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J Allen, I certainly agree with you. I'll go ahead and quote kryzak: "The UG you went to is only one factor, but not the be-all and end-all of getting into a top-15 school."
But I am confused about something else you've written. You mention larger universities and "Huge U" several times. Are you referring to top-ranked private schools or large state universities? I'm not quite clear. Most of the top-ranked schools aren't that big. If you take a look at the US News top 10 and throw out Penn (9710 undergrads) and Caltech (864 undergrads), the total undergrad population of each school ranges between 4000 and 6000 students. Is that really so big?
But I am confused about something else you've written. You mention larger universities and "Huge U" several times. Are you referring to top-ranked private schools or large state universities? I'm not quite clear. Most of the top-ranked schools aren't that big. If you take a look at the US News top 10 and throw out Penn (9710 undergrads) and Caltech (864 undergrads), the total undergrad population of each school ranges between 4000 and 6000 students. Is that really so big?
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"big" is relative. I went to a private UG school that had about 400 - 500 people max, so 6,000 to me does seem big. But in terms of applying to b-school, no, it's not that big.
My point is that I think which UG has less to do with admission to b-school than how well you do while there. I would like to see the % admission for some of those top UG school. This would help the argument made by another poster that those top schools are going to be more selective to begin with, so the pool of students will be more talented and more likely of success from the beginning.
I think a good experience at pretty much any UG institution is going to say something about the applicant. Even if it is a "party" school or somewhere not known for strong academics, if that person comes out with a BS in Engineering and had a 3.8 GPA, and tons of extra cirricular activities, the adcoms are going to see that this person was active and a leader. That is what I believe adcoms are interested in.
It's not so much where you went, but what did you do while you were there? If you had no interest in making your UG community a better place because you went there, how are you going to make our b-school a better place because of your attendance?
Most successful people are successful because it's something inside them. I've seen plenty of people born with a silver spoon and handfuls of opportunity only to accomplish nothing. Adcoms want to find the people that succeed and do so regardless of circumstances or obstacles. That is why the essays, work experience, and leadership roles are so important.
My point is that I think which UG has less to do with admission to b-school than how well you do while there. I would like to see the % admission for some of those top UG school. This would help the argument made by another poster that those top schools are going to be more selective to begin with, so the pool of students will be more talented and more likely of success from the beginning.
I think a good experience at pretty much any UG institution is going to say something about the applicant. Even if it is a "party" school or somewhere not known for strong academics, if that person comes out with a BS in Engineering and had a 3.8 GPA, and tons of extra cirricular activities, the adcoms are going to see that this person was active and a leader. That is what I believe adcoms are interested in.
It's not so much where you went, but what did you do while you were there? If you had no interest in making your UG community a better place because you went there, how are you going to make our b-school a better place because of your attendance?
Most successful people are successful because it's something inside them. I've seen plenty of people born with a silver spoon and handfuls of opportunity only to accomplish nothing. Adcoms want to find the people that succeed and do so regardless of circumstances or obstacles. That is why the essays, work experience, and leadership roles are so important.
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First, I certainly agree with most of what you've said. Adcoms are definitely looking at what you've done no matter where you've gone for undergrad. And success doesn't derive solely from the name of the institution on your diploma.
With respect to admission rates from each undergrad school... that specific information can't be found, as B-schools don't release it. Looking at the number of students from each undergrad at a given school does give a reasonable proxy. I'm not about to go through the facebook groups for H, S, and W. I can tell you, though, that a quick review of the Stanford group shows a _lot_ of "alum" listings for Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Penn, and MIT among others. I would assume the same representation could be found at HBS and Wharton. Either students from these undergrads get into B-school at a relatively high rate, or a substantially higher number apply to B-school in the first place. I don't think the latter reason can account for the entire discrepancy.
I'm not saying that it's impossible to get into H or S or W (or any other top B-school) if you didn't attend a top undergrad. Far from it, there are great counter-examples in this discussion thread alone. I'm just saying that attending a top undergrad will on the whole make the experience easier.
Well, not entirely . . .
... I didn't know which school was good which was not, so I ended up at a school that gave me the most money 
