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I beg to (politely differ) from Mike....

I believe the answer is A.
Dear MBArenaissance,
Ah, good work. I had no idea where they were getting their answers, but now I have a very focused idea of the problem with the question. The problem comes down to this phrase:
the gears start to rotate at the same rate
What does "at the same rate" mean? We could talk about either
(a) a linear speed, called the tangential velocity in Physics, as MBArenaissance and as, apparently, the question author intended.
or
(b) a rotation speed, called the angular velocity or angular frequency in Physics. This was my interpretation.

I would argue that, if by "same rate" they intend "same linear speed", that needs to be stated unambiguously as part of the problem. I would argue that in most context in which the phrase "rotate at the same rate" is used, the general assumption is that the rotational speeds, not the linear speeds, are equal. That most certainly would be the assumption in a Physics context.
One thing that would have made the problem much clearer is if, instead of being coaxial (a strange configuration for gears!), the gears were actually on the same plane and interlocked the way gears are supposed to be. That would guarantee equal tangential velocities in an unambiguous way.

Again, I would say that if anyone approaches this question and is utterly befuddled by the choices available, that's not the fault of the test taker. That's the fault of some rather shoddy phrasing in this question.

Mike :-)
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The need to make the right assumption is what makes this question difficult. If the assumption that the number of rotations per minute be equal is made, then there is practically nothing to solve. Also there are no choices that correspond to this assumption. Considering the difficulty level of the question and also considering the fact that there are no choices that support the equal rotations per minute assumption, I think the student has to make the assumption that the linear speed only is the same.
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Thank you for your responses.
But, I cannot understand two things:

A) The questions states that the gears are mounted on the same axle , then how can one turn clockwise and the other anti co
lcokwise?

B) What MBAintern said makes sense when the gears are meshing. Then the linear velocity will be constant and the angular velocity will be inversely proportional to the dia.

i.e N2/N1=D2/D1

Then, I suppose when the question states that one gear is mounted directly over another, it actually means that they are in a mesh arrangement.

If they weren't then there is no way of imagining one can rotate clockwise and the other goes anti clockwise.

Having said that, I would like to ask you guys whether you think this question is a GMAT type question.

I was curious about this question only because of my engineering background.
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Thank you for your responses.
The questions states that the gears are mounted on the same axle , then how can one turn clockwise and the other anticlockwise?

I was curious about this question only because of my engineering background.
Dear 12bhang,
Actually, although I focus on the GMAT now, I have a Physics background.

I believe this is a very poor question, probably designed by someone who was trying to write a challenging question but who really does not good physical/mechanical intuition.

One could imagine a scenario in which the gears are coaxial but rotating in opposite directions. For example, suppose there were a central iron pole, and there were two cylindrical sleeves, well lubricated, around the rod, and each gear was mounted on one of those sleeves. The central pole simply provides alignment and support, not motion. The motion of the gears would have to be driven by something else, belts or cables or something. That is a complicated, but conceivable scenario in which the motion of the gears could be in opposite directions and entirely independent. I believe the question is trying to describe something like that, but "on the same axle" is indeed misleading.

If a GMAT math question is well written, one does not need any external knowledge of engineering, economics, etc. etc. A good GMAT math question is a complete entity unto itself, unambiguously providing all the data you need to answer the question. This question falls abysmally short of that standard.

Does all this make sense?
Mike :-)
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So what do we do? It looks like there is an unresolved debate over this one.
Can someone else state their opinion or should the question be ignored till further notice?

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According to the Q:
Speed of rotation is same (linear speed)
Diameters of Large : Small are in ratio: 4:1 (96:24)
So, 4 rotations on small gear = 1 rotation on large gear.
Or, 1 rotation on small gear = 0.25 rotation on large gear.
Direction of rotation: opposite (small anti clockwise, large clockwise)

To calculate: distance traveled by a notch on large gear when notch of large gear meets notch on small gear for the second time.

Instance #1:
Small gear 1 rot = notch back at 12 o clock
Large gear= 0.25 rot = notch at 3 o o clock i.e. 0.25 on the circumstance

Instance #2:
Small gear Another 0.5 rot= notch at 6 o clock
Large gear = 0.25/2 rot = notch at 4.30 on clock i.e. 0.25 + 0.125= 0.375 on circumference

Meeting Point:
Using relative distance and speed concept

Relative Distance between two notches is 1/8 of circumference on large gear= 0.125

Angular speed is in ratio- small:large= 4:1
Relative speed: 5x

Time to meet: 0.125/5x = 0.025x

In this time, distance traveled by large gear speed x: 0.025

Position of large gear is= 96pi/(0.375+0.025) = 96pi/0.4= 38.4pi

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A circular gear with a diameter of 24cm is mounted directly over another circular gear with a dia of 96cm. Both gears run on the same axle at their exact centres and each gear has a single notch at the 12 O clock position. At the same moment the gears start to rotate at the same rate, with the larger gear moving clockwise and the smaller gear moving anticlockwise.

How far in centimetres will the notch on the larger gear have moved the second time the notches pass each other?

A) 38.4*pi
B) 31.6*pi
C) 19*pi
D) 25*pi
E) 41.6*pi

ratio of large to small gear diameters is 4:1
thus, ratio of large gear to small gear revolutions is 1:4
at 1st notch meeting, large gear has made 1/5 revolution clockwise while small gear has made 4/5 revolution counter-clockwise
at 2nd notch meeting, large gear has made 2/5 revolution clockwise while small gear has made 8/5 revolutions counter-clockwise
2/5*96⫪=38.4⫪
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Okay, thanks guys!

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Since the notches start in the same position and move in opposite directions towards each other, they will trace a circle together when they pass for the first time, having covered a joint total of 360*. When the notches meet for the second time, they will have traced two full circles together for a total of 720*.

Since the circumference of the large gear is 4 times greater than that of the small gear, the large notch will cover only 1/4 of the number of degrees that the small notch does.


So the large notch will have covered 144* when the notches pass for the second time. Since the circumference of the large gear is 96 pi, we can set up the following proportion to solve for the linear distance covered by the large notch:

144/360 = x/96 pi

x= 38.4 pi
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Since the notches start in the same position and move in opposite directions towards each other,
they will trace a circle together when they pass for the first time, having covered a joint total of
. When the notches meet for the second time, they will have traced two full circles together
for a total of .
Since the circumference of the large gear is 4 times greater than that of the small gear, the large
notch will cover only 1/4 of the number of degrees that the small notch does.
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very easy -600-650 level

ratio of diameter=big:small=4:1
ratio of speed=big:small=1:4

now the direction movement is opposite--->at meeting point a total of angle of 360 degree would have been covered by both(360=0degree ;similar to initial condition);
since ratio of speed is 4:1 similar will be the ratio of angle subttended.
so from above
5x=360
x=72
so we are required to find meeing distance of second time meeting point
similarly, next meeting at 72 degree again
now,
total degree covered by big gear =72(1st meet)+72(2nd meet)=144

now distance=144/360*pi*dia(big gear)=38.4pi
hence (C)
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