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Hello Everyone,
I have admits and scholarships from two very good programs- Cornell (40K) and Tepper (70k). My current experience is in Credit risk (3.5y) and consulting (1.5y) and I want to pivot into PM (companies such as Amazon, Microsoft and the likes) and will have consulting as a backup (especially given how the tech industry is currently not doing well. This is what I've gathered about both programs below so far with my conversations from various current students:
Tepper:
-More Quant focused program ( Exposure to analytics will be a useful given the world is moving towards tech/data driven)
I've also heard from current students that Tepper candidates tend to outshine others in their internships just because the curriculum is more robust and preapres you better than other MBA programs
- 15% of class (about 30 students) end up in PM roles and another 15% end in in PM related roles such as PM Strategy, Program Manager. For example, in a standard year, Amazon extends about 30-35 offers to Tepper and about 15 to Cornell. This makes me feel that I will have a stronger chance to go into pm through Tepper solely based on stats.
- Pittsburg is a better city to be in and offers things to do outside the campus
- Brand Value not as strong as Cornell (should matter in consulting but not so much in tech)
Cornell
- Strong Brand value with Ivy Status which can be a life long investment ( but I wonder how much value one should place on this especially if I'm successfully able to transit into PM role and don't end up opting for consulting)
- Ithaca is in the middle of nowhere and has harsher winters
- Since the school is more prominent for Banking and Finance, the support for PM roles will be modest and you're likely on your own. However, I hear from current students that this may be changing a bit as more students are going into tech and I have the option of doing Y2 in the Cornel Tech Campus in NYC. I hear alot of mixed views about support Cornell provides for tech focused folks.
-Given the tech industry doesn't bounce back to normal in the near to medium term, Cornell is superior at consulting placements
Please help me decide. It's the hardest decision since the outcomes from either school seem very similar and the difference in scholarships are not substantive enough for me to pick one over the other.
I have admits and scholarships from two very good programs- Cornell (40K) and Tepper (70k). My current experience is in Credit risk (3.5y) and consulting (1.5y) and I want to pivot into PM (companies such as Amazon, Microsoft and the likes) and will have consulting as a backup (especially given how the tech industry is currently not doing well. This is what I've gathered about both programs below so far with my conversations from various current students:
Tepper:
-More Quant focused program ( Exposure to analytics will be a useful given the world is moving towards tech/data driven)
I've also heard from current students that Tepper candidates tend to outshine others in their internships just because the curriculum is more robust and preapres you better than other MBA programs
- 15% of class (about 30 students) end up in PM roles and another 15% end in in PM related roles such as PM Strategy, Program Manager. For example, in a standard year, Amazon extends about 30-35 offers to Tepper and about 15 to Cornell. This makes me feel that I will have a stronger chance to go into pm through Tepper solely based on stats.
- Pittsburg is a better city to be in and offers things to do outside the campus
- Brand Value not as strong as Cornell (should matter in consulting but not so much in tech)
Cornell
- Strong Brand value with Ivy Status which can be a life long investment ( but I wonder how much value one should place on this especially if I'm successfully able to transit into PM role and don't end up opting for consulting)
- Ithaca is in the middle of nowhere and has harsher winters
- Since the school is more prominent for Banking and Finance, the support for PM roles will be modest and you're likely on your own. However, I hear from current students that this may be changing a bit as more students are going into tech and I have the option of doing Y2 in the Cornel Tech Campus in NYC. I hear alot of mixed views about support Cornell provides for tech focused folks.
-Given the tech industry doesn't bounce back to normal in the near to medium term, Cornell is superior at consulting placements
Please help me decide. It's the hardest decision since the outcomes from either school seem very similar and the difference in scholarships are not substantive enough for me to pick one over the other.
23 Apr 2023, 10:26
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Congrats on your admits!
Johnson is Finance and Consulting and Tech PM is a distant third. Not because they are bad at it but because it is not a focus and they feed graduates into the IB and Finance roles in New York City. If you are planning to head to Tech companies, that's not helpful to you.
It is great you have had conversations with students because the employment reports at business schools can be really opaque. There is no Tech PM role in many of them. There is technology but that's industry and you can be a Tech Consultant, Tech finance, etc. so you have to really dig deeper.
Looking at Tepper 2022 employment report, which was the best employment year in history of ever probably, so this gives you an idea of the "best case" - looks like about 30 people relocated west out of 143 (22% roughly of the class) https://www.cmu.edu/tepper/recruiting-a ... t-data.pdf and that's probably most of the 36 who said they are working in technology. Tech is #2 at Tepper. Consulting is the goal #1. Every time I look at Tepper Employment reports, I find something new... or rather differences between US News and Tepper data 🤷♂️
Keep in mind that Amazon hired 1,000's of MBA's. They hired MBA's to run their warehouses and supply chain as well as the much more prestigious AWA roles. There are differences in what an Amazon job offer is and similar with consulting so it is always better to talk with current students to make sure you hear the specifics.
I like Pittsburgh and Tepper, but I don't think things are as rosy as they are presented. This comment is particularly suspect:
"I've also heard from current students that Tepper candidates tend to outshine others in their internships just because the curriculum is more robust and preapres you better than other MBA programs" because the MBA curriculum does not really prepare you all that well for a consulting or tech pm role, esp during the first year. You are taking all the required courses such as Econ, Accounting, Finance, Marketing, OB, etc... it is a stretch. I am not saying it is not accurate but I would love to know more... the schools that I can see claiming this would be Darden and HBS since they use case method and that is HARDER than a lecture format, so I can see those guys bragging. Maybe finance professionals have more quant skills - there are ways to show them in the internship but as a PM, you will be mostly TALKING to people, building PRESENTATIONS, and SOLVING problems. There is not much curriculum you can apply.
Another item that should be clarified, for consulting recruiting there are 3 elements: 1) You and your resume and 2) Prep that you have done to prepare for the interviews, etc and 3) Consulting companies coming on campus. If #3 is true for both, It is not going to happen that your resume as a Tepper person will get rejected while Johnson would accept you for an interview. Very very Likely both will be invited or rejected to interview and it is up to you and your buddies to help you prep and aces it. Johnson being a bigger and stronger program, it has more resources, etc. It is still a credit to Johnson, but not just because of the name.
P.S. I would pick Tepper as it is more focused on tech. At the same time, Johnson is 2x the size of Tepper so 15% going to tech is the exact same number 😱
Good Luck!
Johnson is Finance and Consulting and Tech PM is a distant third. Not because they are bad at it but because it is not a focus and they feed graduates into the IB and Finance roles in New York City. If you are planning to head to Tech companies, that's not helpful to you.
It is great you have had conversations with students because the employment reports at business schools can be really opaque. There is no Tech PM role in many of them. There is technology but that's industry and you can be a Tech Consultant, Tech finance, etc. so you have to really dig deeper.
Looking at Tepper 2022 employment report, which was the best employment year in history of ever probably, so this gives you an idea of the "best case" - looks like about 30 people relocated west out of 143 (22% roughly of the class) https://www.cmu.edu/tepper/recruiting-a ... t-data.pdf and that's probably most of the 36 who said they are working in technology. Tech is #2 at Tepper. Consulting is the goal #1. Every time I look at Tepper Employment reports, I find something new... or rather differences between US News and Tepper data 🤷♂️
Keep in mind that Amazon hired 1,000's of MBA's. They hired MBA's to run their warehouses and supply chain as well as the much more prestigious AWA roles. There are differences in what an Amazon job offer is and similar with consulting so it is always better to talk with current students to make sure you hear the specifics.
I like Pittsburgh and Tepper, but I don't think things are as rosy as they are presented. This comment is particularly suspect:
"I've also heard from current students that Tepper candidates tend to outshine others in their internships just because the curriculum is more robust and preapres you better than other MBA programs" because the MBA curriculum does not really prepare you all that well for a consulting or tech pm role, esp during the first year. You are taking all the required courses such as Econ, Accounting, Finance, Marketing, OB, etc... it is a stretch. I am not saying it is not accurate but I would love to know more... the schools that I can see claiming this would be Darden and HBS since they use case method and that is HARDER than a lecture format, so I can see those guys bragging. Maybe finance professionals have more quant skills - there are ways to show them in the internship but as a PM, you will be mostly TALKING to people, building PRESENTATIONS, and SOLVING problems. There is not much curriculum you can apply.
Another item that should be clarified, for consulting recruiting there are 3 elements: 1) You and your resume and 2) Prep that you have done to prepare for the interviews, etc and 3) Consulting companies coming on campus. If #3 is true for both, It is not going to happen that your resume as a Tepper person will get rejected while Johnson would accept you for an interview. Very very Likely both will be invited or rejected to interview and it is up to you and your buddies to help you prep and aces it. Johnson being a bigger and stronger program, it has more resources, etc. It is still a credit to Johnson, but not just because of the name.
P.S. I would pick Tepper as it is more focused on tech. At the same time, Johnson is 2x the size of Tepper so 15% going to tech is the exact same number 😱
Good Luck!
