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So i started studying for gmat one year back, as recommended, i took the gmat prep without studying and scored 440, being an engineer it was demoralizing for me, but i kept pushing myself after few months of studying, as the deadlines were approaching i had to take the actual Gmat, scored 540, again a stupid score for me.
Took more than a fair amount of time off from studying. i had to start from the scratch ....fast forward few months and i thought i should take another mock, this time it was from The Economist, which was 3 weeks back...scored 650 q48 v32...the next week i took the Manhattan practice test, scored 660 q44 v36 ...after 10 days,which is today i took the manhattan practice test again and scored 640 q42 v36.......my point is that i dont know where i am stuck , i dont know what should i do to improve my quant score, in my pointof view i've tried every possible thing to improve the score but i think i am stuck somewhere and i dont know what area is that.... it might be because of the way i study or something else....please please help me... i just want to get over with the gmat asap to concentrate on the other aspects of my application...if anyone could help me out with the study plan i would me more than grateful...some guidance from an expert is what i need at this moment>

Nishant,

Try categorizing the kinds of questions you are getting wrong -- are they word problems, rate problems, algebra, fractions, exponents? Once you categorize them and review questions you got wrong, think of all the different possible ways they could have tweaked that question and address it. For example, if you have a rates question with two trains moving away from each other -- what about if they move towards each other? And what about if they move perpendicular --- or one has a head start?

In our GMAT quant course, we take variations off of the same core concept and ask it in various different ways. The intention is that when you review one question -- that next time you see something similar, you are not psychologically frozen. Instead, you've seen something similar before and you have an approach that can be used even if the question is worded slightly differently.

So go back to all the questions you got wrong and categorize - and review why you got it wrong - but also think about possible variations for the future.


Thanks so much for the advice.... but the thing about creating similar problems seems complicated... i mean i cant know whether the problem i've created is not wrong .. if the question itself would be wrong then i'll be wasting my time trying to solve a wrong problem ...which would not help me get anywhere... and plus all this looks a bit time consuming...what do you think?
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Hi nishantdoshi,

Before I can offer you the specific advice that you’re looking for, it would help if you could provide a bit more information on how you've been studying and your goals:

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2) What materials have you used?
3) How have you scored on each of your CATs (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores)?

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5) When are you planning to take the GMAT?
6) When are you planning to apply to Business School?
7) What Schools are you planning to apply to?

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1 : close to a year now.
2 : The OG, Manhattan SC , OG verbal review, OG quant review, and i joined Jamboree for Gmat ...so their materials too.
3 : As i've mentioned, my scores have improved as compared to the previous attempts, started out with 440 now touching 660 mark, but in between i took quite a few CATs but the scores i remember are of the recent CATs.

4: it was 700 but now i can see that more than 700 is achievable ...so any score more than 710.
5: Well i was planning to take the test this month itself but for that i need to score around 700 consistently on Manhattan CATs for upto 3 times. so in November.
6: The first deadline is gone so the next deadline is my target.
7:Well actually i dont want to apply for the MBA programs, i want to do Data Science, and as this Degree is comparatively new, most of the top universities dont have this program. So the score above 700 would be sufficient for the admit.
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Hi nishantdoshi,

You clearly have made some great improvement by bringing your GMAT score from a 440 to as high as a 660. However, if you find that your quant score has plateaued you probably have some lingering weaknesses that should be addressed in order to raise your score. I understand that you have completed a prep course as well as many questions in the OG; however, you must remember that GMAT is such a challenging exam because there are relatively few questions asked in a given exam, yet those questions come from a huge topic pool. Thus, the best way to get a great GMAT score is to have a thorough understanding of all of the topics that may be tested on the exam. To develop such mastery, you want to strive for linear and targeted learning, and follow that with focused practice. In other words, you want to master one topic before you move to the next. Have you been able to study in this way?

For example, when studying quant, if you are learning about Number Properties, you should learn everything possible about that topic: LCM, GCF, units digit patterns, divisibility, remainders, etc. After that, be sure that you practice with at least 50 questions just on Number Properties. The results of that practice will help you to determine how well you have truly mastered that topic. Continue this process with every quant topic.

To help diagnose your GMAT quant strengths and weaknesses, I welcome you to take my free 37-question quant diagnostic. After completing the diagnostic, you will be provided with a detailed analysis of your proficiency level in all GMAT quant topics as well as an opportunity to discuss your results with me or another TTP instructor/coach.

Also, you may consider using study materials besides the Official Guide as your study resource. While the Official Guide is a great book because it has official questions from past GMATs, it has limited instruction and does not provide full exposure to all GMAT topics. For your retake, you may consider seeking out some robust prep materials that provide sufficient targeted practice for you to discover and fix your weak areas.

If you have any further questions, feel free to contact me directly.
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Hi nishantdoshi,

If the Program that you're interested in is 'relatively new', then do you have any application data for the Schools that offer this Program? For example, how do you know what type of GMAT Score each Program is looking for? A Data Science Program would likely place a greater emphasis on an applicant's Quant Scaled Score than Verbal Scaled Score - and that type of Program might also consider your IR score (even those many Business School Programs do not). This is meant to say that beyond studying for the GMAT, you will want to gather all the available information on the Programs that you're considering, so that you can put together the strongest OVERALL application possible.

Since you've listed CAT scores from 3rd-party CATs, I'd like to see how you score when you take an Official GMAC CAT. When you take that CAT, you should make sure to take the FULL CAT (with the Essay and IR sections), take it away from your home and under realistic conditions. Once you have that score, you should report back here.

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Hi nishantdoshi,

You clearly have made some great improvement by bringing your GMAT score from a 440 to as high as a 660. However, if you find that your quant score has plateaued you probably have some lingering weaknesses that should be addressed in order to raise your score. I understand that you have completed a prep course as well as many questions in the OG; however, you must remember that GMAT is such a challenging exam because there are relatively few questions asked in a given exam, yet those questions come from a huge topic pool. Thus, the best way to get a great GMAT score is to have a thorough understanding of all of the topics that may be tested on the exam. To develop such mastery, you want to strive for linear and targeted learning, and follow that with focused practice. In other words, you want to master one topic before you move to the next. Have you been able to study in this way?

For example, when studying quant, if you are learning about Number Properties, you should learn everything possible about that topic: LCM, GCF, units digit patterns, divisibility, remainders, etc. After that, be sure that you practice with at least 50 questions just on Number Properties. The results of that practice will help you to determine how well you have truly mastered that topic. Continue this process with every quant topic.

To help diagnose your GMAT quant strengths and weaknesses, I welcome you to take my free 37-question quant diagnostic. After completing the diagnostic, you will be provided with a detailed analysis of your proficiency level in all GMAT quant topics as well as an opportunity to discuss your results with me or another TTP instructor/coach.

Also, you may consider using study materials besides the Official Guide as your study resource. While the Official Guide is a great book because it has official questions from past GMATs, it has limited instruction and does not provide full exposure to all GMAT topics. For your retake, you may consider seeking out some robust prep materials that provide sufficient targeted practice for you to discover and fix your weak areas.

If you have any further questions, feel free to contact me directly.

Hi scott,
I try to study somewhat in a similar way, not exactly the way you said. If i think that a topic is consuming too much of my time then i just try to finish it quickly, just to touch another topic.
You said to study a topic and solve "at least 50 questions", how much time would you allot for the same?
And finding around 50 questions of one topic would be painful right? Where would you go for that?

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Hi rich,
Thanks for the advice regarding universities. I'll look into that.
And for the gmat prep CAT, I'm saving that one for the very end as i've only one left.

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Hi nishantdoshi,

If the Program that you're interested in is 'relatively new', then do you have any application data for the Schools that offer this Program? For example, how do you know what type of GMAT Score each Program is looking for? A Data Science Program would likely place a greater emphasis on an applicant's Quant Scaled Score than Verbal Scaled Score - and that type of Program might also consider your IR score (even those many Business School Programs do not). This is meant to say that beyond studying for the GMAT, you will want to gather all the available information on the Programs that you're considering, so that you can put together the strongest OVERALL application possible.

Since you've listed CAT scores from 3rd-party CATs, I'd like to see how you score when you take an Official GMAC CAT. When you take that CAT, you should make sure to take the FULL CAT (with the Essay and IR sections), take it away from your home and under realistic conditions. Once you have that score, you should report back here.

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