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10 Apr 2019, 09:05
Hello everyone,

Two years ago I took three practice tests without any test preparation to determine my baseline score and I averaged around 540. I didn't study at all since then, and I decided to really put in my effort to prepare, this year. I took two practice tests recently and scored an average of 380-390. Has anyone seen cases like this? It was really discouraging and I'd like to at least get a 700. Should I use 390 as my baseline score, moving forward? Not sure what caused this 100+ point drop.

Any advice will be appreciated. Thank you!
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10 Apr 2019, 16:03
Hi carpediem437,

Last year, GMAC shortened the Official GMAT (meaning both the number of questions in the Quant and Verbal sections and the amount of time that you’ll have to complete each of those two sections). In theory, a shorter Exam could make it easier for a well-prepared Test Taker to score higher; however, a shorter Exam is less 'forgiving', so you may have found it more challenging. There are a variety of other factors that you have influenced your performance, but they're not worth getting into at this point. We should proceed based on these 2 recent CAT Scores as a 'starting point' and build an appropriate Study Plan.

Raising a 390 to the point that you can consistently score 700+ will likely require at least another 3 months of consistent, guided study - and you'll have to make significant improvements to how you handle BOTH the Quant and Verbal sections. Taking any additional practice CATs/mocks at this point would NOT be beneficial - you need to now shift to learn the content and learning/practicing the proper Tactics. Thankfully, the GMAT is a consistent, predictable Exam, so you CAN train to score at a higher level. Before I can offer you any advice on how to proceed, it would help if you could provide a bit more information on your timeline and your goals:

1) When are you planning to take the GMAT?
2) When are you planning to apply to Business School?
3) What Schools are you planning to apply to?

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10 Apr 2019, 16:56
EMPOWERgmatRichC wrote:
Hi carpediem437,

Last year, GMAC shortened the Official GMAT (meaning both the number of questions in the Quant and Verbal sections and the amount of time that you’ll have to complete each of those two sections). In theory, a shorter Exam could make it easier for a well-prepared Test Taker to score higher; however, a shorter Exam is less 'forgiving', so you may have found it more challenging. There are a variety of other factors that you have influenced your performance, but they're not worth getting into at this point. We should proceed based on these 2 recent CAT Scores as a 'starting point' and build an appropriate Study Plan.

Raising a 390 to the point that you can consistently score 700+ will likely require at least another 3 months of consistent, guided study - and you'll have to make significant improvements to how you handle BOTH the Quant and Verbal sections. Taking any additional practice CATs/mocks at this point would NOT be beneficial - you need to now shift to learn the content and learning/practicing the proper Tactics. Thankfully, the GMAT is a consistent, predictable Exam, so you CAN train to score at a higher level. Before I can offer you any advice on how to proceed, it would help if you could provide a bit more information on your timeline and your goals:

1) When are you planning to take the GMAT?
2) When are you planning to apply to Business School?
3) What Schools are you planning to apply to?

GMAT assassins aren't born, they're made,
Rich

Hi Rich,

Really appreciate your response. Thank you!

1) Honestly not sure. I debated about registering for the official test first, but I unfortunately don't know how much time I'll need to reach 700.
2) Ideally, I would like to apply by the fall of this year (RD1). If not then applying next year shouldn't be too much of a problem.
3) USC PT MBA program and maybe UCLA's FEMBA program?

The reason why I want a 700 GMAT score is because of my low GPA (2.87).

Thank you so much for your insight.
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11 Apr 2019, 05:39
carpediem437 wrote:
Hello everyone,

Two years ago I took three practice tests without any test preparation to determine my baseline score and I averaged around 540. I didn't study at all since then, and I decided to really put in my effort to prepare, this year. I took two practice tests recently and scored an average of 380-390. Has anyone seen cases like this? It was really discouraging and I'd like to at least get a 700. Should I use 390 as my baseline score, moving forward? Not sure what caused this 100+ point drop.

Any advice will be appreciated. Thank you!

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I would like to know whether the recent tests were Gmatprep tests or not. Gmatprep tests are the closest to the official Gmat and represents a close score. If it was some other prep companies test, then you can expect them to be harder. Based on that start working on Quant and Verbal. You definitely need to work on both. Cear the concepts first and then proceed for the tougher questions. You can find lots of questions for practice in Gmatclub with quality explanation. All the best.
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11 Apr 2019, 10:21
Hi carpediem437,

After reviewing each section of this recent CAT, how many questions did you get wrong....
1) Because of a silly/little mistake?
2) Because there was some math/verbal that you just could not remember how to do?
3) Because the question was too hard?
4) Because you were low on time and had to guess?
5) How many Verbal questions did you 'narrow down to 2 choices' but still get wrong?

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12 Apr 2019, 05:02
Hi carpediem437,

I agree that it would be helpful to know whether all 3 tests were official practice exams. In any case, whether you are at a 380 or 540, you have some work to do to hit your 700 score goal, right? Thus, at this point, you should not really worry about the score drop. Rather, think about what you need to do, moving forward, to improve your GMAT quant and verbal skills. That said, do you need any advice regarding your study plan?

Also, you may find it helpful to read this article: How to Score a 700+ on the GMAT — A Mini Guide for Success.

Good luck!
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16 Apr 2019, 09:17
Hi Rich,

Sounds good. Thanks again for the insight. I will thoroughly review my most recent CAT and do my best to understand why I got a majority of the questions wrong.

Thank you!

EMPOWERgmatRichC wrote:
Hi carpediem437,

After reviewing each section of this recent CAT, how many questions did you get wrong....
1) Because of a silly/little mistake?
2) Because there was some math/verbal that you just could not remember how to do?
3) Because the question was too hard?
4) Because you were low on time and had to guess?
5) How many Verbal questions did you 'narrow down to 2 choices' but still get wrong?

GMAT assassins aren't born, they're made,
Rich
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16 Apr 2019, 09:19
souvonik2k wrote:
carpediem437 wrote:
Hello everyone,

Two years ago I took three practice tests without any test preparation to determine my baseline score and I averaged around 540. I didn't study at all since then, and I decided to really put in my effort to prepare, this year. I took two practice tests recently and scored an average of 380-390. Has anyone seen cases like this? It was really discouraging and I'd like to at least get a 700. Should I use 390 as my baseline score, moving forward? Not sure what caused this 100+ point drop.

Any advice will be appreciated. Thank you!

Hi
I would like to know whether the recent tests were Gmatprep tests or not. Gmatprep tests are the closest to the official Gmat and represents a close score. If it was some other prep companies test, then you can expect them to be harder. Based on that start working on Quant and Verbal. You definitely need to work on both. Cear the concepts first and then proceed for the tougher questions. You can find lots of questions for practice in Gmatclub with quality explanation. All the best.

Hello,

Appreciate the reply. They were from the Manhattan GMAT. I'll look into the Gmatclub practice questions.

Thank you!
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16 Apr 2019, 09:21
ScottTargetTestPrep wrote:
Hi carpediem437,

I agree that it would be helpful to know whether all 3 tests were official practice exams. In any case, whether you are at a 380 or 540, you have some work to do to hit your 700 score goal, right? Thus, at this point, you should not really worry about the score drop. Rather, think about what you need to do, moving forward, to improve your GMAT quant and verbal skills. That said, do you need any advice regarding your study plan?

Also, you may find it helpful to read this article: How to Score a 700+ on the GMAT — A Mini Guide for Success.

Good luck!

Hi Scott,

Thank you. The three tests were from the Manhattan GMAT.

YES, it would be greatly appreciated if you could share some advice on developing my study plan. To start, I'm planning to devote 2 hours each day, and 5 hours per day on the weekends. So about 20 hours a week.

Appreciate it!
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16 Apr 2019, 11:37
carpediem437 wrote:
souvonik2k wrote:
carpediem437 wrote:
Hello everyone,

Two years ago I took three practice tests without any test preparation to determine my baseline score and I averaged around 540. I didn't study at all since then, and I decided to really put in my effort to prepare, this year. I took two practice tests recently and scored an average of 380-390. Has anyone seen cases like this? It was really discouraging and I'd like to at least get a 700. Should I use 390 as my baseline score, moving forward? Not sure what caused this 100+ point drop.

Any advice will be appreciated. Thank you!

Hi
I would like to know whether the recent tests were Gmatprep tests or not. Gmatprep tests are the closest to the official Gmat and represents a close score. If it was some other prep companies test, then you can expect them to be harder. Based on that start working on Quant and Verbal. You definitely need to work on both. Cear the concepts first and then proceed for the tougher questions. You can find lots of questions for practice in Gmatclub with quality explanation. All the best.

Hello,

Appreciate the reply. They were from the Manhattan GMAT. I'll look into the Gmatclub practice questions.

Thank you!

If your 390 scores come from MGMAT, then it is because of your low quant score. For your information, the quant section in MGMAT mocks is truly hard and can not be comparable with gmatprep. So a drop in overall scores due to quant scores is a reasonable explanation for your case. Gmatprep is the most reliable mock you can test your current knowledge. Btw, u should practice w MGMAT after a long time studying or exhausting official mocks (Gmatprep). Good luck

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17 Apr 2019, 17:54
Hi carpediem437,

I’m happy to provide some advice. Since you are currently at a 380, you really need to follow a study plan that allows you to learn GMAT quant and verbal from the ground up. In other words, follow a structured and linear study plan that allows you to individually learn each GMAT quant and verbal topic, starting with the foundations and progressing to more advanced concepts.

For example, if you are learning about Number Properties, you should develop as much conceptual knowledge about Number Properties as possible. In other words, your goal is to completely understand properties of factorials, perfect squares, quadratic patterns, LCM, GCF, units digit patterns, divisibility, and remainders, to name a few concepts. After carefully reviewing the conceptual underpinnings of how to answer Number Properties questions, practice by answering 50 or more questions just from Number Properties. When you do dozens of questions of the same type one after the other, you learn just what it takes to get questions of that type correct consistently. If you aren't getting close to 90 percent of questions of a certain type correct, go back and seek to better understand how that type of question works, and then do more questions of that type until you get to around at least 90 percent accuracy in your training. If you get 100 percent of some sets correct, even better. Number Properties is just one example; follow this process for all quant topics.

When you are working on learning to answer questions of a particular type, start off taking your time, and then seek to speed up as you get more comfortable answering questions of that type. As you do such practice, do a thorough analysis of each question that you don't get right. If you got a remainder question wrong, ask yourself why. Did you make a careless mistake? Did you not properly apply the remainder formula? Was there a concept you did not understand in the question? By carefully analyzing your mistakes, you will be able to efficiently fix your weaknesses and in turn improve your GMAT quant skills.

Sentence Correction is a bit of a different animal compared to Reading Comprehension and Critical Reasoning. There are three aspects to getting correct answers to GMAT Sentence Correction questions: what you know, such as grammar rules, what you see, such as violations of grammar rules and the logic of sentence structure, and what you do, such as carefully considering each answer choice in the context of the non-underlined portion of the sentence. To drive up your Sentence Correction score, you likely will have to work on all three of those aspects.

Regarding what you know, first and foremost, you MUST know your grammar rules. Let's be clear, though: GMAT Sentence Correction is not really a test of knowledge of grammar rules. The reason for learning the grammar rules is so that you can determine what sentences convey and whether sentences are well-constructed. In fact, in many cases, incorrect answers to Sentence Correction questions are grammatically flawless. Thus, often your task is to use your knowledge of grammar rules to determine which answer choice creates the most logical sentence meaning and structure.

This determination of whether sentences are well-constructed and logical is the second aspect of finding correct answers to Sentence Correction questions, what you see. To develop this skill, you probably have to slow way down. You won't develop this skill by spending less than two minutes per question. For a while, anyway, you have to spend time with each question, maybe even ten or fifteen minutes on one question sometimes, analyzing every answer choice until you see the details that you have to see in order to choose the correct answer. As you go through the answer choices, consider the meaning conveyed by each version of the sentence. Does the meaning make sense? Even if you can tell what the version is SUPPOSED to convey, does the version really convey that meaning? Is there a verb to go with the subject? Do all pronouns clearly refer to nouns? By slowing way down and looking for these details, you learn to see what you have to see in order to clearly understand which answer to a Sentence Correction question is correct.

There is only one correct answer to any Sentence Correction question, there are clear reasons why that choice is correct and the others are not, and none of those reasons are that the correct version simply "sounds right." In fact, the correct version often sounds a little off at first. That correct answers may sound a little off is not surprising. If the correct answers were always the ones that sounded right, then most people most of the time would get Sentence Correction questions correct, without really knowing why the wrong answers were wrong and the correct answers were correct. So, you have to go beyond choosing what "sounds right" and learn to clearly see the logical reasons why one choice is better than all of the others.

As for the third aspect of getting Sentence Correction questions correct, what you do, the main thing you have to do is be very careful. You have to make sure that you are truly considering the structures of sentences and the meanings conveyed rather than allowing yourself to be tricked into choosing trap answers that sound right but don't convey logical meanings. You also have to make sure that you put some real energy into finding the correct answers. Finding the correct answer to a Sentence Correction question may take bouncing from choice to choice until you start to see the differences that make all choices wrong except for one. Often, when you first look at the choices, only one or two seem obviously incorrect. Getting the right answers takes a certain work ethic. You have to take the time to see the differences between answers and to figure out the precise reasons that one choice is correct.

To improve what you do when you answer Sentence Correction questions, seek to become aware of how you are going about answering them. Are you being careful and looking for logic and details, or are you quickly eliminating choices that sound a little off, and then choosing the best of the rest? If you choose an incorrect answer, consider what you did to arrive at that answer and what you could do differently to arrive at correct answers more consistently. Furthermore, see how many questions you can get correct in a row as you practice. If you break your streak by missing one, consider what you could do differently to extend your streak.

As with your Critical Reasoning and Reading Comprehension regimens, after learning a particular Sentence Correction topic, engage in focused practice with 30 questions or more that involve that topic. As your skills improve, you will want to practice with questions that test you on skills from multiple Sentence Correction topics.

In order to follow the path described above, you may need some new quant and verbal materials, so take a look at the GMAT Club reviews for the best quant and verbal courses. You also may find it helpful to read the following articles about
How to Score a 700+ on the GMAT and The Phases of Preparing for the GMAT.

Feel free to reach out with any further questions. Good luck!
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