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The most useful information to distinguish between the two hypotheses for the stones' function is:

(E) Whether there is any evidence of the presence of the relevant nutritional minerals in the fossilized bones of these dinosaurs

Here's why:

Option (A) focuses on grinding function, but doesn't address the mineral deficiency hypothesis.
Option (B) explores how stones function in modern birds, not necessarily relevant to this specific dinosaur.
Option (C) studies related species, but it might not clarify if they had similar mineral deficiencies.
Option (D) compares modern animals, but their needs might not reflect those of extinct dinosaurs.
However, (E) directly addresses the mineral deficiency hypothesis. If the relevant minerals aren't present in the fossilized bones, it would weaken the argument for stones supplementing those minerals. If they are present, it wouldn't necessarily confirm the deficiency hypothesis, but it wouldn't contradict it either.

Therefore, by analyzing the fossil bones for relevant minerals, scientists can directly assess the plausibility of the mineral deficiency hypothesis and narrow down the possible explanations for the stones' function.

I was experimenting with Gemini (Google AI thingy) and it also choose E as first choice. Then I prompted it saying that A is the correct choice. Following is the response:


I apologize, you're correct. Analyzing whether the stones had sufficient volume to grind the vegetation efficiently (option A) would indeed be more useful than analyzing the bones for minerals (option E) in deciding between the grinding and mineral supplement hypotheses. While both options provide valuable information, (A) directly addresses the grinding function, which is the primary alternative explanation to the mineral supplement hypothesis.

Here's a breakdown of why (A) is ultimately more relevant:

The main question is whether the stones helped grind food because the teeth were insufficient. Analyzing the stones' volume and grinding capability directly addresses this question.
While mineral deficiencies are possible, there's no specific reason to suspect them without further evidence. Analyzing the bones for minerals is a broader approach that doesn't directly eliminate the grinding hypothesis.
Finding minerals in the bones wouldn't necessarily confirm a deficiency, as they could have come from other sources. It would only weaken the mineral supplement hypothesis, not definitively disprove it.
Therefore, in this specific scenario, understanding the stones' grinding capacity provides more focused and relevant information to choose between the two hypotheses.

I appreciate you pointing out my mistake and allowing me to learn from it. It's important to consider all perspectives and analyze the problem thoroughly to reach the best conclusion.

Meanwhile ChatGPT's response:

To decide between the two hypotheses for the function of the stones found in the dinosaurs' stomach area, it would be most useful to know:

(C) Whether stones were found in the stomachs of related species of dinosaurs.

This information would help determine if the presence of stones was a common trait among similar species, supporting the idea that they served a particular function related to diet, such as aiding digestion or providing nutritional minerals. If stones were consistently found in the stomachs of related dinosaurs, it would lend support to the idea that they had a specific dietary purpose rather than being a random occurrence or anomaly.

Upon saying that A is the correct option:


My apologies for the oversight. Let's reconsider:

(A) Whether the stones had sufficient volume to efficiently grind the vegetation that served as the dinosaurs' food.

This option directly addresses one of the proposed functions of the stones, which is aiding in the grinding of vegetation. If the stones were large enough to effectively grind the tough vegetation consumed by the dinosaurs, it would support the hypothesis that they served a mechanical purpose in digestion.

So, the correct answer is indeed (A). Thank you for pointing that out!­
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I was experimenting with Gemini (Google AI thingy) and it also choose E as first choice. Then I prompted it saying that A is the correct choice.

Meanwhile ChatGPT's response:
Upon saying that A is the correct option:­
­Okay, so it's GMAT instructors and test takers vs. our eventual AI overlords. Let's start. No pressure!

We know that:
1. These dinosaurs were vegetarians
2. Their teeth could not have chewed enough vegetation (a) well enough (b) to provide nutrition to support their large size
3. There were stones in their stomachs­

The argument says that there are two possible reasons for (3): "help grind up the dinosaurs' food" or "nutritional supplements, supplying minerals not found in vegetation in large enough quantities".

The task is to figure out which option would help us choose between the {grind food} and {nutritional supplements} hypotheses.

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(A) Whether the stones had sufficient volume to efficiently grind the vegetation that served as the dinosaurs food
A. We know that the dinosaurs were vegetarians, so their nutrition doesn't come from other animals. We also know that they were so large that their teeth could not have chewed enough vegetation well enough.

If the stones were large enough to efficiently ("well enough") grind vegetation, that would support the {grind food} hypothesis. Alternatively, if the stones weren't large enough to efficiently grind vegetation, that would weaken the {grind food} hypothesis.

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(B) Whether the stones swallowed by ostriches or other modern birds serve to provide any nutritional minerals
B. The question tells us that as far as modern birds are concerned, the stones do {grind food}, not {nutritional supplements}. Therefore, by focusing on nutritional minerals, option B tries to link the first hypothesis to the second. Getting an answer to B would tell us whether it's possible for stones to do both {grind food} and {nutritional supplements}. It won't, however, help us choose between the two hypotheses.

Moreover, we don't know how large these modern birds are, so it's hard to say whether what applies to modern birds also applies to the large vegetarian dinosaurs the question refers to.

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(C) Whether stones were found in the stomachs of related species of dinosaurs
C. In the absence of any further information, knowing only whether stones were found in the stomachs of other dinosaurs won't help us understand what the function of these stones was.

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(D) Whether any large modern animals typically eat the same sort of vegetation as did these dinosaurs
D. We don't know (a) whether these large modern animals are similarly large, (b) whether they eat only vegetation, (c) whether their teeth can grind food well enough, and (d) whether these modern animals have stones in their stomachs. Therefore, information about whether they eat the same kind of vegetation isn't very useful in helping us choose between the {grind food} and {nutritional supplements} hypotheses.

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(E) Whether there is any evidence of the presence of the relevant nutritional minerals in the fossilized bones of these dinosaurs­­
E. ­­The question tells us that "the stones may have served as nutritional supplements, supplying minerals not found in vegetation in large enough quantities". Effectively, we know that vegetation can supply those minerals, just not in large enough quantities. So the presence of "any evidence" of such minerals isn't as useful as option A in helping us choose between the {grind food} and {nutritional supplements} hypotheses.

If option E had given us information about minerals not found (at all) in vegetation, that would have been far more helpful.­­­­­­­
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Scientists studying fossils of a species of dinosaur found stones in the dinosaurs' stomach area. These dinosaurs were vegetarians, but their teeth could not have chewed a sufficient quantity of vegetation well enough to provide nutrition to support their large size. Thus, the stones may have served to help grind up the dinosaurs' food, just as happens with ostriches and some other modern birds. Alternatively the stones may have served as nutritional supplements, supplying minerals not found in vegetation in large enough quantities.

In order to help decide between the two hypotheses for the stones' function, which of the following would it be most useful to know?

(A) Whether the stones had sufficient volume to efficiently grind the vegetation that served as the dinosaurs food
(B) Whether the stones swallowed by ostriches or other modern birds serve to provide any nutritional minerals
(C) Whether stones were found in the stomachs of related species of dinosaurs
(D) Whether any large modern animals typically eat the same sort of vegetation as did these dinosaurs
(E) Whether there is any evidence of the presence of the relevant nutritional minerals in the fossilized bones of these dinosaurs­­


The passage talks about stones found in dinosaurs. Because these dinosaurs were vegetarians, there are two theories: 1) that the stones helped these dinosaurs to better chew the vegetation to get adequate nutrition or 2) the stones themselves provided nutritional value in ways vegetation could not.

We're asked to look for something to help us decide between these two theories.

(A) is the answer. If the stones were not large enough anyway to help these dinosaurs to better chew, that would destroy the first theory. Imagine a stone had to be the size of a football to be of any value in grinding food but each was the size of a marble.
 
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­Scientists studying fossils of a species of dinosaur found stones in the dinosaurs' stomach area. These dinosaurs were vegetarians, but their teeth could not have chewed a sufficient quantity of vegetation well enough to provide nutrition to support their large size. Thus, the stones may have served to help grind up the dinosaurs' food, just as happens with ostriches and some other modern birds. Alternatively the stones may have served as nutritional supplements, supplying minerals not found in vegetation in large enough quantities.

In order to help decide between the two hypotheses for the stones' function, which of the following would it be most useful to know?

(A) Whether the stones had sufficient volume to efficiently grind the vegetation that served as the dinosaurs food
(B) Whether the stones swallowed by ostriches or other modern birds serve to provide any nutritional minerals
(C) Whether stones were found in the stomachs of related species of dinosaurs
(D) Whether any large modern animals typically eat the same sort of vegetation as did these dinosaurs
(E) Whether there is any evidence of the presence of the relevant nutritional minerals in the fossilized bones of these dinosaurs­­
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The main focus lies in choosing a option that can pove or disprove one of the hypothesis.

Important point to note is the stones may have well served both purposes, hence if we prove it was used for grinding that won't disprove they were used as mineral source.

But disproving one hypothesis would mean definitely proving the other.


If we can definitely prove stones not used for grinding - Used as mineral source proved
If we can definitely prove stones were not mineral sources - Used for grinding food proved


A: Disproves first hypothesis definitely if stones were not of sufficient volumes
B: Does not definitely prove the same for dinosaurs ( they were not birds )
C: Doesn't tells us about the Dinosaurs we are investigating
D: Doesn't involve the Dinosaurs we are concerned about
E: Presense of nutritional minerals doesn't mean they can't be used for grinding ( they may have ingested them to gring food , presense of minerals is coincidence )  doesn't disprove

Hence only an answer to option A has the possiblity to definitely disprove one hypothesis and prove the other !


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­MartyMurray - can you please explain? I also picked E
­I think option E can be rejected on the basis that "Vegetation can provide the minerals but not in large enough quantities. So if we find relevant minerals in fossilized bones , we cant be sure whether it is from vegetation or from some other source. So evaluating option E does not answer the question about which hypothesis is correct out of two
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