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All highly successful salespersons are both well organized and self-motivated, characteristics absent from many salespersons both are not highly successful. Further, although only those who are highly successful are well known among their peers, no salesperson who are self-motivated regret their career choices.

If all of the following are true, which one of the following must be true?

A) No self motivated salesperson who are not highly successful are well organized
B) All salespersons who are well organized but not highly successful are self motivated
C) No salespersons who are well known among their peers regret their career choices
D) All salespersons who are not well organized regret their career choices
E) All salespersons who do not regret their career choices are highly successful



Although i got this right, i am still not exactly sure what is meant by " many salespersons both are not highly successful". Further, there a couple of places where the grammar if off again. Request the original poster to edit and post a clear concise version. Thanks
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All highly successful salespersons are both well organized and self-motivated, characteristics absent from many salespersons who are not highly successful. Further, although only those who are highly successful are well known among their peers, no salesperson who are self-motivated regret their career choices.

If all of the following are true, which one of the following must be true?

A) No self motivated salesperson who are not highly successful are well organized
B) All salespersons who are well organized but not highly successful are self motivated
C) No salespersons who are well known among their peers regret their career choices
D) All salespersons who are not well organized regret their career choices
E) All salespersons who do not regret their career choices are highly successful


C may not be the right answer.
self motivated = no regret for career choice.
Now we need to establish the link b/n "well known among peers" & "self motivated". This can be done by establishing link b/n "self-motivation" & "successful salesperson".
But "self motivation" may not ensure successful salesperson(SP)
However, it is mentioned that all successful SP are self-motivated & the argument also says self motivation is absent in "MANY" unsuccessful SP, the argument doesn't say self-motivation is absent in all unsuccessful SP. There may still be self-motivated unsuccessful SPs.

Request to correct the grammatical errors in the question.
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AKY13, there are no issues with this question. Please re-evaluate your line of thinking.
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AKY13, there are no issues with this question. Please re-evaluate your line of thinking.


Hi

I wasn't able to get through few minor grammatical errors since correct form of sentences are gradually getting imbibed in me. Pardon me for pointing out these as this one is not a SC question.

I referred to below; let me know if I am not correct -

Further, although only those who are highly successful are well known among their peers, no salesperson who are is self-motivated regret their his/her career choices.

OR

Further, although only those who are highly successful are well known among their peers, no salespersonsalespersons who are self-motivated regret their career choices.


Also,

A) No self motivated salesperson salespersons who are not highly successful are well organized
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All highly successful salespersons are both well organized and self [#permalink]
Highly successful salesperson = Self-motivated + Well-organized.
These characteristics are absent in salespeople who are not highly successful.
Only few with high success become well-known...No self-motivated salesperson regrets his career choice.

A) No self motivated salesperson who are not highly successful are well organized
Cannot infer anything about salespeople who are not successful
B) All salespersons who are well organized but not highly successful are self motivated
Cannot infer information about all the salespeople since info is given only about highly successful salespeople
C) No salespersons who are well known among their peers regret their career choices
From last sentence, No self-motivated salesperson regrets his choice... so irrespective or whether a person is highly successful or not, he will not regret his choice as long as he is self-motivated.
So, option C talks only about people known among their peers which means they are highly successful and highly successful salespeople are self-motivated already.

D) All salespersons who are not well organized regret their career choices
Cannot infer information about all the salespeople since info is given only about highly successful salespeople
E) All salespersons who do not regret their career choices are highly successful
Cannot infer information about all the salespeople since info is given only about highly successful salespeople
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Re: All highly successful salespersons are both well organized and self [#permalink]
GMATNinja egmat AndrewN bb can you please confirm that question similar to this is outside of the scope of GMAT as it is completely reliant on "FORMAL LOGIC"? Thanks!
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GMATNinja egmat AndrewN bb can you please confirm that question similar to this is outside of the scope of GMAT as it is completely reliant on "FORMAL LOGIC"? Thanks!



Hey IN2MBB2PE,

Thanks for reaching out!

My two cents – I would not consider such questions to be outside the scope of the GMAT. The ability to draw inferences based on some/all/most/no/etc. is an important one. These are exercises in deductive reasoning, after all (which is what GMAT inferences are all about!).

While some questions (typically easier ones!) may have options like what we see here (which may seem straight out of a discussion on logic rules), some other questions may have answer choices that do not seem so “formal” (to use your terminology 😊). But irrespective of this, we should be ready for such questions too.

Hope this helps!
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Re: All highly successful salespersons are both well organized and self [#permalink]
All highly successful salespersons are both well organized and self-motivated, characteristics absent from many salespersons who are not highly successful. Further, although only those who are highly successful are well known among their peers, no salesperson who are self-motivated regret their career choices.

If all of the following are true, which one of the following must be true?

A) No self motivated salesperson who are not highly successful are well organized - WRONG. First, 'no' and then 'not highly successful' are not inferable, specially the latter.
B) All salespersons who are well organized but not highly successful are self motivated - WRONG. First, 'all' and then 'not highly successful' are not inferable, specially the latter.
C) No salespersons who are well known among their peers regret their career choices - CORRECT. POE helps. If they are well known then they must be highly successful, and if they are highly successful they must be self motivated, and if they are self motivated then they must not be regretting their career choices.
D) All salespersons who are not well organized regret their career choices - WRONG. First, 'all' and then 'not well organized' are not inferable, specially the latter.
E) All salespersons who do not regret their career choices are highly successful - WRONG. Not necessarily. It is sure that SM salespersons don't regret their career choices but it can't be said that HS salesperson don't regret their career choices. A possibility still is there that some may regret.

Answer C.
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Re: All highly successful salespersons are both well organized and self [#permalink]
how to solve these types of cr ? using venn diagram ?
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nightblade354 wrote:
All highly successful salespersons are both well organized and self-motivated, characteristics absent from many salespersons who are not highly successful. Further, although only those who are highly successful are well known among their peers, no salesperson who are self-motivated regret their career choices.

If all of the following are true, which one of the following must be true?

A) No self motivated salesperson who are not highly successful are well organized
B) All salespersons who are well organized but not highly successful are self motivated
C) No salespersons who are well known among their peers regret their career choices
D) All salespersons who are not well organized regret their career choices
E) All salespersons who do not regret their career choices are highly successful


First note that it is an LSAT question. Deductive logic usually does not appear in GMAT.
But yes, venn diagram is perfect for this setup.

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A) No self motivated salesperson who are not highly successful are well organized

"self motivated salesperson who are not highly successful" = Blue green circle excluding purple
No people in this region are well organized - This is not true. The green part are the people who are well organized.

B) All salespersons who are well organized but not highly successful are self motivated

"well organized but not highly successful" = Yellow green circle but not excluding purple
All people on this region are self motivated - This is not true. The yellow region are not self motivated.

C) No salespersons who are well known among their peers regret their career choices

Well known people lie in the no regret circle. True

D) All salespersons who are not well organized regret their career choices

"All salespersons who are not well organized" - outside well organized circle.
People outside the well organized circle regret their career choice - Not true. People in blue part certainly do not regret. We don't know about others.

E) All salespersons who do not regret their career choices are highly successful

Not true. We can already see that those in blue region do not regret but are not highly successful.

Answer (C)
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