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hi,

As my subject reads i am well aware that by now I should be having my GMAT score and all geared up to apply.

Here is the situation, I am very perturbed by the fact that I have successfully managed to delay giving my GMAT Exam. Having said that, my current situation is that I am struggling a bit with the CR Questions as no specific method seems to work 100% on it. It is pretty general. The RC is totally subjective, sometimes I do well in it sometimes the questions are tricky or the passage itself is too awkward in terms of style of writing.

All in all I know i need more practice in Verbal.
Quant on the other hand is average to say the least, last few months i have specifically focused on Verbal (SC specific...mind you irregular otherwise i would have been discussing my score rather, by this time)

So My Deepest Concern is and I really hope and plead our experts for their two cents here:

As per my evaluation, i am targeting exactly a month from the day of this post as my GMAT EXAM. Given the fact that I DO NOT want to waste a year.

Firstly, do you see any flaw (as per your experience) in this target?

Secondly, I am clear about US as my destination and top 50-60 schools. So if God forbid i don't get 720+ and i wish to retake it, then as per GMAC rules my next date will be Oct 11, 2014. So will I be too late to apply for schools and to avail the option for applying for scholarships for US B-schools?

Kindly Respond as soon as you can.
If possible, please be a little specific and by that I mean you can totally criticize/censure me based on my approach here. Past I cannot change but NOW is with me.
Would be really really grateful for any help. :(

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Dear Earnit,
I'm happy to respond. :-)

Well, a month can be a reasonable time in which to prepare for a GMAT, but you want a 720+, a truly elite score, and it sounds as if you are hovering around average in math and below average in verbal. That would make a getting a 720+ in a month a rather daunting challenging.

Three months of intense study would be better than one month of intense study, and it would bring your target into somewhat more realistic range.

First of all, here's a set of free GMAT idiom flashcards:
https://gmat.magoosh.com/flashcards/idioms
Here's a three-month study plan for across-the-board improvement:
https://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/3-month-gm ... beginners/

You are hitting a roadblock in GMAT CR right now. You need to READ. You need to force yourself to read for a hour a day: that's over and above any time spend on GMAT-specific preparations. You need to read hard, sophisticated reading in English. Since you want an MBA, you already should be reading the Wall Street Journal every day and the Economist Magazine from cover to cover every week. Those publications are full of arguments, real-world arguments --- some are made by the editors, but most are contained in the articles, covering arguments made by politicians, business folks, scientists, and other experts. Many articles have person #1 making some argument, and then person #2 making a counter-argument. You need to fight your way through these highly sophisticated arguments. For each one, what is the evidence, what is the conclusion, and what is the assumption? What would strengthen or weaken it? What can you infer? What kind of information would you need to evaluate the strength of the argument? If there's a counter argument, how does the counter-argument respond to the original? Does it present new evidence? Does it attack an assumption? You need to figure all this out for all voices in the article. When you are comfortable reading all of those arguments, GMAT CR will seem much easier.

Part of the reason that outside reading will help is: GMAT CR doesn't depend on having specific knowledge of individual situations in the real world, but it absolutely depends on having general instincts about how the real world operates, about the typical motives and goals of real people in the world. You can only develop this intuition by reading about problems & issues in the real world. Having that intuition will make the GMAT CR that much clearer.

My friend, for you, I highly recommend Magoosh. We just revamped all our Verbal Lesson videos, so you will get cutting edge presentations of content and strategies for the Verbal section. Here's a sample SC lesson:
https://gmat.magoosh.com/lessons/944-substantive-clauses
Here's a sample CR question:
https://gmat.magoosh.com/questions/3140
Here's a sample SC question:
https://gmat.magoosh.com/questions/3586
When you submit your answer to each of these, the following page will have a full video explanation. Each one of Magoosh's 800+ questions has its own VE. This immediate feedback accelerates the learning process, which is exactly what you need to achieve a lofty goal in a relatively short amount of time.

Please let me know if you have any further questions.
Mike :-)


Hi Mike,

Thank a ton for your advice. I am going through some of the videos as you suggested.

I hope this would help me clear off the Rough edges and improve my accuracy in CR to be specific.

I will be bothering you again and would be requiring your guidance when and if i get stuck up.

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hi,

As my subject reads i am well aware that by now I should be having my GMAT score and all geared up to apply.

Here is the situation, I am very perturbed by the fact that I have successfully managed to delay giving my GMAT Exam. Having said that, my current situation is that I am struggling a bit with the CR Questions as no specific method seems to work 100% on it. It is pretty general. The RC is totally subjective, sometimes I do well in it sometimes the questions are tricky or the passage itself is too awkward in terms of style of writing.

All in all I know i need more practice in Verbal.
Quant on the other hand is average to say the least, last few months i have specifically focused on Verbal (SC specific...mind you irregular otherwise i would have been discussing my score rather, by this time)

So My Deepest Concern is and I really hope and plead our experts for their two cents here:

As per my evaluation, i am targeting exactly a month from the day of this post as my GMAT EXAM. Given the fact that I DO NOT want to waste a year.

Firstly, do you see any flaw (as per your experience) in this target?

Secondly, I am clear about US as my destination and top 50-60 schools. So if God forbid i don't get 720+ and i wish to retake it, then as per GMAC rules my next date will be Oct 11, 2014. So will I be too late to apply for schools and to avail the option for applying for scholarships for US B-schools?

Kindly Respond as soon as you can.
If possible, please be a little specific and by that I mean you can totally criticize/censure me based on my approach here. Past I cannot change but NOW is with me.
Would be really really grateful for any help. :(

Thanks & Regards
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So here are my two cents:

- If you are not close to feeling prepared right now, a month may not make a whole lot of difference. Aim for round 2 admission and accordingly, take the test in October. The only reason you might want to take the test without feeling prepared is for practice purposes. Scholarships for international students are hard to come by anyway.

- If you are targeting top 50 schools, you don't need 720+. A 680+ should be good enough. Even though this doesn't change anything, it relieves some pressure from your mind. Of course, higher the score, the better!

- Improving in CR is the easiest. If you understand it conceptually, most questions will fall in place - just as it happens in Quant. Check out some of our CR posts to get an idea of what I mean.

- Sometimes you fare well in RC, sometimes you don't. Probably, when the passage is based on a topic that interests you or is written in simple language, you fare well. Perhaps, you get discouraged if the passage seems tough. Reading articles on various subjects will help and so will working on tough passages with a strategy in mind e.g. at the end of every paragraph, jot down in 4 words what it is about. That will make you answerable at short intervals and your mind will find it more difficult to wander.

Hi VeritasPrepKarishma,

Thank you so much for your response. I am basically not willing to waste a year (most importantly) and/or make a compromise join a below average B-school with an ROI not worth it.
I'am repeating the 'Late' monologue but i guess better late than never. There are a few queries, if you could be kind enough to shed some light on.

1. You mentioned Scholarships being very tough for International Students. I understand that Ma'am. Is a good score paramount in order to get a S'ship? I mean suppose for a University cut off is 700 and I apply with a score of 710 so will it be a strong driving factor towards me securing a S'ship and bad news for the one just making the cut with 701.

2. Is it advisable to prepare or refer to Quant, pertaining to CAT(india) study material. A common argument is that if you prepare at a level that is higher than what GMAT offers you are bound to do better in an Exam at comparatively easier level of questions. Although i don't see how that approach is going to aid me in a month long preparation.

Also, I am not too sure how effective the Quant Video Tutorials would be inorder to wrap up concepts with a touch of covering different possible types of Questions using the concept/topic.

Thanks & Regards,
Earnit
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Thank you so much for your response. I am basically not willing to waste a year (most importantly) and/or make a compromise join a below average B-school with an ROI not worth it.
I'am repeating the 'Late' monologue but i guess better late than never. There are a few queries, if you could be kind enough to shed some light on.

1. You mentioned Scholarships being very tough for International Students. I understand that Ma'am. Is a good score paramount in order to get a S'ship? I mean suppose for a University cut off is 700 and I apply with a score of 710 so will it be a strong driving factor towards me securing a S'ship and bad news for the one just making the cut with 701.

2. Is it advisable to prepare or refer to Quant, pertaining to CAT(india) study material. A common argument is that if you prepare at a level that is higher than what GMAT offers you are bound to do better in an Exam at comparatively easier level of questions. Although i don't see how that approach is going to aid me in a month long preparation.

Also, I am not too sure how effective the Quant Video Tutorials would be inorder to wrap up concepts with a touch of covering different possible types of Questions using the concept/topic.

Thanks & Regards,
Earnit

1. Schools don't have "cut off" scores. There is certainly a range that the school generally sticks to but you can get into HARVARD with a 650. Your profile is a huge input in the admission process. I assume that the selection for scholarship process has even less to do with GMAT score. Think - why does a school offer a scholarship to a student? It does so because it really wants the student in its class. Do you think that a high GMAT score is all a school wants? There are many people who get very high GMAT scores. All of them don't even get admitted, forget scholarships. On the other hand, if your profile is such that the school really wants you i.e. it perceives that you will add great value to its class - say you are a chain entrepreneur with successful ventures/right hand man of the top strategist of your country etc, it might offer you scholarship even with a relatively average score. You need to add value to the school and not just hope to learn from it.

2. Do not get into the CAT material. I have known people with 98 ile in CAT but 60-70%ile in GMAT so the concept of "if you prepare at a level that is higher than what GMAT offers you are bound to do better in an Exam at comparatively easier level" is flawed. CAT and GMAT are different - they are not harder and easier versions of the same thing - granted, the concepts are the same but strategies and pitfalls are very different. GMAT tests basic concepts but in a very tricky manner at higher levels. Use GMAT specific material only. If you have already taken CAT, you will be comfortable with basic concepts and hence preparing for GMAT will take less time but you will need to specifically prepare for GMAT.

3. Videos are extremely useful for explaining solutions of tough questions in Geometry and other topics since people get tired of reading 2 page long written explanations. Videos can also explain you Quant concepts in detail since for some people, watching and listening are easier to do than reading but at the end of it all, you need to sit with questions on your own. Without solving on your own, you cannot get better at Quant.
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Thank you so much for your response. I am basically not willing to waste a year (most importantly) and/or make a compromise join a below average B-school with an ROI not worth it.
I'am repeating the 'Late' monologue but i guess better late than never. There are a few queries, if you could be kind enough to shed some light on.

1. You mentioned Scholarships being very tough for International Students. I understand that Ma'am. Is a good score paramount in order to get a S'ship? I mean suppose for a University cut off is 700 and I apply with a score of 710 so will it be a strong driving factor towards me securing a S'ship and bad news for the one just making the cut with 701.

2. Is it advisable to prepare or refer to Quant, pertaining to CAT(india) study material. A common argument is that if you prepare at a level that is higher than what GMAT offers you are bound to do better in an Exam at comparatively easier level of questions. Although i don't see how that approach is going to aid me in a month long preparation.

Also, I am not too sure how effective the Quant Video Tutorials would be inorder to wrap up concepts with a touch of covering different possible types of Questions using the concept/topic.

Thanks & Regards,
Earnit

1. Schools don't have "cut off" scores. There is certainly a range that the school generally sticks to but you can get into HARVARD with a 650. Your profile is a huge input in the admission process. I assume that the selection for scholarship process has even less to do with GMAT score. Think - why does a school offer a scholarship to a student? It does so because it really wants the student in its class. Do you think that a high GMAT score is all a school wants? There are many people who get very high GMAT scores. All of them don't even get admitted, forget scholarships. On the other hand, if your profile is such that the school really wants you i.e. it perceives that you will add great value to its class - say you are a chain entrepreneur with successful ventures/right hand man of the top strategist of your country etc, it might offer you scholarship even with a relatively average score. You need to add value to the school and not just hope to learn from it.

2. Do not get into the CAT material. I have known people with 98 ile in CAT but 60-70%ile in GMAT so the concept of "if you prepare at a level that is higher than what GMAT offers you are bound to do better in an Exam at comparatively easier level" is flawed. CAT and GMAT are different - they are not harder and easier versions of the same thing - granted, the concepts are the same but strategies and pitfalls are very different. GMAT tests basic concepts but in a very tricky manner at higher levels. Use GMAT specific material only. If you have already taken CAT, you will be comfortable with basic concepts and hence preparing for GMAT will take less time but you will need to specifically prepare for GMAT.

3. Videos are extremely useful for explaining solutions of tough questions in Geometry and other topics since people get tired of reading 2 page long written explanations. Videos can also explain you Quant concepts in detail since for some people, watching and listening are easier to do than reading but at the end of it all, you need to sit with questions on your own. Without solving on your own, you cannot get better at Quant.


Thanks a ton @VeritasPrepKarishma.
That cleared a lot of myths.