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# The Forbidden City in Beijing, from which the emperors ruled

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30 Jul 2006, 16:23
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The Forbidden City in Beijing, from which the emperors ruled by heavenly mandate, was a site which a commoner or foreigner could not enter without any permission, on pain of death.
(A) which a commoner or foreigner could not enter without any permission,
(B) which a commoner or foreigner could enter without any permission only
(C) which no commoner or foreigner could enter without permission,
(D) which, without permission, neither commoner or foreigner could only enter,
(E) which, to enter without permission, neither commoner or foreigner could do,

i am posting this again as I am not sure what the OA is. I shall give my choice later

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30 Jul 2006, 16:37
Is it (B).
"commoners and foreginers" could enter the forbidden city withoput permission only if they risked death.

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30 Jul 2006, 17:59
IMO, B..

The Forbidden City in Beijing, from which the emperors ruled by heavenly mandate which a commoner or foreigner could enter without any permission only on pain of death..
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30 Jul 2006, 18:13
is this wrong? a commoner or foreigner
why not a commoner or A foreigner

Just curious

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30 Jul 2006, 18:30
should be B here... the only way it makes sense and there is nothing dangling in the end

hey CHEN... how do you come up with exact percentages? to the digit number

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30 Jul 2006, 18:40
heh heh I reduce choices to B,C and don't know which is really better
so I think that if I can choose 2 choices I will spend 77% on this
and the rest on the others.

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30 Jul 2006, 21:19
Will go with C.

B and C are the choices but B is too weird.
The dangling part can be linked to the clause before "which"

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30 Jul 2006, 22:19
the classic SC question.

should be C. no commner/foreigner is general. B is only for a foreigner/commner.

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30 Jul 2006, 22:21
C sounds nice...but when you put it into the sentence, the last bit - "on pain of death." doesn't sound correct. It can't be that the site is on pain of death....

Hence, B is my choice...since it seems to fit better than C and is more logical....ie only on pain of death can a person enter the site..otherwise he would need permission...
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31 Jul 2006, 11:42
I think C.

Without .. only seems to me slightly weird. I may be wrong.

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31 Jul 2006, 13:14
I'm not familiar with how the phrase 'on pain of death' should be treated, so I was stuck between B & C.

A, D & E all have major flaws.

I like the structure of C, but I don't know if you can just add 'on pain of death' to the end of it. On the other hand, B gives a good conclusion as 'only on pain of death' seems to make sense, but the early part of the sentence seems to needlessly swap positive and negative ideas.

I'll go with C, but clearly this would be no better than a 50/50 choice on test day because I'm just not sure how 'on pain of death' should be handled. Not something that I say much in everyday life.

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31 Jul 2006, 15:57
Yes I also in this case I would go for C but looking at the other points made on B there could be discussion on ......
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31 Jul 2006, 16:21
old_dream_1976 wrote:
The Forbidden City in Beijing, from which the emperors ruled by heavenly mandate, was a site which a commoner or foreigner could not enter without any permission, on pain of death.
(A) which a commoner or foreigner could not enter without any permission,
(B) which a commoner or foreigner could enter without any permission only
(C) which no commoner or foreigner could enter without permission,
(D) which, without permission, neither commoner or foreigner could only enter,
(E) which, to enter without permission, neither commoner or foreigner could do,

i am posting this again as I am not sure what the OA is. I shall give my choice later

This is clearly B. A commoner or foreigner could enter the forbidden city without any permission only on pain of death. This means that if a C or F entered the city without permission, he/she would suffer the pain of death.

C does not provide a connection between 'on pain of death' and the rest of the sentence.

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31 Jul 2006, 17:50
old_dream_1976 wrote:
The Forbidden City in Beijing, from which the emperors ruled by heavenly mandate, was a site which a commoner or foreigner could not enter without any permission, on pain of death.

(A) which a commoner or foreigner could not enter without any permission,
(B) which a commoner or foreigner could enter without any permission only
(C) which no commoner or foreigner could enter without permission,
(D) which, without permission, neither commoner or foreigner could only enter,
(E) which, to enter without permission, neither commoner or foreigner could do,

no guys. B cannot be a correct though the phrase "on pain of death" doesnot sound good. use of "only" in B is a clear misplaced. Also B talks about only "a commoner/a foreigner" where as in C it is about "all commomer/ all foreigner". B also changes the meaning.

so should be C.

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31 Jul 2006, 19:19
on pain of death - usage

on/under pain of death formal

if you are told to do something on pain of death, you will be killed if you do not do it
They had been told to leave their homes by noon on pain of death.

source: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define. ... 3+0&dict=I

it is between C and B

C is good but I do not like the 'no' (negative) in the sentence if it had been

which a commoner or foreigner could enter without permission, on pain of death ---- it would have been the clear answer.

in B 'only' sounds redundant but the sentence has no other fault.

looks like the mystery lives on

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31 Jul 2006, 20:55
I'll go with C.
'any' seems redundant in choice 'B'.

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09 Aug 2006, 09:16
zoom612 wrote:
I'll go with C.
'any' seems redundant in choice 'B'.

The OA is C. All those who sleected C, can u pls explain why?

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09 Aug 2006, 10:50
I chose B as well. But then i realized that "on pain of death" is an absolute phrase

The Forbidden City in Beijing, from which the emperors ruled by heavenly mandate, was a site which no commoner or foreigner could enter without permission, on pain of death.

Absolute phrases often add a focusing detail or point of focus to the idea of the main clause -- They do not directly connect to or modify any specific word in the rest of the sentence; instead, they modify the entire sentence, adding information.

Like in this case, the idea is you could enter the site without permission only on pain of death --- so no commoners or foreigners were allowed to enter withouth permission, on pain of death. --- the contrast or the focussing detail is that if you entered it would be on pain of death.. so it is the ENTRY WITHOUT PERMISSION that SIGNIFIES "Pain of Death"

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09 Aug 2006, 11:06
dwivedys wrote:
I chose B as well. But then i realized that "on pain of death" is an absolute phrase

The Forbidden City in Beijing, from which the emperors ruled by heavenly mandate, was a site which no commoner or foreigner could enter without permission, on pain of death.

Absolute phrases often add a focusing detail or point of focus to the idea of the main clause -- They do not directly connect to or modify any specific word in the rest of the sentence; instead, they modify the entire sentence, adding information.

Like in this case, the idea is you could enter the site without permission only on pain of death --- so no commoners or foreigners were allowed to enter withouth permission, on pain of death. --- the contrast or the focussing detail is that if you entered it would be on pain of death.. so it is the ENTRY WITHOUT PERMISSION that SIGNIFIES "Pain of Death"

Excellent!!!!

Apart from this:

"on pain of" is an idiom that means "subject to penalty or punishment of"
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09 Aug 2006, 11:28
Talk about overconfidence....I was sure B was correct

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