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VeritasKarishma Could you please shed light on why E is wrong here?
Negation of E will mean 'There are no moons that orbit Alpha', which breaks the conclusion, right?
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VeritasKarishma Could you please shed light on why E is wrong here?
Negation of E will mean 'There are no moons that orbit Alpha', which breaks the conclusion, right?
E can go either way.
1. If there is only one moon, then its true that all moon/s orbit planet Alpha. - Keeps the conclusion.
2. If there is more than one moon, one moon can orbit Alpha and others can orbit other planet/s. - Breaks the conclusion.

Let me know your thoughts if I'm missing something.
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VeritasKarishma Could you please shed light on why E is wrong here?
Negation of E will mean 'There are no moons that orbit Alpha', which breaks the conclusion, right?
E can go either way.
1. If there is only one moon, then its true that all moon/s orbit planet Alpha. - Keeps the conclusion.
2. If there is more than one moon, one moon can orbit Alpha and others can orbit other planet/s. - Breaks the conclusion.

Let me know your thoughts if I'm missing something.

Thank you for your reply, unraveled. I am still a bit confused - the argument doesn't mention that a moon orbits only one planet. If that's the case, then C is absolutely right. But does the statement that a moon orbits some planet, the same as a moon orbits only one planet?

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This question is from an LSAT Logical Reasoning section (#22) and is not asking for the necessary assumption, but the sufficient assumption. And these don’t show up on GMAT CR.

As you indicate, negating (E) (there are no moons that orbit Alpha) would indeed kill the argument. In fact, it would make the entire argument moot.

But a Sufficient Assumption asks for an answer that guarantees/proves the conclusion to be true. (E) clearly does not prove the conclusion to be true. In fact, E barely even strengthens the argument if at all.

I just wrote about this earlier in reference to another question. Please note that I’ve been teaching both GMAT and LSAT since the 20th century. Here’s what I wrote:


Students need to be very careful about doing questions phrased like this, especially because it’s from an LSAT Logical Reasoning section. Specifically, LSAT preptest 62, section 4, number 18.

This question type doesn’t really exist in GMAT CR. “Really” is a weird term, I realize. But check it out...

For LSAT Logical Reasoning, this question type is known as a Sufficient Assumption, where the correct answer, when combined with the argument in the stimulus, creates a valid argument.

To paraphrase: The correct answer will guarantee/prove that the conclusion is true based on the evidence/premises. This different from a Necessary Assumption question.

Sufficient Assumption questions (unlike 95% of Necessary Assumption questions) will NOT contain a synonym for necessary (depends, relies, required). They will most often employ the phrase “if assumed”, along with “conclusion follows logically” or “enables the conclusion to be properly inferred”.

PLEASE fact check me (only OG material): for GMAT CR (unlike LSAT LR), any Sufficient Assumption question will be also be asking for a Necessary Assumption.

CR questions phrased as a Sufficient Assumption are extremely rare. If anyone ever sees such a question where the correct answer does not appear to be necessary, I would appreciate a notification. You’ll probably be wrong (heh), but perhaps I’m wrong (I’m not, though).

In other words, it’s entirely possible that a sufficient assumption will also be necessary. But this absolutely does not have to be the case.

For the GMAT, the correct answer to any assumption question will be a necessary assumption as shown by the negation test (beyond the scope of this reply).

But for the LSAT, the correct answer to many Sufficient Assumption questions will NOT be necessary (the negation test will be of no help).
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This is why students need to be careful about doing an LSAT Logical Reasoning. Several question types that look familiar actually do not show up on GMAT critical reasoning.

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This question is from an LSAT Logical Reasoning section (#22) and is not asking for the necessary assumption, but the sufficient assumption. And these don’t show up on GMAT CR.

As you indicate, negating (E) (there are no moons that orbit Alpha) would indeed kill the argument. In fact, it would make the entire argument moot.

But a Sufficient Assumption asks for an answer that guarantees/proves the conclusion to be true. (E) clearly does not prove the conclusion to be true. In fact, E barely even strengthens the argument if at all.

I just wrote about this earlier in reference to another question. Please note that I’ve been teaching both GMAT and LSAT since the 20th century. Here’s what I wrote:


Students need to be very careful about doing questions phrased like this, especially because it’s from an LSAT Logical Reasoning section. Specifically, LSAT preptest 62, section 4, number 18.

This question type doesn’t really exist in GMAT CR. “Really” is a weird term, I realize. But check it out...

For LSAT Logical Reasoning, this question type is known as a Sufficient Assumption, where the correct answer, when combined with the argument in the stimulus, creates a valid argument.

To paraphrase: The correct answer will guarantee/prove that the conclusion is true based on the evidence/premises. This different from a Necessary Assumption question.

Sufficient Assumption questions (unlike 95% of Necessary Assumption questions) will NOT contain a synonym for necessary (depends, relies, required). They will most often employ the phrase “if assumed”, along with “conclusion follows logically” or “enables the conclusion to be properly inferred”.

PLEASE fact check me (only OG material): for GMAT CR (unlike LSAT LR), any Sufficient Assumption question will be also be asking for a Necessary Assumption.

CR questions phrased as a Sufficient Assumption are extremely rare. If anyone ever sees such a question where the correct answer does not appear to be necessary, I would appreciate a notification. You’ll probably be wrong (heh), but perhaps I’m wrong (I’m not, though).

In other words, it’s entirely possible that a sufficient assumption will also be necessary. But this absolutely does not have to be the case.

For the GMAT, the correct answer to any assumption question will be a necessary assumption as shown by the negation test (beyond the scope of this reply).

But for the LSAT, the correct answer to many Sufficient Assumption questions will NOT be necessary (the negation test will be of no help).
....................

This is why students need to be careful about doing an LSAT Logical Reasoning. Several question types that look familiar actually do not show up on GMAT critical reasoning.

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Thank you, Alex. To be honest, this question had me worried, as to whether my basics needs rework. You've saved me.
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VeritasKarishma Could you please shed light on why E is wrong here?
Negation of E will mean 'There are no moons that orbit Alpha', which breaks the conclusion, right?
E can go either way.
1. If there is only one moon, then its true that all moon/s orbit planet Alpha. - Keeps the conclusion.
2. If there is more than one moon, one moon can orbit Alpha and others can orbit other planet/s. - Breaks the conclusion.

Let me know your thoughts if I'm missing something.

Thank you for your reply, unraveled. I am still a bit confused - the argument doesn't mention that a moon orbits only one planet. If that's the case, then C is absolutely right. But does the statement that a moon orbits some planet, the same as a moon orbits only one planet?

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I was confused too while solving but take my words i made a mistake evaluating the argument for one reason being how it was constructed and second being it is LSAT question.

Thanks Alex for saving me.

I would definitely not have been able to answer your question with this clarity. Also, if you are studying LSAT CR to improve your overall CR skills, you may refer to Powerscore LSAT CR guide. However, before you do so give a hard look at Powerscore GMAT CR guide first.
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I doubt the answer given!
Want a detailed explanation.

Why can't option c be the answer.
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