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This is from GMAT+, I can't get the answer that they provide...

If a rope is cut into three pieces of unequal length, what is the length of these pieces of rope?

I. The combined length of the two longer pieces is 12 meters.

II. The combined of the two shorter pieces is 11 meters.

Please explain as well.



Just a correction. I think it asks to find the length of shortest piece. It's problem 7 of section 2, right?
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can't you just take a look here and notice: i have 3 variables, but only 2 (different) equations. therefore, automatically "E"?
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Three pieces are of unequal length. We need to find the sum of lengths of all the pieces.

(1) Insufficient as length of third piece is unknown.

(2) Insufficient for same reason as above.

(1) + (2) together: At first glance looks like two equations and two unknowns but on solving...
Lets say L, M , S are the three pieces,

L + M = 12
M + S = 11

L - S = 1
L = S + 1
If we substitute either L or S above, we just get the other equation.

Again, we cannot solve this as no further info is available.

Hence Option (E) is correct.

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If a rope is cut into three pieces of unequal length, what is the length of these pieces of rope?

(1) The combined length of the two longer pieces is 12 meters.
(2) The combined of the two shorter pieces is 11 meters.
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If a rope is cut into three pieces of unequal length, what is the length of these pieces of rope?

(1) The combined length of the two longer pieces is 12 meters.
(2) The combined of the two shorter pieces is 11 meters.


statement one: the length of the two longer pieces could be 5 and 7 or 4 and 8 INSUFFICIENT


statement two: the length of the two shorter pieces could be 3 and 8 INSUFFICIENT


COMBINING BOTH STILL INSUFFICIENT

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can't you just take a look here and notice: i have 3 variables, but only 2 (different) equations. therefore, automatically "E"?

Hi LakerFan24

I thought the same and selected option E, but sometime in GMAT they make options with such twist that we can find answer in same kind situations we had in this question. Like ans might would have been possible if question would have said length of all 3 pieces were in sequence.
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Think of the 3 lengths as AX XY and YB and AB is the total length, which we do not know the value.

1) AX + XY= 12 not sufficient because we do not the value of YB

2) XY + YB= 11 not sufficient because we do not know the value of AX

1+2) AX+XB=12
XY+YB=11

as a result, we have AX-YB=1 we still do not know the value of AX and YB so not sufficient.
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i have 3 variables, but only 2 (different) equations
let 3 pieces be of length a,b,c
let length a>b>c
therefor a+b = 12
b+c = 11

solving it will give a-c = 1
hence E both are not sufficient
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If a rope is cut into three pieces of unequal length, what is the length of these pieces of rope?


(1) The combined length of the two longer pieces is 12 meters.

(2) The combined of the two shorter pieces is 11 meters.
 
Let the pieces be of lengths \(a, b,\) and \(c\) respectively where \(a \geq b \geq c\)

(A) \(a+b=12\). Insufficient as we don't know how small the third piece would be. One possible combination is \(8+4+2=14\) and other possible combination is \(8+4+1=13\). Insufficient.

(B) \(b+c=11\). Insufficient as we don't know how large the first piece would be. One possible combination is \(20+8+3=31\) and other possible combination is \(40+8+3=51\). Insufficient.

Combining the two we get,
\(a+b=12\) and \(b+c=11\)
Upon simplification we get \(a=c+1\)
Now we know that \(c\) cannot be \(>\) than \(5.5\)
So let's build two cases and test

Case1:
\(c=5.5\) Therefore, \(a=6.5\) Therefore, \(b=5.5\)
Therefore, \(Total=6.5+5.5+5.5=17.5\)

Case2:
\(c=5\) Therefore, \(a=6\) Therefore, \(b=6\)
Therefore, \(Total=6+6+5=17\)

Clearly as we are arriving at two different answers even on combining the statements, we can safely say that the two statements are even together insufficient.

Hence, E.­
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