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# 710 - Q48 - V39 - to retake or not?

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710 - Q48 - V39 - to retake or not? [#permalink]

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11 Aug 2008, 14:04
So I finally took the gmat. It's good to be part of the 700 club, but at this point I am thinking of re-taking the test.
I did not deal very well with the pressure. I spent 6 minutes + to solve the first quant question. The 1st one is an average difficulty question and should be okay to solved if well prepared. My calculations gave me a crazy result, so I re-started from scratch. Another crazy result and I started to sweat and panick a bit. Eventually, I solved it, but that was a bad start: confidence undermined and trying to catch up the wasted time.
The rest of the quant wasn't great: I feared I was actually bombing the gmat.

I did not feel comfortable, maybe because of the interface: I could only take one gmatprep test (it does not run for some reason on my machine) 3 weeks ago. That feeling reminded me another event from last month. I swim (well enough) on a regular basis in a swimming pool, and took part in a race in the sea. The race was my first time swimming in the sea. The first minutes were as if I couldn't swim anymore: cold seawater, waves, strange feeling from the wetsuit. I needed time to adjust. The gmat was the same: I felt at ease only from the Verbal section.

So, I wasn't really in control and probably could have done better. Walker (I believed) mentioned something about switching to "video game mode". I need to learn how to do that if I re-take.
Types of questions: several overlapping sets (3 I believe), geometry questions (equations of lines), only 1 probability question and no combination/permutation. So here's the proof that you can score in the 700s without mastering proba/combi/permut.

Verbal felt better, but I did not want to be catching up this time. However, I went so fast at the beginning that I forced myself to slow down about halfway through the questions, but still finished with 10 minutes to spare. The Verbal difficulty was similar to the OG's. 2 sciences passage and a business passage. Again, timing could be better and I wasn't really in control of the test.

I probably do not approach questions the right way: I tend to be very fast. Therefore I often miss a detail (such as missing "if x and y are positive") or need to do and re-do calculations (because they aren't right the first time).When the score was to appear, I expected a low 700's or possibly a 680-690. I was relieved with a 710.

710 is decent, but what's next? I have done and re-done many, many questions: OGs, several paper tests, one gmat prep (710), one powerprep (740) and 1,100 questions from gmat hacks. I keep an error log and feel comfortable with solving 98% of them. So, I had hoped to score a bit higher.

I'd like to re-take, but R1 are in just two months and I haven't started my essays. Btw, I also need to take the Toefl. However, improving my timing and changing the way I approach question (reducing stress, slowing down and moving to "video game" mode) might not take very much time.

What do you guys think?

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11 Aug 2008, 14:15
Great score!! This should get you into the business schools you want.

Could you post your practice test scores. Its a relief to know Verbal is in line with GmatPrep and OG ( am I right?).

Thanks.

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11 Aug 2008, 14:23
I think your time is better spent working on your essays unless you think you could take the test again with very little additional preperation in a month and increase by 30-40 points.

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11 Aug 2008, 14:24
mba9now wrote:
Great score!! This should get you into the business schools you want.

Could you post your practice test scores. Its a relief to know Verbal is in line with GmatPrep and OG ( am I right?).

Thanks.

You're right. My Verbal score is in line with GmatPrep/PowerPrep.

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11 Aug 2008, 14:35
terp26 wrote:
I think your time is better spent working on your essays unless you think you could take the test again with very little additional preperation in a month and increase by 30-40 points.

That's the question.

Maybe I can take gmatprep 2, which I've never tried. If I score 740+, I will reschedule another real test. If I don't, I'll forget about the re-take.

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11 Aug 2008, 21:17
You've got it, man. It's all mental.

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12 Aug 2008, 07:22
Congrats for a fabulous score. This score is good enough to take you any business school. I would suggest you focus on your essay part and try to have some good extracurricular activities. I think those count more than 10 or 20 points more in GMAT. And yes you should be clear in your mind which bschool you would be applying and if you are in their median range then GMAT score is not much help after a certain stage of selection process.
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12 Aug 2008, 10:56
Congrats! Good score!
You may send your score, finish your essays and retake if you feel that you can better. Why not? At the same time I think that essays are more important than 20-30 points in GMAT.

Anyway, you can ask me any questions if you decide to retake

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Re: 710 - Q48 - V39 - to retake or not? edit: AWA 3.5 lol [#permalink]

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26 Aug 2008, 01:30
AWA: 3.5

I knew that AWA wasn't good, but I'm surprised with that 3.5.

13% percentile

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Re: 710 - Q48 - V39 - to retake or not? edit: AWA 3.5 lol [#permalink]

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26 Aug 2008, 02:17
lumone wrote:
AWA: 3.5

I knew that AWA wasn't good, but I'm surprised with that 3.5.

13% percentile

I still can't believe it.

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26 Aug 2008, 07:09
Guys, does AWA percentile really matters too much? what range is generally do for top 10 business schools?

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28 Aug 2008, 03:37
This is just going from bad to worse.

I have just found out that schools can see your essays. And I took an unethical point of view in one of my essay.

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29 Aug 2008, 05:06
Deep breaths - you have a great score, be happy!
Now if you plan to apply for Round 1, I would say don't take it. If you plan to apply for Round 2, sure, give it another shot.

I wouldn't worry about the unethical point of view too much - the point of the issue and argument essays is to prove that you can structure an argument or opinion efficiently and successfully. Think of it like debate class, sometimes arguing for something unethical or unpopular is needed in order to understand the ethical point of view.

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29 Aug 2008, 09:41
Schools can see your essays? I don't even remember what the topics were.

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29 Aug 2008, 10:27
Tarmac wrote:
Schools can see your essays? I don't even remember what the topics were.

I got the info from Gmat Hacks

http://www.gmathacks.com/gmat-awa/all-a ... t-awa.html

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29 Aug 2008, 16:24
AFAIK, schools may choose to see your essays&photo. Or may not. This depends on the school, I guess. And not all schools care for AWA at all. Some do, however.
So, Lumone, if you believe that you did better than 3.5, you may consider to apply for rescoring. It would be a pity to retake just because of the AWA...

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29 Aug 2008, 17:49
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AFAIK, schools may choose to see your essays&photo. Or may not. This depends on the school, I guess. And not all schools care for AWA at all. Some do, however.
So, Lumone, if you believe that you did better than 3.5, you may consider to apply for rescoring. It would be a pity to retake just because of the AWA...

Apply for rescoring? never heard of that, can you please tell in more details?

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29 Aug 2008, 18:33
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Apply for rescoring? never heard of that, can you please tell in more details?

Here is the link with details:

http://www.mba.com/mba/TaketheGMAT/TheE ... ervice.htm

Only AWA can be rescored. Rescoring service costs \$45. Also, there's no guarantee. Your score may even become lower...

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03 Sep 2008, 07:56
I have added a poll that will run for a week.

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05 Sep 2008, 08:28
lumone wrote:
This is just going from bad to worse.

I have just found out that schools can see your essays. And I took an unethical point of view in one of my essay.

lumone, you're kidding. "unethical point of view" - AWA is just an exercise I read the blog of one guy who had AWA3.0 and went to HBS (also accepted by Chicago & Wharton). Actually he graduated this spring. So that stop worring and make your essays. Good luck!!!

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