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22 Dec 2021, 17:15
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Hi All -
I've been offered a position at the FTMBA program at both, the Bayes Business School (formerly Cass) and the Alliance Manchester Business School. I understand that there are also other options such as Imperial, Warwick, etc., but these are the two I've narrowed down my choices to.
I've worked in the Consulting domain in India for about 5 years, and have been currently working in London for the last year or so. My post MBA aim is to either move to a better opportunity in the Consulting world itself or move into a strategic management role in the UK, not necessarily in London.
I've spoken with alumni at both places and the principal difference that proponents of Bayes tell me is that it has the advantage of being in London. I understand how that might be a stark advantage compared to a school like (say) Cranfield that has to depend on London for networking connect, being based in a smaller town, but I'm not sure if that is such an advantage compared to Manchester, a big city as well. In any case, I find it hard to believe that potential employers would go to recruit in a school just cause it's down the road from them. Apart from that, living in London would be comparatively more expensive, but I'm fine with the cost aspect either way. Also, I'm slightly concerned about the reputation of City, UoL itself as compared to UoM, but not sure if that is really pertinent.
Rankings are for both are fairly compatible, with Manchester only being slightly above Bayes in most places. Hence the need for help. If anyone can help me with this choice, I'd be most grateful.
I've been offered a position at the FTMBA program at both, the Bayes Business School (formerly Cass) and the Alliance Manchester Business School. I understand that there are also other options such as Imperial, Warwick, etc., but these are the two I've narrowed down my choices to.
I've worked in the Consulting domain in India for about 5 years, and have been currently working in London for the last year or so. My post MBA aim is to either move to a better opportunity in the Consulting world itself or move into a strategic management role in the UK, not necessarily in London.
I've spoken with alumni at both places and the principal difference that proponents of Bayes tell me is that it has the advantage of being in London. I understand how that might be a stark advantage compared to a school like (say) Cranfield that has to depend on London for networking connect, being based in a smaller town, but I'm not sure if that is such an advantage compared to Manchester, a big city as well. In any case, I find it hard to believe that potential employers would go to recruit in a school just cause it's down the road from them. Apart from that, living in London would be comparatively more expensive, but I'm fine with the cost aspect either way. Also, I'm slightly concerned about the reputation of City, UoL itself as compared to UoM, but not sure if that is really pertinent.
Rankings are for both are fairly compatible, with Manchester only being slightly above Bayes in most places. Hence the need for help. If anyone can help me with this choice, I'd be most grateful.
22 Dec 2021, 22:52
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Welcome to GMAT Club!
Did not realize Cass was renamed. Thank you for that!
Manchester is a great program. I believe they still have the consulting project at the end of the second year which is a unique experience where you work in teams on various projects. At the same time Manchester is a more industrial blue-color town historically - you may know better than me. It does not have as many corporate quadquarters, exchanges, trading desks, etc as London does. It does not have LBS, Oxbridge, HEC, and all other schools recruiting either but that's a different story.
As to the location/proximity, what happens with smaller programs is that their sphere of influence is much more immediate than schools such as Oxford or LBS for example that have universally recognized names. Heck, you had to explain that Bayes, is the old Cass program, so an employer or recruiter may not have heard that explanation, you know what I mean? It does not matter what you have been learning or how well you did on your classes, what matters is that you stand out and connect. Thus, being close to the campus, you are close to where people have found jobs in the past through networking on on campus. It is a lot easier to get London employers to visit London campus than Manchester where they have to take a day trip. Most likely it will be Zoom in the best case or nothing. You should not underestimate proximity to employment centers. This is one reason Foster does really well in tech because so many Tech employers are in Seattle.
Frankly, I don't know what's going on with Bayes, and not sure if that is a good thing they renamed themselves or that's a mess but changing brands and school names is tricky.... I would say pick the school where you would want to be long term. Sometimes you have to start from the end to get to the bottom of it. Imagine you graduate in 2 years (both are 2-year programs, right?) and you would be looking for a job. How would you look for it if you don't get handed to you by the Career Center (most likely you won't). Which companies will you target? Which alums do those companies have the most of? Bayes or Manchester? Which alum network will be more valuable? You can get this info through LinkedIn or talking to current students.
Did not realize Cass was renamed. Thank you for that!
Manchester is a great program. I believe they still have the consulting project at the end of the second year which is a unique experience where you work in teams on various projects. At the same time Manchester is a more industrial blue-color town historically - you may know better than me. It does not have as many corporate quadquarters, exchanges, trading desks, etc as London does. It does not have LBS, Oxbridge, HEC, and all other schools recruiting either but that's a different story.
As to the location/proximity, what happens with smaller programs is that their sphere of influence is much more immediate than schools such as Oxford or LBS for example that have universally recognized names. Heck, you had to explain that Bayes, is the old Cass program, so an employer or recruiter may not have heard that explanation, you know what I mean? It does not matter what you have been learning or how well you did on your classes, what matters is that you stand out and connect. Thus, being close to the campus, you are close to where people have found jobs in the past through networking on on campus. It is a lot easier to get London employers to visit London campus than Manchester where they have to take a day trip. Most likely it will be Zoom in the best case or nothing. You should not underestimate proximity to employment centers. This is one reason Foster does really well in tech because so many Tech employers are in Seattle.
Frankly, I don't know what's going on with Bayes, and not sure if that is a good thing they renamed themselves or that's a mess but changing brands and school names is tricky.... I would say pick the school where you would want to be long term. Sometimes you have to start from the end to get to the bottom of it. Imagine you graduate in 2 years (both are 2-year programs, right?) and you would be looking for a job. How would you look for it if you don't get handed to you by the Career Center (most likely you won't). Which companies will you target? Which alums do those companies have the most of? Bayes or Manchester? Which alum network will be more valuable? You can get this info through LinkedIn or talking to current students.
25 Dec 2021, 10:19
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Thanks for the response and the warm welcome, bb.
Cass changed its name because it was discovered that Sir John Cass, after whom it was named, had been associated with the enslavement of people.
The name change did happen earlier this year, and I'm not sure if it will continue to have such an impact in 2022/23. Cass is a 12-month program, while Manchester offers 12/15/18 month options.
Thinking on the latter part of what you mentioned, I do prefer to be in London after my MBA, and hence, all things considered, Bayes might be a better option in that regard even though Manchester scores higher on ratings etc. I don't have a problem with Machester either, but then Bayes just seems a more direct route to my goals.
Thoughts are still welcome.
