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Well, I don't have an undergraduate degree, but I have bachelor degree. Can I apply for US B-schools?

I know it's very hard, are there any chances that I can apply for schools like top100 or not quite famous schools in US?
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Schools require an undergrad degree to apply. That being said, it can be waiverable given extremely compelling circumstances (ie you know an ultra-powerful alum of said school, or have an incredible reason for why you didn't get a bachelor's). One example is the former personal assistant to President Bush. That dude had no undergrad degree, but was accepted to HBS. His duty position combined with the fact that his boss was both an HBS alum and the sitting President of the United States pretty much punched his ticket.

Unless you're in a similar boat, you need a Bachelor's degree.

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How do you not have an undergraduate degree but have a bachelor's. A bachelor's degree is the undergrad degree. You must be confusing degrees.
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Schools require an undergrad degree to apply. That being said, it can be waiverable given extremely compelling circumstances (ie you know an ultra-powerful alum of said school, or have an incredible reason for why you didn't get a bachelor's). One example is the former personal assistant to President Bush. That dude had no undergrad degree, but was accepted to HBS. His duty position combined with the fact that his boss was both an HBS alum and the sitting President of the United States pretty much punched his ticket.

Unless you're in a similar boat, you need a Bachelor's degree.

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I don't about schools in US so that I need someone knows about B-schools in US.

I don't have undergraduate degree but I have a paper which shows that I have graduated from college for bachelor. The reason I didn't get undergraduate degree is that I had low scores in my GPA.

Can I apply for least famous schools like top 50 or top100 if I get good gmat scores?
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After reading this question, I wondered who a business school might accept without a bachelor's degree. School's generally state they require a bachelor's, but they are also free to make any exceptions they wish.

For example, would Mark Zuckerberg get into HBS today? Founding/running Facebook is the type of thing I would expect would overcome many other negatives on one's application. On the other hand, he already dropped out of Harvard once. Maybe he could try Stanford.
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I am not that famous ok?

I am just sales rep in a private company in China. Normal people ok?

The story you told is legendary.


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After reading this question, I wondered who a business school might accept without a bachelor's degree. School's generally state they require a bachelor's, but they are also free to make any exceptions they wish.

For example, would Mark Zuckerberg get into HBS today? Founding/running Facebook is the type of thing I would expect would overcome many other negatives on one's application. On the other hand, he already dropped out of Harvard once. Maybe he could try Stanford.
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I don't about schools in US so that I need someone knows about B-schools in US.

I don't have undergraduate degree but I have a paper which shows that I have graduated from college for bachelor. The reason I didn't get undergraduate degree is that I had low scores in my GPA.

Can I apply for least famous schools like top 50 or top100 if I get good gmat scores?
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So, if I'm understanding this correctly, you completed all your college courses, but your GPA was too low for the school to grant you a degree? But they gave you a certificate that says you graduated? That doesn't make sense to me, but I'm not sure how things work in China.

Looking at Chapman University's MBA program (which is basically right at #100 in the US News ranking), it sounds like they will accept anyone meeting these requirements

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1.Submit the application for admission.
2.Hold a baccalaureate degree from a regionally accredited institution.
3.Achieve an undergraduate grade point average of 2.500 or higher, calculated over the most recent 60 semester (or 90 quarter) credits completed; these 60 semester (or 90 quarter) credits may include an average of up to 15 graded semester (22½ quarter) credits of graduate-level course work that are applicable to a graduate degree program at an accredited institution other than Chapman. The graduate-level course work must have been completed prior to consideration for admission to Chapman.
4.Achieve an acceptable score on the Graduate Management Admission Test (GMAT).
5.Submit two letters of recommendation from individuals familiar with the applicant’s academic or professional abilities.
6.Foreign applicants who have completed their undergraduate degree outside of the United States may be required to achieve an acceptable score on the Test of English as a Foreign Language (TOEFL).
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https://www.chapman.edu/catalog/oc/curre ... t/4892.htm

If I were you, I would spend a couple of years moving up in my job and working on extracurriculars, take a couple of quantitative classes and earn a good grade in them (and I guess get the undergrad degree if possible?), and really focus on improving my English, which will pay massive dividends in terms of GMAT score and essay quality.
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I apologize if I seemed glib in my first reply.

I have read about the admissions requirements for various schools, and I have only seen published statements include the completion of an undergraduate degree as a requirement. However, I have also read interviews and other comments by admissions committe members of various schools in which they state they are willing to look past a deficiency on a given applicant's profile, if other areas make up for it.

You would likely be best served by identifying the schools to which you might wish to apply and then reaching out to their addmissions represenatives. You may find different levels of willingness to consider your application. They may also suggest the sorts of things they may look for to help you overcome your undergraduate situation.
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is google blocked in China? jfgi
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Yeah, I graduated from college but I didn't get a degree ,can I apply for 100top school? I will get done on my gnat and toefl?



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I don't about schools in US so that I need someone knows about B-schools in US.

I don't have undergraduate degree but I have a paper which shows that I have graduated from college for bachelor. The reason I didn't get undergraduate degree is that I had low scores in my GPA.

Can I apply for least famous schools like top 50 or top100 if I get good gmat scores?

So, if I'm understanding this correctly, you completed all your college courses, but your GPA was too low for the school to grant you a degree? But they gave you a certificate that says you graduated? That doesn't make sense to me, but I'm not sure how things work in China.

Looking at Chapman University's MBA program (which is basically right at #100 in the US News ranking), it sounds like they will accept anyone meeting these requirements

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1.Submit the application for admission.
2.Hold a baccalaureate degree from a regionally accredited institution.
3.Achieve an undergraduate grade point average of 2.500 or higher, calculated over the most recent 60 semester (or 90 quarter) credits completed; these 60 semester (or 90 quarter) credits may include an average of up to 15 graded semester (22½ quarter) credits of graduate-level course work that are applicable to a graduate degree program at an accredited institution other than Chapman. The graduate-level course work must have been completed prior to consideration for admission to Chapman.
4.Achieve an acceptable score on the Graduate Management Admission Test (GMAT).
5.Submit two letters of recommendation from individuals familiar with the applicant’s academic or professional abilities.
6.Foreign applicants who have completed their undergraduate degree outside of the United States may be required to achieve an acceptable score on the Test of English as a Foreign Language (TOEFL).

https://www.chapman.edu/catalog/oc/curre ... t/4892.htm

If I were you, I would spend a couple of years moving up in my job and working on extracurriculars, take a couple of quantitative classes and earn a good grade in them (and I guess get the undergrad degree if possible?), and really focus on improving my English, which will pay massive dividends in terms of GMAT score and essay quality.
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I am not studying any more , I have a low GPA


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I don't about schools in US so that I need someone knows about B-schools in US.

I don't have undergraduate degree but I have a paper which shows that I have graduated from college for bachelor. The reason I didn't get undergraduate degree is that I had low scores in my GPA.

Can I apply for least famous schools like top 50 or top100 if I get good gmat scores?

So, if I'm understanding this correctly, you completed all your college courses, but your GPA was too low for the school to grant you a degree? But they gave you a certificate that says you graduated? That doesn't make sense to me, but I'm not sure how things work in China.

Looking at Chapman University's MBA program (which is basically right at #100 in the US News ranking), it sounds like they will accept anyone meeting these requirements

Quote:

1.Submit the application for admission.
2.Hold a baccalaureate degree from a regionally accredited institution.
3.Achieve an undergraduate grade point average of 2.500 or higher, calculated over the most recent 60 semester (or 90 quarter) credits completed; these 60 semester (or 90 quarter) credits may include an average of up to 15 graded semester (22½ quarter) credits of graduate-level course work that are applicable to a graduate degree program at an accredited institution other than Chapman. The graduate-level course work must have been completed prior to consideration for admission to Chapman.
4.Achieve an acceptable score on the Graduate Management Admission Test (GMAT).
5.Submit two letters of recommendation from individuals familiar with the applicant’s academic or professional abilities.
6.Foreign applicants who have completed their undergraduate degree outside of the United States may be required to achieve an acceptable score on the Test of English as a Foreign Language (TOEFL).

https://www.chapman.edu/catalog/oc/curre ... t/4892.htm

If I were you, I would spend a couple of years moving up in my job and working on extracurriculars, take a couple of quantitative classes and earn a good grade in them (and I guess get the undergrad degree if possible?), and really focus on improving my English, which will pay massive dividends in terms of GMAT score and essay quality.
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Google is blocked by mainland in China, but not blocked by Hongkong. We can still use www.google.com.hk.

But HK is part of China right now.

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Thank you so much.

But the problem is most of top30-50 schools need bachelor degree as implusive requirement. So how can I find schools will consider my application without a bachelor degree? Should I talk to them before my application or after I submit my application fee and forms? Or I can know answers only during the application interview? Would that cost me lots of money on application fee just trying to know the answers? Can I get answer beforehand? What I worried is that most top 30-50 schools they must need you to complete everything in their admiision requirement?

If it's not, I really want to try some schools like Ivy(Canada), SMU(Singapore) or some top30-50 schools in US. is it possible?

Finally, I don't have a degree but I have a graduation certification which shows me that I have completed all the courses in college for bachelor degree. The reason I didn't degree but I failed lots of final exams during the study. My gpa is very low. mostly just passed exams - 60.

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I apologize if I seemed glib in my first reply.

I have read about the admissions requirements for various schools, and I have only seen published statements include the completion of an undergraduate degree as a requirement. However, I have also read interviews and other comments by admissions committe members of various schools in which they state they are willing to look past a deficiency on a given applicant's profile, if other areas make up for it.

You would likely be best served by identifying the schools to which you might wish to apply and then reaching out to their addmissions represenatives. You may find different levels of willingness to consider your application. They may also suggest the sorts of things they may look for to help you overcome your undergraduate situation.
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dywane, before applying, I would recommend contacting each school directly (whether by phone or by email) to find out what their policies are on admitting students without an undergraduate degree. However, to be painfully honest, if your grades were poor during undergrad, most (if not all) top 50 B-schools in the US will not accept you because they will have strong concerns about your ability to handle B-school coursework (the idea is that B-School is harder than undergrad, so if you did not do well during undergrad, it is more likely that you will not do well in B-school). The real obstacle is your low GPA, not your lack of a Bachelor's degree.

Though an obstacle, a low undergrad GPA is not a killer as there are ways to work around it. One way is to get a very strong GMAT score (probably 97% or above). This will show that you do have the aptitude to excel in a intellectually rigorous program. The second is to have very strong work experiences. If you succeed at a real job, you can use that to show that your work experience is more indicative of your ability than your undergrad GPA. The final way is to take additional post-undergrad classes. Taking a series of accounting, finance and math courses at college (and doing very well in them, i.e. a 3.5+ average) is a way to build an "alternate" transcript. At that point you can explain that your undergrad experience does not reflect your true ability (because of this personal problem or that life situation you had at the time, etc.), and your "alternate" transcript shows you can handle the rigorous quantitative nature of a B-school program.

Hope this helps and good luck with your journey!
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HEHE, I don't think I will get accepted in any school of top50 as you described, but thank you for detailed info and it help a lot.

The truth is that even if I work harder on work and gmat, it doesn't change anything, because it's too damn hard for me. I don't even have a job right now. And my gmat sucks, I don't think I will get 700+, may be 650 around perhaps if I can't promise. Besides I had the work expereince for around 2 years doing sales rep in some private companies in China. I didn't reach up to management level position.

At first I wanted to try Keller school of management, they don't ask for lots of requirement. I guess some schools don't ask for high gpa I guess. They would probably ask you to fill out application, and hand out some materials like essay or resume, they will accept you right? I guess going to US isn't that hard. What worse part for me is that I don't have money for MBA study. I guess I will wait several years before I really settle down and think of my future.

I'm pulzzed that if I don't go abroad study MBA, should I continue study gmat? It's all English, I get rare attention during the job interview as HR asking for GMAT scores. It seems like they don't care about GMAT. Maybe they don't even know. So if I don't go aboard should I take gmat test?

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dywane, before applying, I would recommend contacting each school directly (whether by phone or by email) to find out what their policies are on admitting students without an undergraduate degree. However, to be painfully honest, if your grades were poor during undergrad, most (if not all) top 50 B-schools in the US will not accept you because they will have strong concerns about your ability to handle B-school coursework (the idea is that B-School is harder than undergrad, so if you did not do well during undergrad, it is more likely that you will not do well in B-school). The real obstacle is your low GPA, not your lack of a Bachelor's degree.

Though an obstacle, a low undergrad GPA is not a killer as there are ways to work around it. One way is to get a very strong GMAT score (probably 97% or above). This will show that you do have the aptitude to excel in a intellectually rigorous program. The second is to have very strong work experiences. If you succeed at a real job, you can use that to show that your work experience is more indicative of your ability than your undergrad GPA. The final way is to take additional post-undergrad classes. Taking a series of accounting, finance and math courses at college (and doing very well in them, i.e. a 3.5+ average) is a way to build an "alternate" transcript. At that point you can explain that your undergrad experience does not reflect your true ability (because of this personal problem or that life situation you had at the time, etc.), and your "alternate" transcript shows you can handle the rigorous quantitative nature of a B-school program.

Hope this helps and good luck with your journey!
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HEHE, I don't think I will get accepted in any school of top50 as you described, but thank you for detailed info and it help a lot.

The truth is that even if I work harder on work and gmat, it doesn't change anything, because it's too damn hard for me. I don't even have a job right now. And my gmat sucks, I don't think I will get 700+, may be 650 around perhaps if I can't promise. Besides I had the work expereince for around 2 years doing sales rep in some private companies in China. I didn't reach up to management level position.

At first I wanted to try Keller school of management, they don't ask for lots of requirement. I guess some schools don't ask for high gpa I guess. They would probably ask you to fill out application, and hand out some materials like essay or resume, they will accept you right? I guess going to US isn't that hard. What worse part for me is that I don't have money for MBA study. I guess I will wait several years before I really settle down and think of my future.

I'm pulzzed that if I don't go abroad study MBA, should I continue study gmat? It's all English, I get rare attention during the job interview as HR asking for GMAT scores. It seems like they don't care about GMAT. Maybe they don't even know. So if I don't go aboard should I take gmat test?

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So you want a top MBA and you have: a "terrible" gpa, low gmat, near trivial work experience, and no money to pay for it.....

Maybe an mba isn't right for you?
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HEHE, I don't think I will get accepted in any school of top50 as you described, but thank you for detailed info and it help a lot.

The truth is that even if I work harder on work and gmat, it doesn't change anything, because it's too damn hard for me. I don't even have a job right now. And my gmat sucks, I don't think I will get 700+, may be 650 around perhaps if I can't promise. Besides I had the work expereince for around 2 years doing sales rep in some private companies in China. I didn't reach up to management level position.

At first I wanted to try Keller school of management, they don't ask for lots of requirement. I guess some schools don't ask for high gpa I guess. They would probably ask you to fill out application, and hand out some materials like essay or resume, they will accept you right? I guess going to US isn't that hard. What worse part for me is that I don't have money for MBA study. I guess I will wait several years before I really settle down and think of my future.

I'm pulzzed that if I don't go abroad study MBA, should I continue study gmat? It's all English, I get rare attention during the job interview as HR asking for GMAT scores. It seems like they don't care about GMAT. Maybe they don't even know. So if I don't go aboard should I take gmat test?



So you want a top MBA and you have: a "terrible" gpa, low gmat, near trivial work experience, and no money to pay for it.....

Maybe an mba isn't right for you?
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You forgot to add "currently unemployed" to that list. I would tend to agree with the gentleman above me!
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I want MBA so much. It's like girl that I love so much I am chasing. Believe me I won't give up even if the chances are against me. I want to get a degree in us meanwhile having a American girl to date with like cassie in the secret circle



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HEHE, I don't think I will get accepted in any school of top50 as you described, but thank you for detailed info and it help a lot.

The truth is that even if I work harder on work and gmat, it doesn't change anything, because it's too damn hard for me. I don't even have a job right now. And my gmat sucks, I don't think I will get 700+, may be 650 around perhaps if I can't promise. Besides I had the work expereince for around 2 years doing sales rep in some private companies in China. I didn't reach up to management level position.

At first I wanted to try Keller school of management, they don't ask for lots of requirement. I guess some schools don't ask for high gpa I guess. They would probably ask you to fill out application, and hand out some materials like essay or resume, they will accept you right? I guess going to US isn't that hard. What worse part for me is that I don't have money for MBA study. I guess I will wait several years before I really settle down and think of my future.

I'm pulzzed that if I don't go abroad study MBA, should I continue study gmat? It's all English, I get rare attention during the job interview as HR asking for GMAT scores. It seems like they don't care about GMAT. Maybe they don't even know. So if I don't go aboard should I take gmat test?



So you want a top MBA and you have: a "terrible" gpa, low gmat, near trivial work experience, and no money to pay for it.....

Maybe an mba isn't right for you?
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I have a dream that someday I can be in bschool.I want American girl


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HEHE, I don't think I will get accepted in any school of top50 as you described, but thank you for detailed info and it help a lot.

The truth is that even if I work harder on work and gmat, it doesn't change anything, because it's too damn hard for me. I don't even have a job right now. And my gmat sucks, I don't think I will get 700+, may be 650 around perhaps if I can't promise. Besides I had the work expereince for around 2 years doing sales rep in some private companies in China. I didn't reach up to management level position.

At first I wanted to try Keller school of management, they don't ask for lots of requirement. I guess some schools don't ask for high gpa I guess. They would probably ask you to fill out application, and hand out some materials like essay or resume, they will accept you right? I guess going to US isn't that hard. What worse part for me is that I don't have money for MBA study. I guess I will wait several years before I really settle down and think of my future.

I'm pulzzed that if I don't go abroad study MBA, should I continue study gmat? It's all English, I get rare attention during the job interview as HR asking for GMAT scores. It seems like they don't care about GMAT. Maybe they don't even know. So if I don't go aboard should I take gmat test?



So you want a top MBA and you have: a "terrible" gpa, low gmat, near trivial work experience, and no money to pay for it.....

Maybe an mba isn't right for you?

You forgot to add "currently unemployed" to that list. I would tend to agree with the gentleman above me!
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