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Verbal basics " Will have had { future perfect }"

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New post Updated on: 19 Apr 2018, 04:41
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"joe will have had three children after this baby is born "

Why can't we write the above sentence like this :

" joe will have three children after this baby is born "

Even " will have " explaining the future in the sentence!!


Please explain what's the difference of using "have had "and "have " .
Can we use ""had "" instead of using "have had". ??

Originally posted by henryford on 19 Apr 2018, 02:51.
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henryford wrote:
Why can't we write the above sentence like this :

" joe will have three children after this baby is born "

Hi henryford, this looks like a correct sentence.

How did you get the impression that it is not a correct sentence?
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New post 19 Apr 2018, 04:38
Hi Ashish ,

Never mentioned it's wrong am just asking what the big difference in using have had and just will have .

I will correct the question if it's confusing .

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Hi Henry, following usage of Future perfect would be perfect:)

joe will have had three children by the time he turns 30!

Future perfect basically indicates that an action will have been completed before some point (in this case before Joe turns 30) in the future.

Just Google Future perfect, for more information. By the way, GMAT doesn't really doesn't test on Future perfect in any big way (I can hardly recollect any sentence).
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New post 19 Apr 2018, 05:02
Thanks Ashish , tried in google didn't understood the point there so was asking here .


So the point here is that since it's a perfect future tense where an future action will happen after current future action in progress . Is that right ?
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Hi Henry, it's more like: a future action will have happened before another time/action in the future.

In my example in the previous post:

Joe will have had three children by the time he turns 30!

A future action (Joe having three children) will have happened before another time (Joe turning 30) in the future.
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henryford wrote:
Hi all

"joe will have had three children after this baby is born "

Why can't we write the above sentence like this :

" joe will have three children after this baby is born "

Even " will have " explaining the future in the sentence!!


Please explain what's the difference of using "have had "and "have " .
Can we use ""had "" instead of using "have had". ??


One reason this example is especially confusing is that we're using both the ordinary verb "have" (as in, "I have three children") and the helper verb "have" (as in, "I have eaten breakfast.") When you try to put the verb "have" into one of the perfect tenses, you can get weird sentences like this one:

"Last night, she told me that she had had a bad day."

"Have" is also a weird verb, because you can use it in two different ways in this context. If you say "Linda has a child," you would mean that Linda is a parent. But if you say "Linda is having a child," you mean that she's actually giving birth right now (or in the immediate future.) In your first example, you're saying that Joe's partner will have given birth to three children. In your second example, you're saying that Joe will be a parent of three children.

Long story short, this example seems weird just because English is a weird language. If you used any other example aside from having a child, it would be easier to understand the grammar! For instance, try the verb "read":

Joe will have read three books by the time his vacation ends.

Joe will read three books by the time his vacation ends.

They basically mean the same thing, and they're both correct. On the GMAT, as long as the sentences don't break any grammar rules, you don't need to worry about the tiny details of what minor changes in verb tense mean. If there's a meaning difference here, it's very subtle.
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EducationAisle wrote:
Hi Henry, it's more like: a future action will have happened before another time/action in the future.

In my example in the previous post:

Joe will have had three children by the time he turns 30!

A future action (Joe having three children) will have happened before another time (Joe turning 30) in the future.


Hi EducationAisle,

could help please me with the following sentence?

They can have a custom mount built in just 3 days after they observe the camera.
or
They can have a custom mount built in just 3 days after they had observed the camera.

the idea is: after observing and studying the camera, they can deliver a mount specifically designed for that camera in 3 days.
Although it sounds like Future perfect should be used, but "after they will have observed the camera" does not sound right to me.

Please advise. Very appreciated.
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New post Updated on: 22 Aug 2018, 23:33
Hi VodkaHelps, it seems that you got the sequencing a bit wrong.

Following is correct:

They can have a custom mount built in just 3 days after they observe the camera.

As I mentioned above, Future perfect basically indicates that an action will have been completed before some point in the future. So, if we have to use Future perfect, then we need to articulate the sentence as:

After they observe the camera, they will have built a custom mount within 3 days.
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Originally posted by EducationAisle on 22 Aug 2018, 23:03.
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New post 22 Aug 2018, 23:24
EducationAisle wrote:
Hi VodkaHelps, it seems that you got the sequencing a bit wrong.

Following is correct:

They can have a custom mount built in just 3 days after they observe the camera.

As I mentioned above, Future perfect basically indicates that an action will have been completed before some point in the future. So, if we have to use Future perfect, then we need to articulate the sentence as:

After they observe the camera, they will have built a custom mount built within 3 days.


Thank you for your reply.

Did you accidentally left "built" before within?
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Thanks! Removed it from my post:).
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