All highly successful salespersons are both well organized and self

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All highly successful salespersons are both well organized and self-motivated, characteristics absent from many salespersons who are not highly successful. Further, although only those who are highly successful are well known among their peers, no salesperson who are self-motivated regret their career choices.

If all of the following are true, which one of the following must be true?

A) No self motivated salesperson who are not highly successful are well organized
B) All salespersons who are well organized but not highly successful are self motivated
C) No salespersons who are well known among their peers regret their career choices
D) All salespersons who are not well organized regret their career choices
E) All salespersons who do not regret their career choices are highly successful

TaN1213 · Answer

All highly successful salespersons are both well organized and self-motivated, characteristics absent from many salespersons  both   who  are not highly successful. Further, although only those who are highly successful are well known among their peers, no salesperson who are self-motivated regret their career choices.

If all of the following are true, which one of the following must be true?

Lsat Qs are always a treat to mind. This one too is one. I believe the 'both' needs to be 'who' in the 1st sentence.

Breaking down the argument:

HS? --> Must be WO & SM ...........................................1
Not HS ---> Not (Must be WO & SM)...............................2
HS ---> WKP...............................................................3
SM salesperson ---> never regrets..................................4

C) No  salespersons who are well known among their peers (HS) regret their career choices

HS are SM. And from 4 we know SM never regrets. So, C is correct.

NCRanjan · Answer

+C
IMO the question is testing the reverse logic

That among all the cases of Non highly successful people there is a case where people are self motivated and work oriented and are still not highly successful. This eliminates option A easily

Option C talks about people that are well known which means they are highly successful that means they are both self motivated and work oriented . Since they are self motivated they have no regrets

ParthSanghavi · Answer

Although i got this right, i am still not exactly sure what is meant by " many salespersons both are not highly successful". Further, there a couple of places where the grammar if off again. Request the original poster to edit and post a clear concise version. Thanks

AKY13 · Answer

C may not be the right answer. 
self motivated = no regret for career choice. 
Now we need to establish the link b/n "well known among peers" & "self motivated". This can be done by establishing link b/n "self-motivation" & "successful salesperson". 
But "self motivation" may not ensure successful salesperson(SP) 
However, it is mentioned that all successful SP are self-motivated & the argument also says self motivation is absent in "MANY" unsuccessful SP, the argument doesn't say self-motivation is absent in all unsuccessful SP. There may still be self-motivated unsuccessful SPs.

Request to correct the grammatical errors in the question.

nightblade354 · Answer

AKY13 , there are no issues with this question. Please re-evaluate your line of thinking.

AKY13 · Answer

Hi

I wasn't able to get through few minor grammatical errors since correct form of sentences are gradually getting imbibed in me. Pardon me for pointing out these as this one is not a SC question.

I referred to below; let me know if I am not correct -

Further, although only those who are highly successful are well known among their peers, no salesperson who  are   is  self-motivated regret  their   his/her  career choices.

OR

Further, although only those who are highly successful are well known among their peers, no  salesperson  salespersons  who are self-motivated regret their career choices.

Also,

A) No self motivated  salesperson   salespersons  who are not highly successful are well organized

Divijakanneganty · Answer

Highly successful salesperson = Self-motivated + Well-organized.
These characteristics are absent in salespeople who are not highly successful.
Only few with high success become well-known...No self-motivated salesperson regrets his career choice.

A) No self motivated salesperson who are not highly successful are well organized
  Cannot infer anything about salespeople who are not successful 
B) All salespersons who are well organized but not highly successful are self motivated 
 Cannot infer information about all the salespeople since info is given only about highly successful salespeople 
C) No salespersons who are well known among their peers regret their career choices 
 From last sentence, No self-motivated salesperson regrets his choice... so irrespective or whether a person is highly successful or not, he will not regret his choice as long as he is self-motivated.
So, option C talks only about people known among their peers which means they are highly successful and highly successful salespeople are self-motivated already. 
D) All salespersons who are not well organized regret their career choices 
 Cannot infer information about all the salespeople since info is given only about highly successful salespeople 
E) All salespersons who do not regret their career choices are highly successful
 Cannot infer information about all the salespeople since info is given only about highly successful salespeople

IN2MBB2PE · Answer

GMATNinja   egmat   AndrewN   bb  can you please confirm that question similar to this is outside of the scope of GMAT as it is completely reliant on "FORMAL LOGIC"? Thanks!

egmat · Answer

Hey  IN2MBB2PE , 
 
Thanks for reaching out! 
 
 My two cents  – I would not consider such questions to be outside the scope of the GMAT. The ability to draw inferences based on some/all/most/no/etc. is an important one. These are exercises in deductive reasoning, after all (which is what GMAT inferences are all about!).
 
While some questions (typically easier ones!) may have options like what we see here (which may seem straight out of a discussion on logic rules), some other questions may have answer choices that do not seem so “formal” (to use your terminology 😊). But irrespective of this, we should be ready for such questions too. 
 
Hope this helps! 
Harsha

unraveled · Answer

All highly successful salespersons are both well organized and self-motivated, characteristics absent from many salespersons who are not highly successful. Further, although only those who are highly successful are well known among their peers, no salesperson who are self-motivated regret their career choices.

If all of the following are true, which one of the following must be true?

A)  No  self motivated salesperson who  are not highly successful  are well organized - WRONG. First, 'no' and then 'not highly successful' are not inferable, specially the latter.
B)  All  salespersons who are well organized but  not highly successful  are self motivated - WRONG. First, 'all' and then 'not highly successful' are not inferable, specially the latter. 
C) No salespersons who are well known among their peers regret their career choices - CORRECT. POE helps. If they are well known then they must be highly successful, and if they are highly successful they must be self motivated, and if they are self motivated then they must not be regretting their career choices.
D)  All  salespersons who  are not well organized  regret their career choices - WRONG. First, 'all' and then 'not well organized' are not inferable, specially the latter.
E)  All  salespersons who do not regret their career choices  are highly successful  - WRONG. Not necessarily. It is sure that SM salespersons don't regret their career choices but it can't be said that HS salesperson don't regret their career choices. A possibility still is there that some may regret.

Answer C.

bethebest96 · Answer

how to solve these types of cr ? using venn diagram ?

KarishmaB · Answer

First note that it is an LSAT question. Deductive logic usually does not appear in GMAT. But yes, venn diagram is perfect for this setup. Screenshot 2023-03-09 at 1.44.22 PM.png A) No self motivated salesperson who are not highly successful are well organized "self motivated salesperson who are not highly successful" = Blue green circle excluding purple No people in this region are well organized - This is not true. The green part are the people who are well organized. B) All salespersons who are well organized but not highly successful are self motivated "well organized but not highly successful" = Yellow green circle but not excluding purple All people on this region are self motivated - This is not true. The yellow region are not self motivated. C) No salespersons who are well known among their peers regret their career choices Well known people lie in the no regret circle. True D) All salespersons who are not well organized regret their career choices "All salespersons who are not well organized" - outside well organized circle. People outside the well organized circle regret their career choice - Not true. People in blue part certainly do not regret. We don't know about others. E) All salespersons who do not regret their career choices are highly successful Not true. We can already see that those in blue region do not regret but are not highly successful. Answer (C)

Feb2024 · Answer

GMATNinja   egmat   AndrewN   bb   gmatophobia   Bunuel

Hello Experts! While I got the answer right since Choice C seems more deducible, can you please explain why Choice A is incorrect?

Thanking you in Advance!

bb · Answer

I think Karishma has done it really well above with the diagram. I couldn’t beat that

egmat · Answer

Feb2024  While the above explanation by Karishma is spot-on using the venn diagram, I will just explain it to you in simple English (if that makes more sense to you):

Choice A states:  "No self-motivated salesperson who are not highly successful are well organized"

Translate this in simple English: If someone who is self-motivated AND not highly successful, then they are NOT well organized.

Now, we need to evaluate if, from the given information, this is a "MUST-TRUE" inference that will always follow.

What MUST TRUE statements can we infer from the Stimulus?

- All highly successful → well organized AND self-motivated
- Only highly successful → well known

But notice what we  DON'T  know: The stimulus never tells us what characteristics non-highly successful salespersons  must  have. It only says "many" (not all) unsuccessful salespersons lack organization and motivation.

Why option A will not always follow given that all the information given in the stimulus is true?

Counterexample: 
Imagine Bob, a salesperson who is:
- Self-motivated ✓
- Well organized ✓ 
- NOT highly successful (maybe he just started)
- NOT well known (because only highly successful are well known)
- Doesn't regret his career (because all self-motivated don't regret)

Bob satisfies ALL the given conditions in the question. But it violates Choice A. Therefore, A cannot be a must-be-true statement.

Why Your Answer C is Correct: 
You can trace a clear logical chain:
Well known → Highly successful → Self-motivated → No regret

I hope this helps you!

nimishb23 · Answer

The question mentions that all highly successful salespeople are self motivated, and it says no salesperson who are self motivated regret their career choices. It also says that self motivation and well organized are characteristics which are absent in unsuccessful salespeople.Which would mean that you have to be successful in order to not regret your career choices. E seems pretty logical to me

bb · Answer

You are falling for the trap of denying something doesn’t guarantee it.

For example, someone may say that if you jump in front of the train you will die. That seems pretty logical but it doesn’t mean that if you don’t jump in front of the train you will never die.

Similarly, in this question not regretting your choices does not guarantee as question must be true requires that you will be successful. It just means that successful people do not regret their choices but unsuccessful people may regret or may not regret, we actually do not know...

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