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650 (Q : 47 , V:33) .. [#permalink] New post   20 Sep 2009, 07:22
My Debrief ( although not very interesting..just writing to make u guys, who have helped me enormously, aware of the new changes in pattern of GMAT) .....

Ist attempt : Preparation around 4 months..(mainly on Sat ..n Sun)

Scores : MGMAT1 : 620 ( Q : 46, V: 30)
GMATPREP1 : 650 ( Q : 48, V: 31)
GMATPREP1 : 690 ( Q : 49, V: 34)

Actual : 660 ( Q: 49, V:32)

IInd attempt : Preparation around 4 months(intense)....

Scores : GMATPREP1 : 710 ( Q : 48, V: 39)
GMATPREP2 : 690 ( Q : 50, V: 34)
GMATPREP3 : 750 ( Q : 50, V: 41)
GMATPREP4 : 700 ( Q : 50, V: 34)
GMATPREP5 : 730 ( Q : 50, V: 39)
GMATPREP6 : 740 ( Q : 51, V: 38)

Actual : 650 (Q : 47, V:33)
GMAT has changed
Exam Day : Appointment : 3:00 18 Sep

Reached there 30 min before.

Center Condition : Some construction work is going on the floor above Peasron's Office(Mumbai)....so noise is very heavy...defiintely enough to distract you..n that to for all 4:30 hrs...although they given us ear plugs ..it was of no use.....imagine someone is beating hammer ..how just a ear plug can prevent it... ....Even though I don't knw how much it affected my performance...I am not satifised with the facility...GMAT fees is 250$..so we definitely expect good test environment...

Read the GMAC rules and policy document.The guy there told us about what to do..and what not to....

Imp Instruction :Break Interval has changed...from 10 min to 8 min....
Also now u will have 2 min (from 10 min earlier to decide that u want to report or cancel thy scores..)

So those were the signals enough to understand that GMAT has changed..

AWA : As usual one argument and other issue...

Quanta : Now this section surprised me completely....I am good at quanta (though not excellent) but the question completely stumped me....

Number of DS question has increased(at least I think)...I statred off well...n upto 4 question there were not much difficulty..from there on...the real question start coming....in a row there were some 7-8 DS question..n it is here I got entangled....I thought whew...GMAT is now unpredictable...

The main problem with DS question was that they are lenghty...u have to read atleast three line of question....n that too with confusing statement ..n then there will be two option one line each.....so u knw it was killing lot of time to understand the question.......

Surely GMAT has raised Qunata standard...(I can say boz I have experince form my previous exam 6 month back).....there were not any simple question (except 1 or 2)......

Topics concentration also has changed little bit ..as far as I remeber it covered following topic mainly.....Weigthed average,3 set problem involving
maxium values, sequence , geometry with 3-d figure ...n all other

So as the time constraint is there...I was just guessing(smartly) the DS questions....I was expecting that I would land on 44..but somehow I managed 47....the most imp thing I want to share is I think I was ill prepeared for such question as I hoped GMAT math is easy....n I was sure that they will repeat the pattern....but that was not the case surely the difficulty is much beyond GMAT Prep...


Intermission : 8 min..now that too small even to eat choclate...I don't know why the hell they chanegd from 10 to 8 min...



VA : VA too has chanegd ...the most I can notice in critical reasoning question.....there were jsut 1 assumption...1 weaken,three discrepancy , n three question of type..which is best to know in order to evaluate the argument.....4 passage, n usual SC.....

Learnings : GMAT has changed ....so can't rely fully on GMAT Prep..especially repeaters like me....bcoz u r going to c somewhat changed pattern.....the questions were also ordered in quite a different way as to GMAT Prep....


My verbal score could be little higher..but my mind had start thinking that I messed up with Quanta..so yup kind of 2 marks less for me in Verbal....
I guess the changed format screwed me..after a hard work of 4 month(esp in Verbal) ..I landed up with 10 mark less....

Should I go for a retake??

That's all from my side......
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Re: 650 (Q : 47 , V:33) .. [#permalink] New post   Updated on: 20 Sep 2009, 21:20
bump! did you do gmat club tests?
Also, I guess you have taken so many gmatprep repeats, if i am not wrong...so ur practice scores can be inflated too..if it is the case then you definitely have scope of improvement and if you practice a bit harder with variety of problems then you can breach the 700 mark...

though i would be interested in your prep material....so that we can discuss what went wrong and others can avoid doing that..arriving at the conclusion that gmat pattern has changed or the test is harder would be premature :)

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Re: 650 (Q : 47 , V:33) .. [#permalink] New post   20 Sep 2009, 21:08
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wow, very interesting, so your score actually went down after the first attempt.

I think the retake question should be
- do you feel that you missed anything in your prep and can correct it?
- do you have time?
- do you have $700 for a class? (would not recommend self-study at this stage any more)
- How critical is it to have 700 or 720?

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Re: 650 (Q : 47 , V:33) .. [#permalink] New post   Updated on: 21 Sep 2009, 08:09
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bump! did you do gmat club tests?
Also, I guess you have taken so many gmatprep repeats, if i am not wrong...so ur practice scores can be inflated too..if it is the case then you definitely have scope of improvement and if you practice a bit harder with variety of problems then you can breach the 700 mark...

though i would be interested in your prep material....so that we can discuss what went wrong and others can avoid doing that..arriving at the conclusion that gmat pattern has changed or the test is harder would be premature :)


I acccept my scores are inflated in GMAT Prep...but being an IT engineer/India my Quantative skills are good.Also I have scored 49 in 1st attempt so I was sure that I will again reach at 49...actually I messed up with 2-3 question at the begging of test...n I wasted a lot of time there....

Actually I am saying that Paper pattern( more precisely weightage) has changed.I have posted the same debrief in other forum also and after reading that someone told me that the changes I have mentioned are there in OG 12.

I went threw the Analysis of OG12 in Manhattan n there it was mentioned that new OG 12 has more problem in DS and less in PS....Manhattan guys also said that there may be some more question on DS in actual exam...but they are not sure now... I also felt the same ...as compared to my previous attempt there were more DS questuion than PS(3-4 more I think)..n I genreally take more time in DS than PS.

In CR also the type of questions has changed ..I came mainly with discerpancy n "Which will be best ot Know in order to evlauate the arguement" ...n it is also in accordance with new OG12...they have added such question now in new book....

So I am not sure abot difficulty(In Qunata..it has increased) but pattern n type of question has changed little bit I can say...may be I m wrong....

The books I have used are : OG11,OG10
Manhattan SC(OLD ONE)..I was very weak in SC-infact I don't knw what is phrase n what is clause...so I spent most of time in improving SC- forums..n other website..mainly...I think SC I have improved quite a lot...
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Nothing for RC...I am good at RC(not excellent)..genreally out of 13-15 question I make 3 mistake...so I don't know where to improve..as my reading speed is good...

I also didn't worked much on Maths except for OG,test n solving forum question..but last time also I also didn't prepared much for maths...


Should solving OG12 ...n OG Verbal n quant supplement make some difference???

Originally posted by age on 21 Sep 2009, 02:13.
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Re: 650 (Q : 47 , V:33) .. [#permalink] New post   Updated on: 21 Sep 2009, 08:14
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wow, very interesting, so your score actually went down after the first attempt.

I think the retake question should be
- do you feel that you missed anything in your prep and can correct it?...yup I have not prepared for Quanta..but in my previous attmept also I didn't....but I think I won't be able to reach too far in Verbal...already I have put lot of effort there...n don't know where to head know...-
-do you have time?...well I am thinking to aplly in second round..n if a 700 score can take me to LBS/INSEAD :) then I am reaady to wait even for a year....
- do you have $700 for a class? (would not recommend self-study at this stage any more....very frankly no..I am Indian an 700$ is huge amount of money for me :lol: ....n more than that I live in Mumbai,India n there are not very good classes avilable here..
- How critical is it to have 700 or 720?....well this question I was thinking to pose before u...I have very good acads(degree read "Ist Class with distinction") for European business school its sufficient...I don't knw how to convert it into GPA...plz tell if u knw :idea: ...n very less extra curricular..but I also fall in most difficult pool Indian/IT/3+year..exp....so what matter more ..I mean I if learn other language..join an NGO or score higher...

DO adcom take it negatively if I join NGO....just before the programme...
Planning to do an MBA from Asia/Europe(UK)..In Europe admission happens little late compare to US ...so I think, I have some time

Also how adcom think about 3 attempt..I mean they take it positively or negatively(if ur not able to score higher even in third attempt)

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Re: 650 (Q : 47 , V:33) .. [#permalink] New post   21 Sep 2009, 05:33
Age,

I am an expert by no means. But if crossing 700 is your goal, looking at your post, all you need is a few points bump up in V.
Yes, its easier said than done but surely possible.

If i am not wrong, the new verbal supplement is out or will be out soon. Maybe you should grab it.
For CR, try going through the CR Power score Bible. It has neat tricks for all kind of questions.
For SC, i would highly recommend the Gmat Prep SC compilation floating around in the forum.

Hope this helps.
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Re: 650 (Q : 47 , V:33) .. [#permalink] New post   21 Sep 2009, 07:54
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Age,

I am an expert by no means. But if crossing 700 is your goal, looking at your post, all you need is a few points bump up in V.
Yes, its easier said than done but surely possible.

If i am not wrong, the new verbal supplement is out or will be out soon. Maybe you should grab it.
For CR, try going through the CR Power score Bible. It has neat tricks for all kind of questions.
For SC, i would highly recommend the Gmat Prep SC compilation floating around in the forum.

Hope this helps.
Cheers!


Thanks...sniper trader....but I have already done with CR Power Score Bible & GMAT Prep S compilation.....but surely I haven't touched Verbal Supplement and OG12...so may be I look in to them...but still I m unsure about my third attempt...I think taking the help of consultants would be good idea...I think they will be able to guide me how far I can go with 660.....
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Re: 650 (Q : 47 , V:33) .. [#permalink] New post   21 Sep 2009, 10:49
sorry..hope you do well next time..
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Re: 650 (Q : 47 , V:33) .. [#permalink] New post   21 Sep 2009, 10:57
that sucks that they are making the test harder and harder...specially if someone scored 750 4 years ago and you scored 700 now and are competing for the same school...
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