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Hi guys,
I'd like to share with you my experience with the GMAT. I am Italian, 29 years old, and I got a BSc in Business Administration and a MSc in Management, both in Italy (Bocconi University). I have 4 years of work experience in a large manufacturing company, and I'd like to get into MIT Sloan for the MBA program. I have started to study for the GMAT since autumn 2019, working with all the complete guide books from Manhattan Prep and using the GMAT Interact program of the same institution. I put all my simulations tests here with the official attempts underlined:

Date Q V Total
24-Oct 33 32 540
7-Nov 40 35 620
27-Dec 41 36 640
10-Jan 36 36 600
14-Mar 42 34 630
4-Apr 42 33 620
15-May 43 34 630
5-Jun 43 36 650
12-Jun 39 35 610
30-Jul 40 40 660
3-Aug 40 34 610
23-Aug 47 44 740
28-Aug 42 30 590

One important note: the 740 score was "inflated" because I recharged one of the two official simulation that I had taken two months ago, so some questions were familiar to me.

Yesterday I took the GMAT in Switzerland, at San Gallen University (third attempt): the experience at the test center was perfect, better than the previous two past experiences in Milan. Nevertheless, I was able to only score 590 (I obviously canceled it): 30 verbal, 42 quantitative, and 2 integrated reasoning. I was not anxious, but relaxed and calm. At the end of the test I was satisfied, because I was able to finish both verbal and quantitative sections on time (in the previous two exams I was always running, at the end of each section). When I saw the score, especially the verbal score, I was shocked, I couldn't believe it. At this point I really don't know what to do, because I can't understand what I'm doing wrong. I don't know how to plan my preparation anymore. I feel like I am stuck in the low 600, even if I practice every day both quantitative and verbal, putting every wrong answer in my error log, analyzing the question, and redoing it five times after several days and weeks.

Courses used in all this months: The Economist, Manhattan Prep, and a course in Milan held by a GMAT expert.
The investment of money, time, and energy is becoming big, so I really need some advice from you.

Thank you.

Instead of giving full mocks try giving sectional test mocks of quants and verbal separately then figure out your mistakes and weaknesses and then give topic wise mocks
Hope this help.
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Hi guys,
I'd like to share with you my experience with the GMAT. I am Italian, 29 years old, and I got a BSc in Business Administration and a MSc in Management, both in Italy (Bocconi University). I have 4 years of work experience in a large manufacturing company, and I'd like to get into MIT Sloan for the MBA program. I have started to study for the GMAT since autumn 2019, working with all the complete guide books from Manhattan Prep and using the GMAT Interact program of the same institution. I put all my simulations tests here with the official attempts underlined:

Date Q V Total
24-Oct 33 32 540
7-Nov 40 35 620
27-Dec 41 36 640
10-Jan 36 36 600
14-Mar 42 34 630
4-Apr 42 33 620
15-May 43 34 630
5-Jun 43 36 650
12-Jun 39 35 610
30-Jul 40 40 660
3-Aug 40 34 610
23-Aug 47 44 740
28-Aug 42 30 590

One important note: the 740 score was "inflated" because I recharged one of the two official simulation that I had taken two months ago, so some questions were familiar to me.

Yesterday I took the GMAT in Switzerland, at San Gallen University (third attempt): the experience at the test center was perfect, better than the previous two past experiences in Milan. Nevertheless, I was able to only score 590 (I obviously canceled it): 30 verbal, 42 quantitative, and 2 integrated reasoning. I was not anxious, but relaxed and calm. At the end of the test I was satisfied, because I was able to finish both verbal and quantitative sections on time (in the previous two exams I was always running, at the end of each section). When I saw the score, especially the verbal score, I was shocked, I couldn't believe it. At this point I really don't know what to do, because I can't understand what I'm doing wrong. I don't know how to plan my preparation anymore. I feel like I am stuck in the low 600, even if I practice every day both quantitative and verbal, putting every wrong answer in my error log, analyzing the question, and redoing it five times after several days and weeks.

Courses used in all this months: The Economist, Manhattan Prep, and a course in Milan held by a GMAT expert.
The investment of money, time, and energy is becoming big, so I really need some advice from you.

Thank you.

Instead of giving full mocks try giving sectional test mocks of quants and verbal separately then figure out your mistakes and weaknesses and then give topic wise mocks
Hope this help.

I already do that, but I also complete full mocks every month to be prepared for the complete exam (timing, stamina, etc.). Anyway thank you for your reply.
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Hi massimassi.

590 is a little on the low side for you, but not totally surprising, since your practice test scores have been in the 600s. So, if your score goal is in the 700s, you should probably hold off taking the GMAT again until it's pretty clear that you are ready to score in the 700s.

Regarding how to hit your score goal, for quant you have to be confident in all areas to consistently score in the upper 40s. To get to that point, you need to go back and master quant topics one by one, first reviewing the concepts involved in a topic and then answering dozens of quant question involving that topic until you practice can't them wrong and generally can get 15 or more correct in a row. When you can get 15 hard questions correct in a row for every quant topic, you'll be ready for quant.

See this post for more on getting questions correct in streaks. https://gmatclub.com/forum/gmat-practic ... 56936.html

For verbal, see this post for a detailed treatment of How to Score High on GMAT Verbal.
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Hi massimassi,

To start, since you are interested in at least one highly-competitive School, you would likely find it beneficial to speak with an Admissions Expert about your overall profile and plans. Those Experts should be able to answer your Admissions questions (including the type of GMAT Score that you might 'need' to be considered a competitive Applicant) and help define the specific areas of your profile that could use some improvement. There's a Forum full of those Experts here:

https://gmatclub.com/forum/ask-admissio ... tants-124/

GMAC has publicly stated that the Official Score that you earn on Test Day is within +/- 30 points of actual ability. Assuming a similar 'swing' in how your CATs function, most of your CAT score results - along with your 3 Official Scores - show that you essentially performed the same each time (about 620 +/- a few points). You handle certain aspects of the GMAT consistently well, but you also make certain consistent mistakes. Since you've been scoring at this level for some time, it's likely that you developed some 'bad habits' from your earlier studies that are keeping you from scoring higher.

Before I can offer you the specific advice that you’re looking for, it would help if you could provide a bit more information on how you've been studying and your goals:

1) Over the last 3 months, how many hours did you typically study each week?
2) What is your overall goal score?
3) When are you planning to apply to Business School?

Since you took this recent Official GMAT at a Test Center, you might also choose to purchase the Enhanced Score Report. While the ESR doesn’t provide a lot of information, there are usually a few data points that we can use to define what went wrong on Test Day (and what you should work on to score higher). If you purchase the ESR, then I'll be happy to analyze it for you.

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Hi massimassi.

590 is a little on the low side for you, but not totally surprising, since your practice test scores have been in the 600s. So, if your score goal is in the 700s, you should probably hold off taking the GMAT again until it's pretty clear that you are ready to score in the 700s.

Regarding how to hit your score goal, for quant you have to be confident in all areas to consistently score in the upper 40s. To get to that point, you need to go back and master quant topics one by one, first reviewing the concepts involved in a topic and then answering dozens of quant question involving that topic until you practice can't them wrong and generally can get 15 or more correct in a row. When you can get 15 hard questions correct in a row for every quant topic, you'll be ready for quant.

See this post for more on getting questions correct in streaks. https://gmatclub.com/forum/gmat-practic ... 56936.html

For verbal, see this post for a detailed treatment of How to Score High on GMAT Verbal.

Hi Marty,
thank you for your response, I've just read your articles and I found them extremely interesting. After reflecting about what you have written, I think that the main reason that does not allow me to increase my score is the following: I've done a lot of practice, but I haven't done linear practice, topic by topic. Manhattan prep is good, but they don't provide a platform in which they structure the practice topic by topic. I've completed the GMAT Interact course, with all the video lessons, but the problem is that I have to build my own practice questions series topic by topic, and the OG guide does not divide practice questions by topic (for example for CR on Wiley Efficient Learning Website, I can only choose between Analysis/Critique and Construciton/Plan): I believe that this is an inefficient way to proceed. What do you suggest? Where can I practice in the exact way described by your posts?

Thank you.
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Hey massimassi,

It might feel terrible to not be able to see the desired result even after you put in a lot of effort. But dont worry. I too kind of am in the same boat and looking at your score, I realize that you are lagging behind in quant which is pulling your score down. Your verbal is above average and I would recommend that you keep hold of your current verbal by regular practice but try to strengthen your fundamentals in quant.

I am no verbal expert but I can share some wisdom on quant. One thing in quant is that it is after all about formulas and rules. Once you ace them, you are good to go.

So start with fundamentals and keep revising them before you attack any question. You must realize that your scores are definitely reflective of your practice tests. ( +- 30 is common ) so always aim for your target score +30 on your practice tests.

As you are saying that you were able to finish on time but your scores are low so that means your accuracy is less than what is required. So start practicing each topic separately and analyze what are your weak areas and strong areas and how are the accuracies moving with each practice session.

This way you will learn the tips and tricks and see the hidden patterns in the question types and realize not every question has to be treated differently. After all it's a standardized test.

note down what all patterns you are able to notice and keep revising them regularly so that you get mechanical next time you see a similar pattern in a question.

But remember the official content is very limited so utilize it religiously. There is no point in taking 100 mocks till you are not strong with fundamentals. You need not solve 100 problems to learn a concept. You can solve a problem in 10 different ways and still learn most of the concepts.

Lastly, it maybe the case that you are falling for the trap answer choices so every time you judge an answer choice start double checking whether you have missed any loop holes. You can apply substitution method for many PS questions, you can practice elimination strategies. So keep all of this in mind and think whether you are really able to apply all these concepts or not.

Also there is also GRE if you are targeting for an MBA, GMAT is not the only exam so keep an open mind and validate other options as well. As I heard GRE quant is easier. So might as well look into it.

AS you are targeting SLOAN which is a highly competitive program and you need a score of 730+ at least in my opinion (I am no expert so verify with an expert on what should be your target score for the respective university, given your background).

So your aim should be 750+ in mocks so that you reach your target score in the test. Do not write the exam till you reach our mock target coz you are just wasting your attempts otherwise.

So take time introspect what is wrong and restart your journey.
Good luck!! I am sure you will rock it this time!!

Thank you sahiba96 for your words. I will try to reset my mindset, because in this moment I'm frustrated by this situation. I already tried to do what you have written in your post, but apparently I did not work in the right way. I have to try to understand what kind of routine daily practice I need to increase my score, because if there is something that I have learnt from this negative experience is that "quantity is not quality" or, if you prefer, "less is more". Do you have any advice on the material? I have all the Manhattan books, which I think they are sufficient, and both the OG2020 and OG2021.



Hey buddy!!

Gmatclub page has a section called FORUM on top left
go to FORUM and you will see the options as below:

GMAT Quantitative
DS
PS
GMAT Verbal
CR
RC
SC


choose any topic (for example: CR ) and you will be redirect to this link : https://gmatclub.com/forum/critical-rea ... 9/?fl=menu

check out the filters and select topics, source & difficulty level that you want to practice.

you will get all questions tagged under the filters you selected.

I personally found it very useful to validate topic wise performance.

stick to official sources and if you run out of content, practice from other sources.

One thing to remember is leave out gmat prep questions to the end( till you reach desired accuracies in practice sessions). you better tackle them directly in mocks to access your performance in an unbiased way. otherwise you might end up remembering answers and get inflated scores.

good luck!!
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Hi Marty,
thank you for your response, I've just read your articles and I found them extremely interesting. After reflecting about what you have written, I think that the main reason that does not allow me to increase my score is the following: I've done a lot of practice, but I haven't done linear practice, topic by topic. Manhattan prep is good, but they don't provide a platform in which they structure the practice topic by topic. I've completed the GMAT Interact course, with all the video lessons, but the problem is that I have to build my own practice questions series topic by topic, and the OG guide does not divide practice questions by topic (for example for CR on Wiley Efficient Learning Website, I can only choose between Analysis/Critique and Construciton/Plan): I believe that this is an inefficient way to proceed. What do you suggest? Where can I practice in the exact way described by your posts?

Thank you.
Good insight. You're sure to hit your score goal by doing topic by topic practice.

One source of categorized GMAT questions is the Target Test Prep GMAT course, which has over 3000 categorized GMAT quant practice questions and over 1000 GMAT verbal practice questions.
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