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The Real (SLIM) MBA (Shady) Rankings

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The US news tracks student "quality", FT tracks earning potential, BW tracks a bunch of things (and maybe nothing) and Forbes is all about the fortune (ROI).

So what does an old boy (or girl, chill) do when they look to rankings and try to identify their school of choice?

Well, for international students, their region and function of influence matters a great deal. If you are in India or China - British universities still hold a great deal of prestige just from name in old school organizations and their LDP programs. Colonialism be damned, there is value prescribed to an LBS or Oxford or Cambridge which defies stats or logic.

The whole US school vs INSEAD/LBS debate has been had and won (by the US schools). Duke, NYU, Ross all receive twice the number of applications per seat as LBS or Insead. A quick search of "MBA Intern" for jobs on Linkedin filtered for UK vs USA will tell you the difference in demand.

alexchu had the best go at it - there is a top 8 - HSW, Booth, Kellogg, Sloan, CBS and Tuck in no particular order. Then top 16 - Ross, NYU, Duke, Darden, Cornell, Yale, Haas and UCLA (in no particular order). Of course region matters (or not) and function matters (or not). I'd usually average 5 years worth of rankings anywhere to get this list.

So which school is better - Tuck or Ross? No scholarship and no regional biases aside, you go with where your choice firm hires more. i.e. Tuck for MBB and Ross for Amazon. Remote schools are tougher for banking jobs, which is why NYU holds its top 10 credentials regularly, despite maybe a dwindling cult following on Gmatclub.

Speaking of cult following - here's P&Q with their thoughts : https://poetsandquants.com/2016/05/27/u ... ss-seat/2/

Paid advertising aside, take money when you can, go to the best school that'll have you, and if you get in IIM-A in India just do it!!
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I'm struggling to understand what the point of this post is.

In particular I disagree with your hasty assessment of US schools vs LBS/INSEAD. I'm not sure who it serves either. Both schools have placement into the most prestigious employers and both schools have an impressive alumni network.

In fact, based on the new proposed WSJ ranking, I would be surprised if INSEAD did not trade blows with the HSW. It has an enormous and very successful alumni network, its research ouput is excellent, has a very strong alumni list, and job placements into top tier firms is leading. In Europe/Asia, it is literally INSEAD and Harvard vying for top spot.

Finally, applicants and applicant quality are two different things. INSEAD probably has a filtered list of applicants due to the language requirement and strong emphasis on international experience.
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I "sort of" agree with your final point - although the way you set it up was odd - "applicant vs applicant quality is different?" I didn't quite understand this comparison but I'm guessing you mean that non-nativ english speakers score lower on the GMAT? While that may be true, they also score a bit higher on the quant section (although that may only be true of Asians).

In any case, it does not deflect from the fact that US schools are blessed with far higher number of applications per year, better job opportunities and greater academic excellence pathways.

The point of this post is to share my insight into the world of B-school comparisons - that's kind of what we do on on GMATClub (among many other things).
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In any case, it does not deflect from the fact that US schools are blessed with far higher number of applications per year, better job opportunities and greater academic excellence pathways.



I already addressed applications per year as being a false way to determine school quality, and job opportunities are better at LBS/INSEAD than most of the M7. "Greater academic excellence pathways"...right.
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In any case, it does not deflect from the fact that US schools are blessed with far higher number of applications per year, better job opportunities and greater academic excellence pathways.



I already addressed applications per year as being a false way to determine school quality, and job opportunities are better at LBS/INSEAD than most of the M7. "Greater academic excellence pathways"...right.


Where did you find LBS/INSEAD job opportunities information? INSEAD has been very secretive with their stats and I have struggled to find any feedback, including even the number of students attending the program. It has been a black box in the past if you ask me, and I would rank them lower just for that.
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Yes - greater academic pathways. In case one would like to do their PhD or even join a private research center.

How have you addressed the applications being a false way to determine school quality? You seem pretty adamant on the whole EU schools are better narrative mate - mind substantiating any of your claims?

As far as opportunities in US vs UK are concerned - a simple Linkedin search for MBA jobs (for full time as well as summer grads) will reveal the truth.

I will say this - going to LBS or Insead seems to be richer life experience - considering the travel and international cohort. I'm sure the caliber of the faculty is no slouch either - but overall, US schools have an edge. There's just no way around that.

Let me ask this - FT ranks IESE above Duke, NYU, Tuck and Yale - would you go to IESE over those schools if you are location agnostic?


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In any case, it does not deflect from the fact that US schools are blessed with far higher number of applications per year, better job opportunities and greater academic excellence pathways.



I already addressed applications per year as being a false way to determine school quality, and job opportunities are better at LBS/INSEAD than most of the M7. "Greater academic excellence pathways"...right.
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In any case, it does not deflect from the fact that US schools are blessed with far higher number of applications per year, better job opportunities and greater academic excellence pathways.



I already addressed applications per year as being a false way to determine school quality, and job opportunities are better at LBS/INSEAD than most of the M7. "Greater academic excellence pathways"...right.


Where did you find LBS/INSEAD job opportunities information? INSEAD has been very secretive with their stats and I have struggled to find any feedback, including even the number of students attending the program. It has been a black box in the past if you ask me, and I would rank them lower just for that.


Is this not the relevant information? https://www.insead.edu/sites/default/fi ... istics.pdf
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How have you addressed the applications being a false way to determine school quality? You seem pretty adamant on the whole EU schools are better narrative mate - mind substantiating any of your claims?


I don't think EU schools are better. I just don't think a blanket statement which says that the US schools have won some nonsensical "war" is that constructive. The application number is not the right way to assess a school's candidate quality because they play in entirely different geographies and have different admissions requirements.

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As far as opportunities in US vs UK are concerned - a simple Linkedin search for MBA jobs (for full time as well as summer grads) will reveal the truth.


But this isn't about the US vs UK. And really, if you want to compare them, LBS feeds into the world's financial capital, and INSEAD is THE consulting target schools for Europe and Asia.

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I will say this - going to LBS or Insead seems to be richer life experience - considering the travel and international cohort. I'm sure the caliber of the faculty is no slouch either - but overall, US schools have an edge. There's just no way around that.


You've made an unqualified statement. There's no way around what?

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Let me ask this - FT ranks IESE above Duke, NYU, Tuck and Yale - would you go to IESE over those schools if you are location agnostic?


When did this become about FT? I thought it was LBS/INSEAD.
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