that you exhausted all of the GMAT materials, that is hard to believe in is kind of crazy if you have to. That’s a lot of studying and a lot of questions.

There’s not a whole lot available for GRE in terms of official practice questions and exams…

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Hi, I meant I've exhausted most of the OG practice questions, including the 6 official mock exams. I find third-party materials such as Manhattan and GMAT Club tests for Quant pretty good but I'm not sure about third-party verbal questions. For example, I scored very low on verbal on those third-party practice exams but still got a V40 on the actual exam. If I choose to stick with OG materials, especially for verbal, I won't see many new questions.

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There are some good third-party Verbal practice questions. Also, there's much more to improving in Verbal than just doing practice questions. So, you can certainly continue to improve in GMAT Verbal.

For some insights into how to improve in GMAT Verbal, see this post.

How to Score High on GMAT Verbal
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Hi ckay2517,

I do think it would be a good idea to take the GRE. Why don't you take a practice exam to see where you stand? Also, here is a great article you can check out:

The GMAT versus The GRE

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