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I just got my TOEFL scores: 104 (28R, 25L, 26S, 25W). I am a native speaker, had to take the test because my undergrad is at a non-English speaking school. I scored an A on the Cambridge CPE (C2) exam, which is a harder exam than the TOEFL, and a perfect grade on the TOEIC, but unfortunately Harvard doesn't accept these tests.
The TOEFL tests for things other than English ability. I found speaking into a voice recorder for 30 seconds so unnatural, on my CPE exam I had a long conversation with the examiner and obtained a near-perfect score. Same goes for the listening section, which I found tests for short-term memory more than anything.
I understand Harvard has a 109 requirement. Should I take the test again, or do you think my other test scores could be enough to prove my level of English?
The TOEFL tests for things other than English ability. I found speaking into a voice recorder for 30 seconds so unnatural, on my CPE exam I had a long conversation with the examiner and obtained a near-perfect score. Same goes for the listening section, which I found tests for short-term memory more than anything.
I understand Harvard has a 109 requirement. Should I take the test again, or do you think my other test scores could be enough to prove my level of English?
24 Mar 2021, 13:33
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GMAT555:
I would take the TOEFL again. Based on what you wrote, the issue was with the process and logistics, not the nature of the test itself.
Since you are a native speaker, you should have no problem retaking the exam. I can't imagine you would need to prepare much, so what are the downsides? Time? Cost? If you are looking at going to Harvard, why put yourself in a position where you have to hope that they will take into account other considerations? If you ask me, that seems like an unnecessary risk.
For a 2+2 candidate, you really do not want anything like test scores or GPA to have a question mark next to it. Take it again and do well. Then you can focus on other elements in your background for this brutally competitive process.
Good luck,
Admissionado
I would take the TOEFL again. Based on what you wrote, the issue was with the process and logistics, not the nature of the test itself.
Since you are a native speaker, you should have no problem retaking the exam. I can't imagine you would need to prepare much, so what are the downsides? Time? Cost? If you are looking at going to Harvard, why put yourself in a position where you have to hope that they will take into account other considerations? If you ask me, that seems like an unnecessary risk.
For a 2+2 candidate, you really do not want anything like test scores or GPA to have a question mark next to it. Take it again and do well. Then you can focus on other elements in your background for this brutally competitive process.
Good luck,
Admissionado
24 Mar 2021, 23:21
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With some preparation, you should definitely improve your listening and speaking scores.
Listening: Actually TOEFL questions are mainly about overall understandings. There are indeed details questions, but if you make sure that you understand conversations / lectures in general, you should have no problem answering almost all of them. (The same cannot be said for IELTS detail questions.) Now, if you took notes in the test, practice not taking any notes. Conversely, if you did not take note during test, try taking notes for a change. Find one approach that suits you better. We take notes mainly to help us focus. In actuality, notes may only be needed for just 1-2 questions, which can still be answered correctly, albeit with low confidence level, without notes. You should aim for 28-29 for listening.
Speaking: Just relax for task 1. Showcase your native speaker's strength, and you should receive full mark. For task 2-4, you do need to make sure that you cover major points. Task 2 is the easiest: spend 20 seconds summarizing the reading materials. Then clearly and curtly mention "the man / woman agrees / disagrees". Spend the next 20+20 seconds to reiterate 2 points used by the man / woman to support his / her position. Task 2 should be a walk in the park for you.
Task 3 and 4 are designed to be more challenging so that TOEFL can differentiate top performers from good ones. One is harder than the other, and it can be task 3. Remember you have just 1 minute, so you can only cover the most important ideas and examples. Maintain normal speaking speed. Do not try to repeat everything.
You should get 28 in speaking.
As for writing, definitely write at least 325 words for integrated task and more than 425 words for independent writing. Make sure to use proper grammar by, for example, taking heed of all the major grammar rules covered in GMAT. You will then be guaranteed to a score around 25, which you did. In order to raise your writing score, you probably need to practice more.
You can do better! Good luck!
Listening: Actually TOEFL questions are mainly about overall understandings. There are indeed details questions, but if you make sure that you understand conversations / lectures in general, you should have no problem answering almost all of them. (The same cannot be said for IELTS detail questions.) Now, if you took notes in the test, practice not taking any notes. Conversely, if you did not take note during test, try taking notes for a change. Find one approach that suits you better. We take notes mainly to help us focus. In actuality, notes may only be needed for just 1-2 questions, which can still be answered correctly, albeit with low confidence level, without notes. You should aim for 28-29 for listening.
Speaking: Just relax for task 1. Showcase your native speaker's strength, and you should receive full mark. For task 2-4, you do need to make sure that you cover major points. Task 2 is the easiest: spend 20 seconds summarizing the reading materials. Then clearly and curtly mention "the man / woman agrees / disagrees". Spend the next 20+20 seconds to reiterate 2 points used by the man / woman to support his / her position. Task 2 should be a walk in the park for you.
Task 3 and 4 are designed to be more challenging so that TOEFL can differentiate top performers from good ones. One is harder than the other, and it can be task 3. Remember you have just 1 minute, so you can only cover the most important ideas and examples. Maintain normal speaking speed. Do not try to repeat everything.
You should get 28 in speaking.
As for writing, definitely write at least 325 words for integrated task and more than 425 words for independent writing. Make sure to use proper grammar by, for example, taking heed of all the major grammar rules covered in GMAT. You will then be guaranteed to a score around 25, which you did. In order to raise your writing score, you probably need to practice more.
You can do better! Good luck!
