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got to know 1st part , max value of X is 50, but didnt quite get Y value as 22
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It is a great problem to rehearse indeed! What did you get as the Y value?
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got to know 1st part , max value of X is 50, but didnt quite get Y value as 22
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It is a great problem to rehearse indeed! What did you get as the Y value?

Initially got 65, then it turned out to be wrong .
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If only 25% students concentrated in finance, how can we have 50% students finance in all 4 ?
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The question states: "three or more" and not ALL 4 particularly.
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If only 25% students concentrated in finance, how can we have 50% students finance in all 4 ?
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There is no clear explanation or solution of this question.
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X should be 52.5 percent. Y should be 21.66%.

for x you can have ---
Marketing + Finance + Strategy: 22.5%
Marketing + Operations + Strategy: 27.5%
Finance + Operations + Strategy: 2.5%
Strategy only: 7.5%
No Concentration: 40%
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I got x as 50, need an explanation for Y

I took the min value of highest 3, subtracted the value from each , then took remaining elements and added the min value common to remaining three and added to previous value. This way got X as 50.
Adit_ please provide solution for Y. You may DM me if required. Thanks
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What are the equations that you got?

Firstly you have x+2a+3b+4c = 165.
Where x is single items, a is two items, b is three items and c is 4 items.
Why do we get such a large number as 165? Because we double,triple and quadrupe count the items.

What is the minimum?
Minimize the remaining portion:
x+2a = 0 let's say.

Questions asks us to maximize 3b+4c = 165 after all.
What do you do now?
put c = 0 as well and we get b = 55.
Now notice that in a 4 way venn diagram we have 4C3 = 4 three-item overlap.
Meaning 55/4 = 14 lets say, and we just need to confirm if all the 4 courses have more than 14% here as we need to sum the 4 three-item overlaps giving us 55.
So 55 is valid.
But 55 is not in the list, thus 50 is our answer for the max value.

For the least value:
Use the same equation but we have a constaint where x+a+b+c = 100 which is the max value.

Thus when you subtract the two equations you have:
a+2b+3c = 65.
How do you minimize this equation?
Put a+2b as 0.
3c = 65 and c = 22 around and hence our answer.

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Bunuel Would appreciate your inputs on this tricky problem as well.
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I got x as 50, need an explanation for Y

I took the min value of highest 3, subtracted the value from each , then took remaining elements and added the min value common to remaining three and added to previous value. This way got X as 50.
Adit_ please provide solution for Y. You may DM me if required. Thanks
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Hi Sajal193,

Nice work getting X = 50% on your own. For Y, the key is to flip your thinking: instead of spreading overlaps out, you want to cram them into as few students as possible.

Start with the same total you already used:

- Marketing 50 + Finance 25 + Operations 30 + Strategy 60 = 165 memberships across 100 students.

Those 165 "slots" have to land on 100 people. A student counted in 2 or more disciplines is exactly the kind of person who soaks up extra slots. So to minimize how many such people exist, give each of them the maximum load - 4 disciplines each - and let everyone else hold at most 1.

Setting up the bound

Let t = number of students with 2+ concentrations. The most memberships you can possibly cover is:

- 4·t from the heavy students, plus 1·(100 - t) from the rest.

That must reach 165:

4t + (100 - t) ≥ 1653t + 100 ≥ 1653t ≥ 65t ≥ 21.7

Since t must be a whole number, t ≥ 22. You can't dip below 22 - there simply aren't enough "slots per person" to cover 165 otherwise.

Why 22 actually works

The bound is only useful if 22 is reachable. Put 22 students into all four disciplines (that uses 22 of each - fine, since Finance has 25 and Operations has 30 available). That leaves Marketing 28, Finance 3, Operations 8, Strategy 38 = 77 leftover memberships, which you hand out one each to 77 of the remaining 78 students. Everyone outside the 22 now has exactly 1 concentration, so nobody new joins the "2+" group.

Everything balances, so Y = 22%.

The one habit to carry forward: to minimize the overlap count, maximize the load per overlapping student; to maximize it (like your X), you spread thin instead.

Answer: Column 1 (X) = 50%; Column 2 (Y) = 22%

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I got x as 50, need an explanation for Y

I took the min value of highest 3, subtracted the value from each , then took remaining elements and added the min value common to remaining three and added to previous value. This way got X as 50.
Adit_ please provide solution for Y. You may DM me if required. Thanks
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Hi Sajal193,

Nice work getting X = 50% on your own. For Y, the key is to flip your thinking: instead of spreading overlaps out, you want to cram them into as few students as possible.

Start with the same total you already used:

- Marketing 50 + Finance 25 + Operations 30 + Strategy 60 = 165 memberships across 100 students.

Those 165 "slots" have to land on 100 people. A student counted in 2 or more disciplines is exactly the kind of person who soaks up extra slots. So to minimize how many such people exist, give each of them the maximum load - 4 disciplines each - and let everyone else hold at most 1.

Setting up the bound

Let t = number of students with 2+ concentrations. The most memberships you can possibly cover is:

- 4·t from the heavy students, plus 1·(100 - t) from the rest.

That must reach 165:

4t + (100 - t) ≥ 1653t + 100 ≥ 1653t ≥ 65t ≥ 21.7

Since t must be a whole number, t ≥ 22. You can't dip below 22 - there simply aren't enough "slots per person" to cover 165 otherwise.

Why 22 actually works

The bound is only useful if 22 is reachable. Put 22 students into all four disciplines (that uses 22 of each - fine, since Finance has 25 and Operations has 30 available). That leaves Marketing 28, Finance 3, Operations 8, Strategy 38 = 77 leftover memberships, which you hand out one each to 77 of the remaining 78 students. Everyone outside the 22 now has exactly 1 concentration, so nobody new joins the "2+" group.

Everything balances, so Y = 22%.

The one habit to carry forward: to minimize the overlap count, maximize the load per overlapping student; to maximize it (like your X), you spread thin instead.

Answer: Column 1 (X) = 50%; Column 2 (Y) = 22%


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Let n be number of people with concentration in no discipline
x be number of people with one discipline
a be number of people with two disciplines
b with three
c with four

I) To maximise 3 or more disciplines,

Here, it makes sense to put some people in the 'none'/'n' category, so that all the tickets can be distributed amongst people with 3 or more disciplines and in turn maximise it (Otherwise these tickets would've gone to x/a and would've consumed some tickets out of the 165)
The limiting equation becomes x + 2a + 3b + 4c = 165, where x and a should be 0 and even amongst variables contributing to 3 or more disciplines, we can maximise the number of people by giving them 3 tickets each and taking c=0.
Hence, b=55 and the next number available is 50.

II) To minimise 2 or more disciplines,

Here, there's no need to put anything in 'n' since we want to distribute more tickets in other variables to minimise 2 or more.
The limiting equations become x + 2a + 3b + 4c = 165 & x + a + b + c = 100
Which gives us a + 2b + 3c = 65 and we get c~22 on taking a and b as 0.
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