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What was your score break-up?


What do you mean by score break-up ?

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Hi matteo7,

First off, a 710 is an outstanding Score, so unless there are any issues with your Quant Scaled Score or Overall profile, you should be able to comfortably apply to any Business Schools that interest you. As such, a retest is probably not necessary. Depending on the Schools that you plan to apply to, you would likely find it beneficial to speak with an Admissions Expert about your overall profile. Those Experts should be able to answer your Admissions questions and help define the specific areas of your profile that could use some improvement. There's a Forum full of those Experts here:

https://gmatclub.com/forum/ask-admissio ... tants-124/

If you do choose to retest though, then it would help if you could provide a bit more information on how you've been studying and your goals:

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1) What were your Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores on your first attempt? Did you take the GMAT just once?
2) How recently did you restart your studies? How many hours do you typically study each week?
3) Have you taken any practice CATs/mocks yet? If you did, then how did you score on EACH (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for EACH)?

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4) What is your overall goal score?
5) When are you planning to apply to Business School and what Schools are you planning to apply to?

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You got all the best and highly recommended resources out there. You may want to try to analyze your error logs first and improve on certain areas before solving more problems. As they say, Quality over quantity. You can then move to the official questions especially in the verbal section.

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Hi matteo7,

First off, an outstanding Score, so unless there are any issues with your Quant Scaled Score or Overall profile, you should be able to comfortably apply to any Business Schools that interest you. As such, a retest is probably not necessary. Depending on the Schools that you plan to apply to, you would likely find it beneficial to speak with an Admissions Expert about your overall profile. Those Experts should be able to answer your Admissions questions and help define the specific areas of your profile that could use some improvement. There's a Forum full of those Experts here:


If you do choose to retest though, then it would help if you could provide a bit more information on how you've been studying and your goals:

Studies:
1) What were your Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores on your first attempt? Did you take the GMAT just once?
2) How recently did you restart your studies? How many hours do you typically study each week?
3) Have you taken any practice CATs/mocks yet? If you did, then how did you score on EACH (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for EACH)?

Goals:
4) What is your overall goal score?
5) When are you planning to apply to Business School and what Schools are you planning to apply to?

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Thank you very much for your helpful and detailed answer!

My answers to your specific questions are the following:
1) This was my first and only attempt, on 26th July 2018, with a total 710(90%0, a V38 (85%), a Q49 (74%), an AWA 5.0 (53%) and an IR 7 (82%). This took me 22 days of preparation from the initial date when a took the GMAC Practice test 1, which was 640, V33 and Q46.
2) I have not started preparing yet. I am seriously looking at the possibility of retaking the GMAT
3) Nope

4) I would want to target to a 740+ score
5) Having said that, My target would be to apply for a top-10 business school for 2023 (this is when I would have the required experience)
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Hi matteo7,

Focusing on the GMAT now - far in advance of when you will actually 'need' your Score - is a smart choice. With that 710/Q49, you will be able to comfortably apply to any Business Schools that interest you - so assuming that the rest of your Overall profile is fine - then a retest is probably not necessary. There's no harm in continuing to train for the GMAT, but there are some details worth considering as you continue to study:

First, many GMATers spend 3 months (or more) of consistent study time before they hit their 'peak' scores, so if you studied just 22 days before your first attempt, then there are likely a number of 'little aspects' to the Exam that you never properly learned or trained for (meaning that this next phase of your studies might take longer than you expect - since we cannot take for granted that you have 'mastered' any specific areas just yet). Second, it's been over 3 months since you took the GMAT, so some of your 'GMAT skills' may have faded over time. Third, if you have not taken a suitable number of practice CATs yet, it's not clear how your Official Score is indicative of your actual ability level (meaning you may have gotten a bit lucky or unlucky when you took the Official GMAT the first time).

Since you are not facing any immediate application deadlines, you could certain start using some of the study materials that you have assembled and we can track how well they are helping you to improve (by assessing your CAT/mock Scores at regular intervals). You might also choose to purchase the Enhanced Score Report for your first Official GMAT. While the ESR doesn’t provide a lot of information, there are usually a few data points that we can use to define what went wrong on Test Day (and what you should work on to score higher). If you purchase the ESR, then I'll be happy to analyze it for you.

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Hi matteo7,

Focusing on the GMAT now - far in advance of when you will actually 'need' your Score - is a smart choice. With that 710/Q49, you will be able to comfortably apply to any Business Schools that interest you - so assuming that the rest of your Overall profile is fine - then a retest is probably not necessary. There's no harm in continuing to train for the GMAT, but there are some details worth considering as you continue to study:

First, many GMATers spend 3 months (or more) of consistent study time before they hit their 'peak' scores, so if you studied just 22 days before your first attempt, then there are likely a number of 'little aspects' to the Exam that you never properly learned or trained for (meaning that this next phase of your studies might take longer than you expect - since we cannot take for granted that you have 'mastered' any specific areas just yet). Second, it's been over 3 months since you took the GMAT, so some of your 'GMAT skills' may have faded over time. Third, if you have not taken a suitable number of practice CATs yet, it's not clear how your Official Score is indicative of your actual ability level (meaning you may have gotten a bit lucky or unlucky when you took the Official GMAT the first time).

Since you are not facing any immediate application deadlines, you could certain start using some of the study materials that you have assembled and we can track how well they are helping you to improve (by assessing your CAT/mock Scores at regular intervals). You might also choose to purchase the Enhanced Score Report for your first Official GMAT. While the ESR doesn’t provide a lot of information, there are usually a few data points that we can use to define what went wrong on Test Day (and what you should work on to score higher). If you purchase the ESR, then I'll be happy to analyze it for you.

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Hi Rich,

Thank you very much for your helpful answers!

My plan is to follow a more structured preparation this time. So, I have the following roadmap in my mind:

1) For the 1st month, I would like to focus on refreshing my Verbal knowledge from the very basics. I am not a native English speaker and I want to cover everything from the beginning. Foundations of GMAT Verbal would be good to start with and then speed up with other Materials. At the same time, I would use some of the Veritas Math Material.

2) For the 2nd month, I would follow the Manhattan Strategy Guides along with the Official ones. 4 weeks of this from start to end. 2-3 CATs for this month

3) For the 3rd month, I would also go through the PowerScore guides and the rest of Veritas guides. This is where I would start doing more CATs.

4) For the 4th month, I would have all the strategies that would work for me and then, I'm gonna focus on getting sharp and ready for the exam. So, CATs and constant review of my Error Log

I have already purchased my ESR and my Reading score was bad. From then, I have read a lot of books in English (more than 15) and I will continue in order to be able to digest texts faster.


I would like your opinion on this, more holistic possible approach to preparation.

Thanks in advance,
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In addition to advice regarding materials, do you also want some general advice on how to improve your GMAT quant and verbal skills?



Hello,

thank you very much for your answer!

Yeap, I think that both would be very helpful!
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At this point, it would be a good idea to better define your current skills, strengths and weaknesses - so you should plan to take a NEW CAT/mock sometime soon (perhaps this weekend). If you are thinking about taking the At-home version of the GMAT (as opposed to retaking your Exam at a Test Center), then it is worth noting that the 'format' of the At-home Test is fixed (Quant, then Verbal - with no break in-between, then an optional 5-minute break, then IR). Having to take Quant and Verbal in one sitting is challenging for many GMATers (especially if you've been taking your CATs with an 8-minute break between sections). If you want to take the At-home GMAT, then you will have to be really rigorous about how you take your CATs going forward (and take them in the exact same fashion in which you will have to take the At-home GMAT). Once you have Score, you should post back here (or you can feel free to PM me directly) and we can discuss the results and how you might adjust your studies going forward.

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Hello,

I took the GMAT on July 2018 and scored a 710. However, I am planning to retake it as I my priorities have changed and I want a better score.

I currently have the following guides that I've purchased over the last 2-3 months:

All of the MGMAT guides - 6th Edition
MGMAT Integrated Reasoning & Essay - 7th Edition
MGMAT Advanced Quant
All of the Veritas Prep guides
The 3 PowerScore guides (SC, RC, CR)
The Complete Sentence Correction Guide from Erica L. Meltzer
GMAT Official Advanced Questions

I will also buy the new official guide or guides (all 3 of them) in case I will have to start my preparation.

I would like to ask for any suggestion for guys that have used any of those guides in parallel. What worked best for you and what not?

Thanks everyone in advance.



Hi Matteo,

First of all, 710 is a great score. And it's really good that you're trying for a better score. And for that, more than the materials, you have to strategize your prep in the right way. Because no matter how many resources you use, if you don't approach your prep in the right way, you would end up wasting a lot of time and effort. I'm sure you must have done a lot of things right before scoring 710. So, it's just that you have to tweak them a little so that you can understand what's holding you back from getting a 750.

And I can definitely help you strategize your prep. But to do that, I would need a few more details such as how comfortable are you with the concepts, what methods you used to solve questions etc. So, you can always write back to me here or a better way would be to get in touch over a call and discuss the same. So, if you wish to get in touch, you can use the below link to schedule a free consultation call.

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matteo7 wrote:
Hello,

I took the GMAT on July 2018 and scored a 710. However, I am planning to retake it as I my priorities have changed and I want a better score.

I currently have the following guides that I've purchased over the last 2-3 months:

All of the MGMAT guides - 6th Edition
MGMAT Integrated Reasoning & Essay - 7th Edition
MGMAT Advanced Quant
All of the Veritas Prep guides
The 3 PowerScore guides (SC, RC, CR)
The Complete Sentence Correction Guide from Erica L. Meltzer
GMAT Official Advanced Questions

I will also buy the new official guide or guides (all 3 of them) in case I will have to start my preparation.

I would like to ask for any suggestion for guys that have used any of those guides in parallel. What worked best for you and what not?

Thanks everyone in advance.


Consider checking out the gmatclub in house mathguide
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Hi matteo7,

At this point, it would be a good idea to better define your current skills, strengths and weaknesses - so you should plan to take a NEW CAT/mock sometime soon (perhaps this weekend). If you are thinking about taking the At-home version of the GMAT (as opposed to retaking your Exam at a Test Center), then it is worth noting that the 'format' of the At-home Test is fixed (Quant, then Verbal - with no break in-between, then an optional 5-minute break, then IR). Having to take Quant and Verbal in one sitting is challenging for many GMATers (especially if you've been taking your CATs with an 8-minute break between sections). If you want to take the At-home GMAT, then you will have to be really rigorous about how you take your CATs going forward (and take them in the exact same fashion in which you will have to take the At-home GMAT). Once you have Score, you should post back here (or you can feel free to PM me directly) and we can discuss the results and how you might adjust your studies going forward.

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Hi Rich,

With regards to the Online test, is there any difference on how it is perceived by business schools? Moreover, it does not offer a cancellation option.

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You're good to go with the material you have in hand.
you should consider buying Gmat prep tests if you havent already.
other than that , these many books are more than sufficeint.
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In addition to advice regarding materials, do you also want some general advice on how to improve your GMAT quant and verbal skills?



Hello,

thank you very much for your answer!

Yeap, I think that both would be very helpful!


First off you should follow a study plan that allows you to learn linearly, such that you can slowly build GMAT mastery of one topic prior to moving on to the next. Within each topic, begin with the foundations and progress toward more advanced concepts. Following such a plan will allow you to methodically build your GMAT quant and verbal skills and ensure that no stone is left unturned.

Let’s say, for example, you are learning about Number Properties. First, you should develop as much conceptual knowledge about Number Properties as possible. In other words, your goal will be to completely understand properties of factorials, perfect squares, quadratic patterns, LCM, GCF, units digit patterns, divisibility, and remainders, to name a few concepts. After carefully reviewing the conceptual underpinnings of how to answer Number Properties questions, practice by answering 50 or more questions just from Number Properties. When you do dozens of questions of the same type one after the other, you learn just what it takes to get questions of that type correct consistently. If you aren't getting close to 90 percent of questions of a certain type correct, go back and seek to better understand how that type of question works, and then do more questions of that type until you get to around at least 90 percent accuracy in your training. If you get 100 percent of some sets correct, even better. Number Properties is just one example; follow this process for all quant topics.

When you are working on learning to answer questions of a particular type, start off taking your time, and then seek to speed up as you get more comfortable answering questions of that type. As you do such practice, do a thorough analysis of each question that you don't get right. If you got a remainder question wrong, ask yourself why. Did you make a careless mistake? Did you not properly apply the remainder formula? Was there a concept you did not understand in the question? By carefully analyzing your mistakes, you will be able to efficiently fix your weaknesses and in turn improve your GMAT quant skills.

Follow a similar routine for verbal. For example, let’s say you start by learning about Critical Reasoning. Your first goal is to fully master the individual Critical Reasoning topics: Strengthen the Argument, Weaken the Argument, Resolve the Paradox, etc. As you learn about each Critical Reasoning question type, do focused practice so that you can track your skill in answering each type of question. If, for example, you get a weakening question wrong, ask yourself why. Did you make a careless mistake? Did you not recognize the specific question type? Were you doing too much analysis in your head? Did you skip over a keyword in an answer choice? You must thoroughly analyze your mistakes and seek to turn weaknesses into strengths by focusing on the question types you dread seeing and the questions you take a long time to answer correctly.

When practicing Reading Comprehension, you need to develop a reading strategy that is both efficient and thorough. Reading too fast and not understanding what you have read are equally as harmful as reading too slow and using up too much time. When attacking Reading Comprehension passages, you must have one clear goal in mind: to understand the context of what you are reading. However, you must do so efficiently, so you need to avoid getting bogged down in the details of each paragraph and instead focus on understanding the main point of each paragraph. That being said, do not fall into the trap of thinking that you can just read the intro and the conclusion and thereby comprehend the main idea of a paragraph. As you read a paragraph, consider how the context of the paragraph relates to previous paragraphs, so you can continue developing your overall understanding of the passage. Furthermore, as you practice Reading Comprehension, focus on the exact types of questions with which you struggle: Find the Main Idea, Inference, Author’s Tone, etc. As with Critical Reasoning, analyze your incorrect Reading Comprehension answers to better determine why you tend to get a particular question type wrong, and then improve upon your weaknesses. Keep in mind that GMAT Reading Comprehension passages are not meant to be easy to read. So, to better prepare yourself to analyze such passages, read magazines with similar content and style, such as the New York Times, Scientific American, and Smithsonian.

Sentence Correction is a bit of a different animal compared to Reading Comprehension and Critical Reasoning. There are three aspects to getting correct answers to GMAT Sentence Correction questions: what you know, such as grammar rules, what you see, such as violations of grammar rules and the logic of sentence structure, and what you do, such as carefully considering each answer choice in the context of the non-underlined portion of the sentence. To drive up your Sentence Correction score, it is likely that you will have to work on all three of those aspects.

Regarding what you know, first and foremost, you MUST know your grammar rules. Let's be clear, though: GMAT Sentence Correction is not just a test of knowledge of grammar rules. The reason for learning grammar rules is so that you can determine what sentences convey and whether sentences are well-constructed. In fact, in many cases, incorrect answers to Sentence Correction questions are grammatically flawless. Thus, often your task is to use your knowledge of grammar rules to determine which answer choice creates the most logical sentence meaning and structure.

This determination of whether sentences are well-constructed and logical is the second aspect of finding correct answers to Sentence Correction questions, what you see. To develop this skill, you probably have to slow way down. You won't develop this skill by spending under two minutes per question. For a while, anyway, you have to spend time with each question, maybe even ten or fifteen minutes on one question sometimes, analyzing every answer choice until you see the details that you have to see in order to choose the correct answer. As you go through the answer choices, consider the meaning conveyed by each version of the sentence. Does the meaning make sense? Even if you can tell what the version is SUPPOSED to convey, does the version really convey that meaning? Is there a verb to go with the subject? Do all pronouns clearly refer to nouns? By slowing way down and looking for these details, you learn to see what you have to see in order to clearly understand which answer to a Sentence Correction question is correct.

There is only one correct answer to any Sentence Correction question, there are clear reasons why that choice is correct and the others are not, and those reasons are not that the correct version simply "sounds right." In fact, the correct version often sounds a little off at first. That correct answers may sound a little off is not surprising. If the correct answers were always the ones that sounded right, then most people most of the time would get Sentence Correction questions correct, without really knowing why the wrong answers were wrong and the correct answers were correct. So, you have to go beyond choosing what "sounds right" and learn to clearly see the logical reasons why one choice is better than all of the others.

As for the third aspect of getting Sentence Correction questions correct, what you do, the main thing you have to do is be very careful. You have to make sure that you are truly considering the structures of sentences and the meanings conveyed rather than allowing yourself to be tricked into choosing trap answers that sound right but don't convey meanings that make sense. You also have to make sure that you put some real energy into finding the correct answers. Finding the correct answer to a Sentence Correction question may take bouncing from choice to choice repeatedly until you start to see the differences between the choices that make all choices wrong except for one. Often, when you first look at the choices, only one or two seem obviously incorrect. It may take time for you to see what you have to see. Getting the right answers takes a certain work ethic. You have to be determined to see the differences and to figure out the precise reasons that one choice is correct.

To improve what you do when you answer Sentence Correction questions, seek to become aware of how you are going about answering them. Are you being careful and looking for logic and details, or are you quickly eliminating choices that sound a little off and then choosing the best of the rest? If you choose an incorrect answer, consider what you did that resulted in your arriving at that answer and what you could do differently in order to arrive at correct answers more consistently. Furthermore, see how many questions you can get correct in a row as you practice. If you break your streak by missing one, consider what you could have done differently to extend your streak.

As with your Critical Reasoning and Reading Comprehension regimens, after learning a particular Sentence Correction topic, engage in focused practice with 30 questions or more that involve that topic. As your Sentence Correction skills improve, you will then want to practice with questions that test you on skills from multiple Sentence Correction topics.

Lastly, here is a helpful article:

The Phases of Preparing for the GMAT
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Hi matteo7,

At this point, Business Schools all seem fine with the concept of the At-home Exam - and no School or Program has voiced any major concerns about comparing that Score to a traditional result from a Test Facility. There's no way to know if that perspective might change in the future though. All things considered, if you are strong overall applicant who took the At-home GMAT (and scored well on it), then I would assume that a School would not "look down" on your application because you took that Exam.

If you are concerned about keeping Schools from seeing your At-home results, then you do not have to select any Schools to receive that information (unless you choose to grant the Schools that access later on).

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Thank you for your answers!

After having official agreement, I can share you my situation.

I am joining McKinsey as a Business Analyst in 2021. As you see, my goal is to pursue an MBA and the Firm opens the doors to the best business schools. Thus, I do not want my GMAT to be a minus when I will be applying for MBAs. Although I have been exhausted mentally after a long period full of interviews, I am finding the drive to put the work need in order to write a score that would be at least 730 (+20 points from my current one).

I have started with the introduction to GMAT Verbal, as I am a non-native English speaker and I want to refresh the fundamentals.
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Hi matteo7,

Since you are not facing any immediate application deadlines, you can proceed with your studies however you like. That having been said, since it's been so long since you last studied, we really have no idea what your current 'ability level' is right now. As such, I still recommend that you take a FULL CAT/mock sometime soon so that we can make sure that you proceed with your studies in an efficient fashion.

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