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HI!

I applied to 9 schools all in the 13-25th ranking. I submitted all my applications in R1 already except for UNC. These schools include: kelley, olin, emory, ross, mccombs, cornell, tepper, and darden.

I have only gotten two interview invites-Kelley and Olin.

Should I be worried about my chances at other schools?

I've looked at real time stats and some schools have already begun sending out some interview invites.

::nervous wreck::

any information would help!

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Wow! that is epic, 9 schools in 1 round? I gotta give you props for that, you really are playing the percentages there. How long did it take you to write all 9 sets of essays and stuff? Please tell me you went through consortium. I got quicker as I went, but the last school I applied to (MIT) took me a full 3 weeks for the app and essays.

Do you feel your quality has been hurt by doing so many? Were you able to get very school specific in each essay?

To answer your own question, NO, you shouldnt be worried. Everyone says the interview order is random (I'll take that at face value although find it hard to believe) and its still very early.. Very few invites have gone out for most schools.
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Wow! that is epic, 9 schools in 1 round? I gotta give you props for that, you really are playing the percentages there. How long did it take you to write all 9 sets of essays and stuff? Please tell me you went through consortium. I got quicker as I went, but the last school I applied to (MIT) took me a full 3 weeks for the app and essays.

Do you feel your quality has been hurt by doing so many? Were you able to get very school specific in each essay?

To answer your own question, NO, you shouldnt be worried. Everyone says the interview order is random (I'll take that at face value although find it hard to believe) and its still very early.. Very few invites have gone out for most schools.
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hey,

I started writing essays since July/aug. I don't feel that the quality has been compromised, though the more i do, the better i got on them. So the latter ones are "better" than the others. However, I feel that the earlier ones (emory/olin/kelley)'s essay topics were different from the latter ones that it didn't matter that much. I spent alot of time on each and only sent out when I felt that they were at their best. I treated every school as if they were my ONLY chance.

I did NOT go through consortium.

As for the filling out apps, they got easier and easier as I filled them out. The last application only took me like 15 min to fill out.

I targeted each school as it's own. Meaning I did alot of research for writing the "main" essays so that I make sure to incorporate school specific programs that i thought would be helpful to me.

Hope this answers your question.

yea it's still pretty early in the process. i'm not worried, but each day that goes by w/o interview invites means diminishing chances....lol
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Congratulations for completing and submitting so many applications! That is quite an achievement.


I do not think you should be worried. You already got some interviews (congratulations on those as well), which means there are no fundamental errors in your application template. Besides, days passing by does not, on its own, decrease your chances.
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Nah, no worries.. At least you have 2 interview invites to top 20 programs.. I have 0.

BTW, I am sorry I'm judging you a bit, but another question. You seem to have really honed in on the rankings and going at schools between 11-20 on the rankings list. I am fairly certain you will get into more than 1. But why didnt you just take at least one chance at your dream school? You really self selected yourself out of the top 10 programs, which you really might have a chance at. Any ideas on if you are going to throw up some Hail Mary's for round 2?

And again, I apologize if Im wrong and your dream school is on that list, but it really seems like you are going purely on rankings. If accepted into all 9, how will you honestly decide?
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Nah, no worries.. At least you have 2 interview invites to top 20 programs.. I have 0.

BTW, I am sorry I'm judging you a bit, but another question. You seem to have really honed in on the rankings and going at schools between 11-20 on the rankings list. I am fairly certain you will get into more than 1. But why didnt you just take at least one chance at your dream school? You really self selected yourself out of the top 10 programs, which you really might have a chance at. Any ideas on if you are going to throw up some Hail Mary's for round 2?

And again, I apologize if Im wrong and your dream school is on that list, but it really seems like you are going purely on rankings. If accepted into all 9, how will you honestly decide?
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Hey,

thanks for your honest critique. I actually do really want to go to Ross/Mccombs (which i did submit already). I chose schools out of the 1-10 range due to my statistics. Though I am fully aware that "stats" do not "make or break you", I feel that it's also very very optimistic if you think you can get into harvard/stanford if you have my stats. I think the right attitude in attacking the process is a balance between realism and optimism

I am doing a hail mary with Kellogg right now.
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Congratulations for completing and submitting so many applications! That is quite an achievement.


I do not think you should be worried. You already got some interviews (congratulations on those as well), which means there are no fundamental errors in your application template. Besides, days passing by does not, on its own, decrease your chances.
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Thanks for the encouragement/support!
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That is fair then. Just want to make sure you arent selling yourself short. I do agree with you on a stats basis that it would be difficult to get into Harvard/Stanford, but you only get one shot at business school, so might as well throw your hat in the ring. Just purely on stats, only Darden/Johnson may be a little stretch for you, but there are no super stretches on your list..

And especially since you have all this experience writing apps, you are going to be better than the average Kellogg candidate in that respect. So best of luck with that one. I hear Booths marketing program is excellent as well, but it gets undermined by its finance rep.

I got lucky one day on the GMAT, but I really wouldnt believe I am any more qualified of a candidate than you. Never sell yourself short.
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That is fair then. Just want to make sure you arent selling yourself short. I do agree with you on a stats basis that it would be difficult to get into Harvard/Stanford, but you only get one shot at business school, so might as well throw your hat in the ring. Just purely on stats, only Darden/Johnson may be a little stretch for you, but there are no super stretches on your list..

And especially since you have all this experience writing apps, you are going to be better than the average Kellogg candidate in that respect. So best of luck with that one. I hear Booths marketing program is excellent as well, but it gets undermined by its finance rep.

I got lucky one day on the GMAT, but I really wouldnt believe I am any more qualified of a candidate than you. Never sell yourself short.
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Hey, thanks very very much. That was exactly my thought. actually i didn't plan to apply to top 10, but my friend inspired me with his spiel of "only one shot at bschool" "only try once in your life" there's really nothing to lose on my part provided that i do have time.

I feel that darden, cornell, and ross may be stretches. But i feel that even tough my "stats" arnt as good as others, i have really unique experiences and good essays to help me. Also I graduated from UCLA.

So hopefully i at least get a chance to interview at those schools. :0)

Thanks for the support/encouragement!!
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That is fair then. Just want to make sure you arent selling yourself short. I do agree with you on a stats basis that it would be difficult to get into Harvard/Stanford, but you only get one shot at business school, so might as well throw your hat in the ring. Just purely on stats, only Darden/Johnson may be a little stretch for you, but there are no super stretches on your list..

And especially since you have all this experience writing apps, you are going to be better than the average Kellogg candidate in that respect. So best of luck with that one. I hear Booths marketing program is excellent as well, but it gets undermined by its finance rep.

I got lucky one day on the GMAT, but I really wouldnt believe I am any more qualified of a candidate than you. Never sell yourself short.
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I was thinking of booth too, but i didn't want a heavy quant school like booth/mit/columbia/harvard (which i hear are heavy finance/consulting, which means it's heavy in quant) bc i know for sure i don't want to go into those fields. Kellogg i hear has a very collaborative/teamwork environment which i like so I chose to apply there instead of the other ones.
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Good deal, be sure to come back and let us know your results. There are a ton of students who have your stats and dont even try, so I think you can inspire some people in the fututre when you do get in to a great program.
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Good deal, be sure to come back and let us know your results. There are a ton of students who have your stats and dont even try, so I think you can inspire some people in the fututre when you do get in to a great program.
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yea for sure i will update my stats.

I tend to shoot higher so i can at least land high. that's my philosophy in life

thanks!
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A very solid philosophy, if I may say so. Mine is "if you fail, at least fail at achieving something great" :wink:

Actually, with your experience in writing applications, I would definitely recommend a R2 Harvard application (if you can afford the fee). Their essays are by far the shortest, and since you say you have great experiences to write about - why not give it a try? They have admitted people with a lower GMAT than yours, and ding'd people with a higher.

If you would want to go to HBS, of course. I know there are legitimate reasons against it (not for me, but still).
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I tend to shoot higher so i can at least land high. that's my philosophy in life

A very solid philosophy, if I may say so. Mine is "if you fail, at least fail at achieving something great" :wink:

Actually, with your experience in writing applications, I would definitely recommend a R2 Harvard application (if you can afford the fee). Their essays are by far the shortest, and since you say you have great experiences to write about - why not give it a try? They have admitted people with a lower GMAT than yours, and ding'd people with a higher.

If you would want to go to HBS, of course. I know there are legitimate reasons against it (not for me, but still).
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Hey, I actually DONT want to go to HBS. I hear that its environment is not very "team friendly" and not cooperative. I also hear that one of the things they say to newly admitted students at orientation is: "look to the person to your right, look to the person to your left, one of them are going to be cut from the program by the end of two years" or something like that. don't quote me on this. Such a cut throat attitude, though more aligned with my nature, is not good for grooming our future leaders imo.

I really want to go to Stanford. but it's acceptance rate is 7 percent. i feel that my stats severely hamper my chances.
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Hey, I actually DONT want to go to HBS. I hear that its environment is not very "team friendly" and not cooperative. I also hear that one of the things they say to newly admitted students at orientation is: "look to the person to your right, look to the person to your left, one of them are going to be cut from the program by the end of two years" or something like that. don't quote me on this. Such a cut throat attitude, though more aligned with my nature, is not good for grooming our future leaders imo.
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Fair enough. I see your point.

Stanford's essay one takes a lot of deliberation and pondering to answer properly. So overall, the application might take more time. Conversely, essay three is a great opportunity to tell about unique experiences.

Of course, any "just try it!" coming from me will ring hollow, because I only managed three applications. So take it with a grain of salt. :wink:
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Hey, I actually DONT want to go to HBS. I hear that its environment is not very "team friendly" and not cooperative. I also hear that one of the things they say to newly admitted students at orientation is: "look to the person to your right, look to the person to your left, one of them are going to be cut from the program by the end of two years" or something like that. don't quote me on this. Such a cut throat attitude, though more aligned with my nature, is not good for grooming our future leaders imo.

Fair enough. I see your point.

Stanford's essay one takes a lot of deliberation and pondering to answer properly. So overall, the application might take more time. Conversely, essay three is a great opportunity to tell about unique experiences.

Of course, any "just try it!" coming from me will ring hollow, because I only managed three applications. So take it with a grain of salt. :wink:
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HA! Thanks, I will. Yea i also hear that Stanford's app will take time. I prob am just going to apply to Kellogg as my Hail Mary. Thanks for the vote of confidence. which three did you apply, any news from them?
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haha to the person to your left and person to your right comment.. I can not believe anyone is getting cut out of any top MBA program. From what I hear, its pretty hard to fail out of any program Ive visited. They have told me you pretty much have to actively try not to score well. I cant imagine harvard is much different.

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haha to the person to your left and person to your right comment.. I can not believe anyone is getting cut out of any top MBA program. From what I hear, its pretty hard to fail out of any program Ive visited. They have told me you pretty much have to actively try not to score well. I cant imagine harvard is much different.

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well, mayb not "cut off" but prob meaning like not do well. Harvard only wants the best of the best, and competition weeds out the weak.
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I tend to shoot higher so i can at least land high. that's my philosophy in life

A very solid philosophy, if I may say so. Mine is "if you fail, at least fail at achieving something great" :wink:

Actually, with your experience in writing applications, I would definitely recommend a R2 Harvard application (if you can afford the fee). Their essays are by far the shortest, and since you say you have great experiences to write about - why not give it a try? They have admitted people with a lower GMAT than yours, and ding'd people with a higher.

If you would want to go to HBS, of course. I know there are legitimate reasons against it (not for me, but still).

Hey, I actually DONT want to go to HBS. I hear that its environment is not very "team friendly" and not cooperative. I also hear that one of the things they say to newly admitted students at orientation is: "look to the person to your right, look to the person to your left, one of them are going to be cut from the program by the end of two years" or something like that. don't quote me on this. Such a cut throat attitude, though more aligned with my nature, is not good for grooming our future leaders imo.

I really want to go to Stanford. but it's acceptance rate is 7 percent. i feel that my stats severely hamper my chances.
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I think this is a quote from a famous movie... and I think the institution in question is a law school... Anybody know for sure?
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That is fair then. Just want to make sure you arent selling yourself short. I do agree with you on a stats basis that it would be difficult to get into Harvard/Stanford, but you only get one shot at business school, so might as well throw your hat in the ring. Just purely on stats, only Darden/Johnson may be a little stretch for you, but there are no super stretches on your list..

And especially since you have all this experience writing apps, you are going to be better than the average Kellogg candidate in that respect. So best of luck with that one. I hear Booths marketing program is excellent as well, but it gets undermined by its finance rep.

I got lucky one day on the GMAT, but I really wouldnt believe I am any more qualified of a candidate than you. Never sell yourself short.

I was thinking of booth too, but i didn't want a heavy quant school like booth/mit/columbia/harvard (which i hear are heavy finance/consulting, which means it's heavy in quant) bc i know for sure i don't want to go into those fields. Kellogg i hear has a very collaborative/teamwork environment which i like so I chose to apply there instead of the other ones.
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Hey there. As a current Boothie I just wanted to poke my head into this convo for a second and comment on the whole quant thing. I feel as though quantitative rigor/focus gets misunderstood a lot. Schools that have a large pipeline to consulting and finance do not necessarily have quant heavy curricula. HBS comes to mind as a school that accepts and spits out a ton of consultants but isn't exactly "quanty." The teaching method is case based so your nights really aren't spent building NPV models. So I would look closely at a school's curriculum and teaching methods to determine if there is heavy quant.

If you were giving some thought to Booth then I would encourage you not to let the "quanty" reputation deter you from looking into the program more. I-banking and consulting are popular career fields but they are hardly the only game in town. In fact, entrepreneurship is the 2nd largest concentration and the Kilts Center for Marketing has spawned some pretty impressive alums (and they give fellowships!). The leadership education is also very robust with LEAD and a ton of opportunities through student groups. I will admit that Booth has quant heavy classes. However, many of these are in upper level finance, stats, and economics electives. There are many classes that have nearly no quantitative aspects at all (Negotiation, Managing Orgs, etc.). Even in classes like micro and stats the quant isn't very high level. You might see some basic calculus. I never took calc and didn't do any math review before school and I'm not having any issues in my classes. I think that people interpret quant to mean number crunching. I would argue that it's less number crunching and more number understanding and acting. Booth isn't about quant for the sake of getting off on equations. It's more about the application. How do you, as a manager, use statistical data to determine pricing of a new product? Is buying this startup worth the investment cost? Numbers are a fact of business and being comfortable with them and knowing how to not only interpret them, but also communicate a story and action plan based on them. I know I'm talking a lot but I just wanted to clear up any potential misconceptions about what "quant heavy" means and also give a positive spin on it.
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