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Updated based in Class of 2020 & 2021 profiles Rotman receives about 1,500 applications for its 295 spots.
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Where did you get this number from? If I recall correctly, the number was 2100 two years ago and applications are up about 20-30 percent since then.
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Updated based in Class of 2020 & 2021 profiles Rotman receives about 1,500 applications for its 295 spots.

Where did you get this number from? If I recall correctly, the number was 2100 two years ago and applications are up about 20-30 percent since then.
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The article below showed that Rotman received about 1,200 applications in 2013

https://fortune.com/2013/01/28/inside-m ... l-decides/

According to GMAC, 2017 to 2018 saw the highest increase in applications to Canadian MBA's at 7.7%; not 20 to 30%.

https://www.macleans.ca/economy/busines ... mpetition/

1,200 to 1,500 is a 25% increase, which I thought was reasonable, especially considering that I put the yield rate at 50%.

Oxford, HEC Paris, and LBS average a little over 2,000 applications each, I don't think Rotman's application pool is as large as those schools, especially when you consider that Canada has half the population of France & UK respectively.
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The article below showed that Rotman received about 1,200 applications in 2013
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1,200 to 1,500 is a 25% increase, which I thought was reasonable, especially considering that I put the yield rate at 50%.
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Your assumptions are wrong. Rotman applications were up 30% in one year (2018) and I believe 20% in 2017 after Trump got elected.

Source: https://inside.rotman.utoronto.ca/admis ... n-general/

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Oxford, HEC Paris, and LBS average a little over 2,000 applications each, I don't think Rotman's application pool is as large as those schools, especially when you consider that Canada has half the population of France & UK respectively.
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Rotman does get more applications than Oxford and HEC Paris and probably gets the same number of applications as LBS. It has less to do with the population and more to do with Canada's immigration system. Look at the growth in GMAT Club Rotman submissions- they're a fairly good indicator of school popularity.
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The article below showed that Rotman received about 1,200 applications in 2013

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1,200 to 1,500 is a 25% increase, which I thought was reasonable, especially considering that I put the yield rate at 50%.

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Your assumptions are wrong. Rotman applications were up 30% in one year (2018) and I believe 20% in 2017 after Trump got elected.

Source: https://inside.rotman.utoronto.ca/admis ... n-general/

According to your source, the 30% jump was in 2017 after the US Visa situation became a little more tumultuous.

I assumed 1,200 applicants remained relatively steady from 2013 to 2016, then 30% jump lands us around 1,500 for class of 2019 + about 8% growth class of 2020 (According to GMAC).

I'll bump the figures in the original post to 1,700 based on the source you provided. :thumbup:

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Oxford, HEC Paris, and LBS average a little over 2,000 applications each, I don't think Rotman's application pool is as large as those schools, especially when you consider that Canada has half the population of France & UK respectively.

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Rotman does get more applications than Oxford and HEC Paris and probably gets the same number of applications as LBS. It has less to do with the population and more to do with Canada's immigration system. Look at the growth in GMAT Club Rotman submissions- they're a fairly good indicator of school popularity.
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I really don't think Rotman's applicant pool could be near LBS (2,500+ Applicants), or even HEC Paris (2,100+); the average candidate at both schools has a near-700 GMAT.

If they had an equally sized pool of candidates, they would have a more comparable average GMAT (Rotman Class of 2021 is at 669). Also, the population is important because nearly half of Canadian & European MBA program applicants are domestic.
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I really don't think Rotman's applicant pool could be near LBS (2,500+ Applicants), or even HEC Paris (2,100+); the average candidate at both schools has a near-700 GMAT.

If they had an equally sized pool of candidates, they would have a more comparable average GMAT (Rotman Class of 2021 is at 669). Also, the population is important because nearly half of Canadian & European MBA program applicants are domestic.
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Rotman stopped focusing solely on the GMAT in 2017- You will notice that despite applications rising 30% in 2017, the average GMAT actually fell 10 points. So for Rotman, the average GMAT isn't correlated with the number of applicants.

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I assumed 1,200 applicants remained relatively steady from 2013 to 2016, then 30% jump lands us around 1,500 for class of 2019 + about 8% growth class of 2020 (According to GMAC).
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You're grossly understating the growth from 2013-2017- The international student population in Canada/Toronto grew by 12% and 8% respectively and Rotman's MBA class almost doubled in size in that same period.

Furthermore, if you look at the Rotman GMAT Club applicant tracker, the growth in applications was 14% in 2016, 13% in 2018 and 19% in 2019. If you assume a (very very conservative) 3% annually from 2013-2016 and then 30% in 2017 and then 10% annually in 2018 and 2019, you get to 2300 - Which is still wayyyy understated if you ask me.
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I assumed 1,200 applicants remained relatively steady from 2013 to 2016, then 30% jump lands us around 1,500 for class of 2019 + about 8% growth class of 2020 (According to GMAC).
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The University of Toronto’s Rotman School of Management reports a 34-per-cent spike in applications for its MBA program from international students compared to a year ago.

source: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report- ... e34355997/

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'We’ve had some pretty serious positive trajectory over the last number of years here at Rotman. So much so that our application volume for the FT MBA Program has doubled in the last 5 years. '

Source: https://inside.rotman.utoronto.ca/admis ... need-know/

That's in 2017- so that would make it ~2400 from ~1200 in 2013? Add another 10% over 2018 and 2019, and it takes the number of applicants ~2900 which probably on the higher range of where the actual volume is at.
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I assumed 1,200 applicants remained relatively steady from 2013 to 2016, then 30% jump lands us around 1,500 for class of 2019 + about 8% growth class of 2020 (According to GMAC).

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The University of Toronto’s Rotman School of Management reports a 34-per-cent spike in applications for its MBA program from international students compared to a year ago.

source: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report- ... e34355997/

International demand definitely went up, but domestic demand for Canadian MBA programs has been falling, the class of 2021 is only 42% domestic.

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Furthermore, if you look at the Rotman GMAT Club applicant tracker, the growth in applications was 14% in 2016, 13% in 2018 and 19% in 2019. If you assume a (very very conservative) 3% annually from 2013-2016 and then 30% in 2017 and then 10% annually in 2018 and 2019, you get to 2300 - Which is still wayyyy understated if you ask me.
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I think this is a more granular assessment that I can get behind, I'm still a little hesitant to put Rotman over 2,000 applicants, but stats don't lie :thumbup:

I think it will be one the only schools with 2K+ Applications and a sub-680 Average GMAT, which I find hard to believe, no matter how "holistic" they say they are lol.

I will adjust all the numbers to 2,300 nearly double the 2013 figures as suggested above, but I think I will lower the estimated Yield Rate because on GMATClub Tracker it's single-digit for both Rotman & Ivey :lol:

I don't have any updated information on Ivey so I'll assume the growth in application volume isn't as exponential as Rotman.

Thanks for the source material!
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One more change. Ivey receives 830 applicants for 166 spots. So Ivey's acceptance rates for both Domestic and International students are far higher that your estimates.

Source: https://www.economist.com/whichmba/west ... 2018?tab=6
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One more change. Ivey receives 655 applicants for 131 spots. So Ivey's acceptance rates for both Domestic and International students are far higher that your estimates.

Source: https://www.economist.com/whichmba/west ... 2015?tab=6
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Yeah I saw that but Ivey's class has been 140+ for a while now, the class of 2020 is at 151.

https://poetsandquants.com/2015/10/22/m ... y=students

The most up to date source I have found, but it's from 4 years ago, for the class entering in 2015 (Pre-Trump). It was 748 Applications, for 141 spots.

In an interview with J.D Clark, Admissions director at Ivey, I think it was on TouchMBA or another podcast, he mentioned they were at around 1,000 applications for the class of 2017 (entering 2016). Which is in-line with the 30%+ increase Rotman saw the same year.

Trump did wonders for Canadian MBA's :lol:
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One more change. Ivey received 830 applicants for 166 spots in 2018- Numbers provided by Ivey.

Source: https://www.economist.com/whichmba/west ... 2018?tab=6
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Found a more recent source from 2018

830 applicants in 2018- Assuming a 10% growth rate as we have with Rotman you get to ~1000 applicants for Ivey for the class of 2020
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One more change. Ivey received 830 applicants for 166 spots in 2018- Numbers provided by Ivey.

Source: https://www.economist.com/whichmba/west ... 2018?tab=6

Found a more recent source from 2018

830 applicants in 2018- Assuming a 10% growth rate as we have with Rotman you get to ~1000 applicants for Ivey for the class of 2020
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